patrick.net

clambo says

I'm a United Healthcare customer and I wasn't "mandated" to get the shots.

Likewise. No one was mandated outside of military I suppose. You can just say you got it and lie. HIPPA. Similar to real estate sales and AIDS when that was a bigger thing. Your medical history is just that, yours. Tell them to get fucked. Get fired and go on unemployment and enjoy your time off and milk it for a year. Fuck them. The employer is paying a portion of UE, so you fucked them by telling them to get bent.

Also, I don't condone people dying. Even guys like Fauci. If that's the new norm we have a banana republic. We already had Trump get shot at. If gang bangers and drug dealers want to shoot each other I suppose I don't care. Progress stops when people have to fear for their life. We don't have to agree, but we don't need to kill each other. Whether he was a scumbag or not, he likely was a father, had a wife and kids, etc. You have to be a sick fuck to destroy a family regardless of beliefs.

WookieMan says

Likewise. No one was mandated outside of military I suppose. You can just say you got it and lie.

Not so.

Many millions of people were mandated to take it, and lots of them fired if they did not produce a vaxx card with a lot number and date. For example, everyone at Google was mandated to take it. Same at pretty much every company around here.

Sure, there were people selling fraudulent cards, but the fact remains that simply lying was not enough for millions of people to keep their jobs. They had to show "proof" of getting a death jab.

WookieMan says

If that's the new norm we have a banana republic.

Newsflash: we already have a banana republic where the public can be experimented on by human cockroaches like Pfauci. If he gets away with it, you and all your relatives are nothing but his guinea pigs.

Patrick says

Sure, there were people selling fraudulent cards, but the fact remains that simply lying was not enough for millions of people to keep their jobs. They had to show "proof" of getting a death jab.

So go on unemployment and stick it to them. Take 6 months off while their UI goes up. People need to learn from blacks. Your skills are still your skills. If they don't want them someone else will.

Also no one had the balls to sue. An employer has no rights to my medical records. Public or private. An injection is medical records. If you had AIDS you'd never have to disclose that. Unless it was in the employment contract upfront, the employer has no standing about a vaccine you did or did not take after employment. A new contract would need to be signed.

I'm surprised people were so gullible. And yes this includes my wife against my advice unfortunately. Fortunately only one jab and no boosters. People need to understand law or maybe take a course in it as a side hobby. I was educated daily by an attorney father and talk law with my sister frequently who got her law degree kissing ass. I was on the path to be an attorney and jumped ship. Seeing my wife's pay, it would have been too much work for too little pay. Stupid work at that.

Well, for me, I was already about to retire when the plandemic was unleashed, so it wasn't an issue personally.

My wife said "Nope, no fucking way" after her co-worker Danielle was killed by the vaxx. And no one did force my wife to take it, aside from a twice weekly ritual humiliation of having a stick stuck up her nose for a couple of years to punish her and the other dissenters.

This is not over, not even close to over.

Patrick says

Well, for me, I was already about to retire when the plandemic was unleashed, so it wasn't an issue personally.

My wife said "Nope, no fucking way" after her co-worker Danielle was killed by the vaxx. And no one did force my wife to take it, aside from a twice weekly ritual humiliation of having a stick stuck up her nose for a couple of years to punish her and the other dissenters.

This is not over, not even close to over.

You're in CA though. Even blue IL wasn't bad with covid. I stopped working at the time, but I'd quit if someone told me I had to get a shot. I'd sue them immediately.

Fact is no one stood up for themselves. Not that there weren't people ringing the bull shit bell, but no one did anything. Someone or some company could personally sue Fauci yesterday. They haven't. So I have no faith in this fight going anywhere. And now if Biden pardons Fauci, the game is over. Nothing will happen.

We need to spot this shit before or as it's happening next time. No one is getting anywhere with it when people walking through the Capitol J6 are jailed and obvious lies and crimes are ignored. We need to be in front of the next one. Not chasing it thinking we can do anything.

Plenty of people lost their jobs and livelihood over this shit, all across the US, of course tougher in demonrat states, but ultimately the corporations had a lot of leeway to force or fire one. The posthoc prosecution may not be satisfactory, but we should never forget to point out the assholes who made other people lose their jobs and/or advocated for all kinds of repercussions for purebloods.

mell says

The posthoc prosecution may not be satisfactory, but we should never forget to point out the assholes who made other people lose their jobs and/or advocated for all kinds of repercussions for purebloods.

No one is doing anything though. RFK I guess, but no results. I'm on the same page. My point is don't let it happen again. It will happen. Might not be a virus. Might be something else. Call bull shit when your gut feels it. Don't trust media. Anecdotal is better than anything now. The classic if you see something say something.

Anyone can search my comments at the time. I called bullshit. Was I concerned for a few days/weeks a bit. After that I smelled the bull shit like it was sitting under my computer chair.

Biden instructed OSHA to require the vaxx or have the unvaccinated to jump through hoops for employers of 100 or more.

It was far easier for the employers to simply require the vaxx than administer the work arounds. They preempted anything State or local that would interfere with an employer to mandate the vaxx.

https://www.osha.gov/sites/default/files/publications/OSHA4162.pdf

Look it over if you don't wanna forget.

All kinds of medically related motives, from vaxicide to denying coverage, could account for the shooting. Interpersonal or corporate would be distant second. Maybe el wife-o wanted a cheap quickie divorce and life insurance.

The stock price still went up today.

This looks like a pretty calm business like operation. Almost certainly knew the victim's routine. Went through the trouble of silencer, took extra shots, no nervous movements, etc.

So, over 12 people get shot every weekend in Chicago.

Some rich white dude get whacked and they expect regular people to give a care. I expect to see a lot more of this type of crime going forward.

Also you have to realize wealthy people do shady shit behind the curtain that has nothing to do with their job. He could have been a massive gambler and lost a lot of money. There are people that make $20M that get themselves into trouble. Gambling is a biggie in that realm.

Could have been government as well. I don't think it was some disgruntled person regarding health care. Could have been a higher up employee that got demoted or fired. That seems more plausible as they would know where he's at. There are so many scenarios.

Either way, it looks like the guy got away and probably won't be caught. Another Epstein type thing.

WookieMan says

clambo says

I'm a United Healthcare customer and I wasn't "mandated" to get the shots.

Likewise. No one was mandated outside of military I suppose. You can just say you got it and lie. HIPPA. Similar to real estate sales and AIDS when that was a bigger thing. Your medical history is just that, yours. Tell them to get fucked. Get fired and go on unemployment and enjoy your time off and milk it for a year. Fuck them. The employer is paying a portion of UE, so you fucked them by telling them to get bent.

many employers, especially in HC mandated it.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

many employers, especially in HC mandated it.

I had to get it in order to attend the AWS shindig in Las Vegas that year.

Fortunately, I got the J&J ripoff that was a dud. Kaiser even told me it was and asked for me to come in for the Pfizer Death Jab. I didn't.

I got nat im the hard way a year later. Damn near bought it. Sickest week I ever have had.

WookieMan says

Likewise. No one was mandated outside of military I suppose.

Your ignorance is reflected in this comment. I'm one of the people that was mandated out of a job. My former employer is protected because it wasn't even their mandate - it was the mandate of the health care systems whose facilities I worked at. My employer gave me a nice severance package to ensure that I have no legal standing against them. I had to weigh that package with the possibility that I would be able to successfully sue them at some point in the future - I think I made the right choice.

Conservatively the jab mandates cost me well over a million dollars, so I appreciate you being so glib about it.

stfu says

Conservatively the jab mandates cost me well over a million dollars, so I appreciate you being so glib about it.

You failed then. If it's not in a contract you don't have to do it. It's not glib, it's law. No one can just say you need to eat muffins at work or you're fired let alone inject something into your body. AND you don't have to report your health records.

Sorry you got let go, but I'm 100% correct on this. If it's not in the employment contract you signed, health records are off limits 100%. I don't share my health records with anyone, ever. And I'd never keep a job regardless of pay to be forced to take a jab you didn't agree to. Would you agree to butt sex to keep a job? Nope. I mean what's the difference in any of the scenarios? If it's not in writing, it's not legal. You should have sued and would have won and pay an attorney 30% of probably $5M if you were really going to lose $1M.

Companies have insurance for a reason. You didn't take advantage of it. You took the companies thank god our insurance rates won't go up severance package. Fact remains, you can't be mandated for something not in a contract. If I get 14 days paid vacation and I take 15, I know I'm not getting paid for that 15th day. If I didn't sign a contract about a new vaccine, I legally don't have to take it without a new contract. If they can you, sue 'em. There's a reason there's a lawsuits are the answer thread.

WookieMan says

Either way, it looks like the guy got away and probably won't be caught.

He will be caught soon. He left fingerprints on items he bought from Starbucks and these have been found.

WookieMan says

If it's not in a contract you don't have to do it.

Employment is typically at will. You can be terminated for any reason, or no reason.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Ah, sounds like someone who finally snapped after years of trying to get through the voicemail tree to find out why his claim wasn't paid.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

The real answer is to require that all non-emergency costs be explicitly and completely listed IN ADVANCE OF TREATMENT so that people can shop around, and to limit emergency costs by law to reasonable levels. Any non-emergency charge you did not agree to in writing in advance should be invalid.

The free market can fix this.

Misc says

I expect to see a lot more of this type of crime going forward.

Yes, the obvious corruption of our current system which traps and milks the public into poverty for the benefit of big campaign donors makes it seem inevitable that some individuals will take matters into their own hands.

The legitimate avenues for redress of grievances have been effectively closed off by that corruption. In theory you can get justice, in reality, absolutely not unless you are extremely wealthy.

Part of smashing the Admin State is smashing the bullshit invoices concealed as regulatory compliance, risk avoidance, etc.

If it's taxable, it's negotiable.

Many hospital charges are as obnoxious as "Dealer Prep Fees" at the car lot. Ain't no dealer paid somebody for 80 hours of work in the low teens/hour to clean up one car delivered straight from the factory.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

WookieMan says

If it's not in a contract you don't have to do it.

Employment is typically at will. You can be terminated for any reason, or no reason.

You typically sign an employment agreement at the start of employment. I've never read anything about vaccines or my medical records in what I signed. If you're 1099 you get to do what you want. Large companies and even small all have an employment agreement.

Know your rights and don't be lazy is my advice. Don't just get a shot because you were told to do so.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/05/us-news/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompsons-assassin-may-have-left-message-on-bullets-used-in-murder-sources/

The at-large suspect who gunned down UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside a Midtown hotel may have left a message on the bullets he used to kill the executive Wednesday morning, according to police sources.

The NYPD is investigating the possible message — which appears to include the words “deny,” “depose” and “defend” — engraved on live rounds and shell casings left behind by the masked assassin after he shot Thompson, 50, several times at about 6:46 a.m. before fleeing, the sources said.

The words are possible attacks on the health insurance industry, in which Thompson is one of the most powerful leaders — and strikingly similar to a 2010 book condemning the business.

OK, seems to have been one of the millions of customers fucked over by UnitedHealthcare.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/nemesis-redux-thursday-december-5

UnitedHealthcare’s Chief Executive Officer, Brian Thompson, 50, was assassinated right outside the New York City Hilton around 6am yesterday morning. The whole thing was captured on the hotel’s security camera, and the video leaked even faster than the shell casing story.

The masked shooter, who during the killing calmly and coolly cleared his jammed gun three times before finishing the job, casually mounted a strategically placed, city-provided electric scooter and scooted to Central Park, where the trail went cold. Progressives applauded the gunman’s choice of an environmentally friendly getaway vehicle and invited the killer to emcee next year’s Oscars.

Seriously, the scooter was a smart choice; fast enough to evade cops chasing him on foot and agile enough to weave through Manhattan traffic and use sidewalks, evading vehicular pursuit.

Demonstrating even more environmental sensitivity, the killer kindly left behind in a nearby trash can a Starbucks coffee cup (empty) and a water bottle (empty). So there’s plenty of evidence. Let’s see how long it takes them to arrest someone. ...

There are several suggestive facts. First, United was being probed by the DOJ for antitrust violations and for insider trading, with company officers (including Thompson) having dumped United shares without disclosing the DOJ investigation to shareholders, who could be grumpy. Next, the insurer boasts the highest claims denial rate of any health insurer. Thompson’s widow said he regularly got death threats from people whose claims were denied, who are probably even more grumpy. ...

The evidence most exciting the internet this morning were the cryptic words scratched onto the left-behind shell casings. ABC, whose reporters must have great NYPD connections, broke the bizarre story of the killer’s terse message in brass:

The words "deny, "defend" and "depose" were discovered by detectives on
the shell casings found at the scene where Brian Thompson, the CEO of
major insurance group UnitedHealthcare, was gunned down, police sources
told ABC News late Wednesday evening.

The words suggest some sort of connection to a 2020 book exposing the evils of the insurance industry, titled “Delay Deny Defend--Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It.” The book, which painted insurance companies as soulless monsters, not without reason, is currently rated #1 in “Business Insurance” on Amazon.

As enticing as the shell casing message may be, in truth it adds little by itself. Even if the words etched on the bullets do refer to the book, they could easily be red herrings meant to draw the investigation off the trail. (If the shooter turns out to be the relative of a United insuree who died recently, it would become more meaningful.) ...

I am more interested in the insanely ironic pandemic connection, which doesn’t even need speculation.

💉 I’m not referring to UnitedHealthcare’s controversial “vaccinate or terminate” mandate, which was one of the earliest, requiring employees to be “fully vaccinated” no later than November 30th, 2021. I’m not talking about United’s horrible policy of denying religious exemptions and firing religious employees whose consciences stopped them getting the shots...

I’m not talking about allegations of how United helped the CDC disguise the vaccine injury data or routinely mislabel vaccinated folks as unvaccinated whenever they died post-jab. Nor even United’s grotesque cooperation with the federal government to help push vaccine mandates down the chain, or its offering incentives for jab-pushing doctors to coerce patients into take unsafe and ineffective shots.

Anti-corporate vigilantism. Its time has come. Was it some kind of personal triumph of individual justice against the machine and shooter didn't care what happened to him? He didn't seem to be hiding that much. I think pro assassins would have been more careful.

I've been waiting to hear about the lobbying and feedback corruptions with DC, which would have warranted the Killary approach to the executive if he was turning State's evidence.

Different backpack. Didn't jacket.

But at least there are the correct number of fingers.

Question is, patsy or actual shooter? If it was an 'official' act of termination, then a patsy would be warranted. One pick shows a backpack, the other a military type duffel.

Maybe the shooter is back in Ukraine already waiting for his next job.

Ceffer says

Was it some kind of personal triumph of individual justice against the machine and shooter didn't care what happened to him?

I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this, given the truly extreme corruption of the last few years, with Fauci never being prosecuted for creating the virus in Wuhan and the mass violation of fundamental human rights, like the right to refuse to be part of a medical experiment.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Who is that lower photo of?

Hey @Booger

Think it would be hard to do one of these with Whoopi?

Patrick says

Who is that lower photo of?

David Muir, ABC news apparatchik.

Smart enough to use a scooter and make a clean exit but stupid enough to leave a used cup? Naw, this was a pro and the engraved casings and discarded cups were to throw the cops and public off the trail. No amateur could have methodically shot someone so coldly.