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as a kid, fluoride tablets were largely promoted to prevent caries. When I was about 8, after taking thousands of tablets, I had another tooth with a hole in it. Mom threw the box in the garbage. Years ago I stopped using fluoridated toothpaste, after reading alarming messages. Now, almost 60 years later, the science is catching up. Fluoride is a toxic waste product. Whoever came up with the idea of putting it in the drinking water is probably dead and cannot be held responsible anymore, but it is the highest time to get it back out. I also wonder about the bleach in drinking water. The town water is undrinkable to me, it smells and tastes of bleach. I suppose fluoride is tasteless and odourless. Thankfully most people hereabouts have a well (although that is not an insurance for safe water).
Has the water in Europe been fluoridated? I have to look that up,

No, Belgium does not fluoridate its water supply, though legislation permits it. However, some areas of Belgium have naturally occurring fluoride in their water supplies and bottled waters, and about 40% of the population is exposed to fluoridated salt. Netherlands does not either. France and Portugal do not. Germany stopped in the 1970s. None of the Scandinavian countries nor Austria, Switzerland, Greece or Russia.
Spain does in some areas. 10 % of the UK has fluoridated water. The mayority of Ireland has fluoride added... seems not very popular in Europe..

There are places where there is heavy naturally occurring flouride. You can often tell the people from those places because they have mottled (albeit less cavity prone) brown teeth. I think places in the Southwest have these naturally occurring flouride wells.

https://tdefender.substack.com/p/class-action-lawsuits-kids-fluoride-toothpaste-makers

6 Lawsuits Filed Today Accuse Makers of Children’s Fluoride Toothpaste of Violating Federal Law

Six class action lawsuits filed today accuse major dental product manufacturers of deceptively marketing products containing fluoride to young children and misleading parents.

The lawsuits name children’s toothpaste brands Crest and Colgate/Tom’s of Maine, and the children’s mouth rinse brands Act, Colgate/Tom’s of Maine, Firefly and Hello.

Plaintiffs include parents and caregivers in multiple states, including California, Illinois and New York. In the case of Crest toothpaste, the proposed class is nationwide. The lawsuits were filed in federal courts in California and Illinois.

According to the complaints, the plaintiffs were misled by the product marketing and as a result, didn’t follow public health guidelines when using the products. The lawsuits also allege the companies fail to adequately flag instructions for proper use, as mandated by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

According to the complaints, the companies design their product labels with candy and fruit juice flavors and images and cartoon characters to appeal to young children, often misleading them to think the products are meant to be consumed as food.

https://notthebee.com/article/the-democratic-party-posted-a-list-of-the-things-it-got-done-in-one-day-and-it-reads-like-satire

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/sanity-day-monday-march-10-2025-c

While Florida became the first state last year to recommend against county-level fluoridation, Utah is taking it one toothier step. Last week, Utah Governor Spencer Cox (R) said he will sign a bill banning fluoride from public water systems. “It’s got to be a really high bar for me if we’re going to require people to be medicated by their government,” Governor Cox told ABC4-Utah.

In other words— medical freedom.

Half of Utah already does not fluoridate their public drinking water. Governor Cox said dentists in those counties reported no higher levels of tooth decay than dentists in fluoridated counties. Grocery shelves are flooded with fluoridated toothpaste for anyone who wants it. So why force everyone to drink the chemical, which is not meant to be drunk anyway?

Last September, U.S. District Judge Edward Chen issued an 80-page ruling finding that the evidence — based on 72 different studies — supported a conclusion that fluoride was possibly a neurotoxin associated with IQ loss in children. The EPA, corporate media, and dental associations reflexively dismissed the finding as another conspiracy theory and have never looked back.

Patrick says

Grocery shelves are flooded with fluoridated toothpaste for anyone who wants it.

Yes, and if you need a higher dose, your dentist can write a prescription for special toothpaste.

Or you could just hit your kid in the head with a baseball bat.

Patrick says

Or you could just hit your kid in the head with a baseball bat.

I do not think brushing your teeth and spitting it out gives the same dosage as drinking fluoride in water.

HeadSet says

Patrick says

Or you could just hit your kid in the head with a baseball bat.

I do not think brushing your teeth and spitting it out gives the same dosage as drinking fluoride in water.

Agreed, it's not an issue if you spit it out. That being said, especially young kids and toddlers may tend to swallow bits of toothpaste, so it makes sense to buy fluoride free until they now what they're doing

We eliminated teflon last year. We use stainless steel or cast iron now. The teflon stuff only lasts for a while anyway before the sticky comes back, and with proper oils, it's just not that hard to clean stainless steel or cast iron. They warn you not to use teflon pans around pet birds because the fumes can poison them.

So, how long before the fluoride drains out of our brain and our systems? Dunno. Allegedly, years. I do know that my memory improved when we started drinking filtered water, enough to be noticeable. It's impossible to defeat every current poison the Rockefellers have placed in foods, medicines, water, air and cookware. We can just deal with them one at a time as best as can be recognized.

I have never used toothpaste anyway, just brush and swirl. I never used deodorant, either, (aluminum) except in special cases, but not for many years now.

Ceffer says

They warn you not to use teflon pans around pet birds because the fumes can poison them.

Talk about canary in the coal mine.

Ceffer says

I never used deodorant, either, (aluminum) except in special cases, but not for many years now.

Yes, whatever keeps the landlord from raising the rent. Anyway, I think the aluminum is only in anti-perspirants, not regular deodorant.

HeadSet says

Ceffer says

I never used deodorant, either, (aluminum) except in special cases, but not for many years now.

Yes, whatever keeps the landlord from raising the rent. Anyway, I think the aluminum is only in anti-perspirants, not regular deodorant.

That's a good point, although the two terms are often used interchangeably with the underarm stuff.

Ceffer says

I have never used toothpaste anyway, just brush and swirl. I never used deodorant, either, (aluminum) except in special cases, but not for many years now.

I have been using plain baking soda after my dentist suggestion. Since its slightly base, it avoids bio films created by bad bacteria to form plaques. Tooth paste contains carcinogens like Sodium lauryl sulfate.

Blue says

Ceffer says

I have never used toothpaste anyway, just brush and swirl. I never used deodorant, either, (aluminum) except in special cases, but not for many years now.

I have been using plain baking soda after my dentist suggestion. Since its slightly base, it avoids bio films created by bad bacteria to form plaques. Tooth paste contains carcinogens like Sodium lauryl sulfate.

Yes. Baking Soda is a frequent suggestion. Doesn't taste great, but you don't want the flavorings anyway.

As mentioned, we are moving to Greenville, SC from the greater Rockville/Gaithersburg/North Bethesda Maryland area. The water where we live in in Maryland is so over-chlorinated, that we have to use a Berkey water filter system to improve the taste. A real hassle just to have drinking water. Greenville’s water right out of the tap is quite tasty, by contrast. https://www.greenvillewater.com/water-resources

mell says

Agreed, it's not an issue if you spit it out. That being said, especially young kids and toddlers may tend to swallow bits of toothpaste, so it makes sense to buy fluoride free until they now what they're doing

Their 1st teeth are going to fall out anyway.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

mell says

Agreed, it's not an issue if you spit it out. That being said, especially young kids and toddlers may tend to swallow bits of toothpaste, so it makes sense to buy fluoride free until they now what they're doing

Their 1st teeth are going to fall out anyway.

Right but counter arguments would be to get them used to brushing and to avoid gum infection or other rot. Instinctively I think it's probably fine in most cases to not have them brush and say eat an apple instead for fresh breath while they're little, but even 2 years olds can develop quite nasty breaths. Again fluoride in tap water is much worse IMO than in toothpastes. Tik Tok prob worse for children's IQ

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

The water where we live in in Maryland is so over-chlorinated,

Haven't done it in years, but our water is so over chlorinated. More than when I had the pool. I pee in the laundry sink and when it smells like chlorine I say it's good.

I wouldn't drink our water, ever. Kills your body, but I'd rather drink alcohol over water. You at least get a buzz out of it. Chlorine just kills you with no fun. I don't recall the levels, but our water is more chlorinated than our pool was to keep it clear in the summer. If you have a pool you know that is insane if you test your water.

WookieMan says

I wouldn't drink our water, ever. Kills your body, but I'd rather drink alcohol over water. You at least get a buzz out of it.

Speak the truth, brother.

How Beer Saved the World - 2011 documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcLasNk4i-c

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1832368/

I grew up in the boonies during the 80's. We had a well for our water, no chlorine, we needed a water softener, and had a septic tank and field where the waste went to. The only fluoride we had was in toothpaste and a few times a year at school we did "swish & spit" where they gave us little paper cups of fluoride rinse. So nobody was ingesting the stuff in any real amounts.

The vaccine schedule back then was only a handful of shots. Kids played outside, got more exercise, and ate healthier.

Out of a couple of thousand kids, I don't recall a single one having any allergy severe enough that anyone else had to alter their behavior. No peanut allergies, no egg allergies. Never even heard of gluten back then.

No autism. No "trans". No wave of suicidally depressed kids requiring constant medication. A few problem children with bad attitudes or learning difficulties, 2 retards, and a small handful of gay teens was about the extent of anything even remotely abnormal that I saw.

Times were so, so much better.

Karloff says

Times were so, so much better.

Same as how I grew up. Well with softener. Had the stupid swash and spit fluoride, but didn't drink it at school. Never had a tooth problem in 41 years outside of aligning them with braces.

stereotomy says

Speak the truth, brother.

How Beer Saved the World - 2011 documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcLasNk4i-c

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1832368/

I'll watch this tonight. I don't doubt this at all. Everyone I know my age that is sick doesn't drink. A light beer is essentially water. My pee is clear as can be. I have insomnia but when the rubber needs to meet the road I can work 10 hours straight without anything. Come home and maybe have 32oz of beer.

Fact is Chlorine is bleach. Would anyone drink it? While alcohol is not great, I think it's better than Chlorine by a long shot. I can spill a beer on a black shirt and it doesn't turn white like bleach. So imagine what that does to your gut and organs?

Karloff says

No peanut allergies, no egg allergies. Never even heard of gluten back then.

These allergies are self inflicted because the (bad) medical "recommendation" used to be for the pregnant mother and newborn to avoid esp. peanuts which removed the de-sensibilization effect and created a wave of severe allergies. This is the main cause not toxins, bad food or shots. Best a pregnant woman can do is eat everything and introduce her baby to every food as soon as possible.

So I was not supposed to be merely above average intelligence, but rather I was meant to be a Mensa genius? Except my parents figuratively and literally sold me down the fluoride river, altering the course of my life from evil mega genius to mere mortal?

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

So I was not supposed to be merely above average intelligence, but rather I was meant to be a Mensa genius? Except my parents figuratively and literally sold me down the fluoride river, altering the course of my life from evil mega genius to mere mortal?

Yes.

joggers must drink a lot of water

https://tlavagabond.substack.com/p/exclusive-newly-released-records

Newly Released Records Confirm Houston, Texas is the Largest U.S. City to Stop Water Fluoridation

As the state of Utah and numerous cities end water fluoridation programs, the City of Houston, Texas has quietly become the largest city in the United States to halt the addition of fluoride to the water supply.

According to newly obtained emails between Houston officials, and a confirmed statement from the Public Works Department, the City of Houston has not added fluoridation chemicals to the water supply since at least 2019.

https://tdefender.substack.com/p/north-dakota-towns-effort-end-water-fluoridation-exposes-cdc

When Washburn, North Dakota’s town commissioners decided in January to take up the issue of whether or not to continue fluoridating the water supply for the town’s 1,300 residents, they anticipated researching the risks versus benefits and putting the matter to a vote.

What they didn’t anticipate — but soon encountered — was evidence of a coordinated effort by state actors and a national fluoride lobby group, using federal money, to crush local efforts by small towns like Washburn to stop fluoridating their water supplies.

On Monday night, town commissioners voted 4-1 to stop adding fluoride to Washburn’s water supply — making Washburn the latest in a growing list of communities across the country to end the practice in light of mounting scientific evidence that the chemical harms children’s health and provides little or no dental benefit.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/gifts-and-surprises-friday-may-2

On Wednesday, the Hill ran another remarkable, totally unexpected story headlined, “Florida set to become second state to outlaw fluoride from water supply. The new anti-flouride bill passed both the state’s senate and its house and is now headed for Governor DeSantis’ desk, where it will almost certainly be signed.

Corporate media is completely opposed to canceling the chemical. Yet, nearly all European countries either do not add fluoride to drinking water or have banned it outright. For some reason, that simple fact is absent from the argument here in the U.S. If more people knew that Europe is doing fine without forcibly medicating its citizens, the narrative toothpaste would be out of the tube.

Media, as we know all too well, is utterly useless.

One short year ago, the anti-fluoride argument was a wacky conspiracy theory. Twelve months later, the fluoride banning bill passed both Florida houses by wide margins. I have no idea what the booking odds were, but last summer nobody would have bet that at this point we would be watching Big Fluoride circling the drain.

I'm sure that the Globalists have a good chuckle over their brandy and cigars in their handshake clubs that they feed us rat and insect poison in our water supplies and convince us that it is good for us.

https://tdefender.substack.com/p/florida-second-state-ban-fluoride-public-drinking-water

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis today said he will sign a bill banning the addition of fluoride to public drinking water, making Florida the second state to end the practice. ...

Ladapo also praised the decision. His office last year issued written guidance detailing the latest research showing that exposure to fluoridated water can lead to neurodevelopmental issues in children, including lower IQ. ...

DeSantis’ announcement comes one day before Utah’s fluoride ban takes effect. Utah Gov. Spencer Cox signed a bill in late March that prohibits adding the chemical to the state’s water systems, making Utah the first state to ban water fluoridation.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-163569062?source=queue

One of the most jaw-dropping moments came when Rep. Mike Simpson, a dentist, tried to challenge Kennedy on fluoride—and instantly regretted it.

“We better put a lot more money into dental education because we’re going to need a whole lot more dentists [if we ban fluoride],” Simpson said.

The rebuttal was too easy for Kennedy.

“We now know that virtually all the benefit [from fluoride] is from topical, and we can get that through mouthwashes. We can get through fluoridated toothpastes.”

Then came the line that hit hard:

“The National Toxicity Program issued a report in August, a meta review of all the science that now exists on fluoride, and showed a direct inverse correlation between fluoride exposure dose and lower IQ.”

“Which is an issue that we all have to be concerned with. We want high IQ kids right now,” Kennedy added.

It was great seeing RFK throw the "Emerging Science" card back in their face.

Good News in FL
Ron DeSantis @GovRonDeSantis
Today I was in Dade City to sign SB 700, which among other things, prevents local governments from injecting fluoride into the water supply.

Informed consent—not forced medication—is the Florida way.
https://x.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1923099275635896704

Although fluoride is used industrially in a fluorine compound, the manufacture of ceramics, pesticides, aerosol propellants, refrigerants, glassware, and Teflon cookware, it is a generally unwanted byproduct of aluminium, fertilizer, and iron ore manufacture.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3956646/