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The guy above is either 1. bullshitting 2. highly paid W2 slave.

He's also forgetting to calculate how much Social Security payments will have increased over time due to the absurd
"Cost of Living Adjustment" COLA.

Maybe by the time he is 67 he'll get much more than $3075/month.

On the other hand, it's well known by most people that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, not a true pension.

clambo says

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, not a true pension.

Don't forget "Laundering Ponzi Scheme and Foreign Apparatchik Payroll".

Back in the day people that worked in the SS offices that had a certain level, would be able to issue social security number without any oversight.

Before Tax ID numbers were issued, the SS administration would issue numbers to some foreigners if it was for business. I don't know how, but the people that I knew (and were foreigners) that got them, built credit histories just like regular SS numbers. They were all told NOT to use them for work.

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FDR called it Social Insurance during his fireside chats that were broadcast over the radio.

He intended it to be paid out based on a means test. So you paid into Social Insurance and if you remained rich after age 60 then you did not collect Social Insurance.

I believe he needed a certain amount of Republican votes to approve it, and the Republicans did not support the idea of Social Insurance.

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SS card for foreigners mentions that it’s not for work based on the application.
Need to reapply to get a new card if the status changes.

Soooo, it's been couple of days... Have Musk's geniuses managed to identify actual supposedly 150 yo recipients of SS payments? As in actual money actually going out of US Treasury and into bank account in thr name of supposedly 150 (or, better yet, 369) years old (and long dead) person?

They have the superpower of working on weekends, so there must be some results already.

Where's the receipts, Elon?

RWSGFY says

Have Musk's geniuses managed to identify actual supposedly 150 yo recipients of SS payments? As in actual money actually going out of US Treasury and into bank account in thr name of supposedly 150 (or, better yet, 369) years old (and long dead) person?

Yes, this will kill some credibility unless Elon names them.

Blue says

SS card for foreigners mentions that it’s not for work based on the application.
Need to reapply to get a new card if the status changes.

Not the ones that I saw that were given for "business" purposes. They did tell them not to use them for employment.

“Death field set to false” doesn’t mean that payments are being sent. I’m pretty sure mine is set to false and I don’t get any money, I only pay. Also need to check how many birthdates are entered incorrectly.

Just wait for the Medicare/Medicaid and Civil Servant fake IDs. The question arises why would these identities be there to begin with. The only sanctifying position is bureaucratic incompetency. The other options are laundering, voter fraud foundation, and claims frauds. There is no GOOD explanation for this. These IDs are also useful for generating and financing Gladio soldier (and their payrolls) fake IDs and various Intel legend types, a kind of reserve pool.

Obama Legend's SS number was taken from a guy from the deadrolls.

psychoh says

Hi Patrick. I'm genuinely curious about this—do you think most of these are actually fraudulent payments, or could they be some kind of database artifact or reporting issue (some sources mention COBOL dates, timestamps, etc ... ). Just asking for your opinion as a data guy who has likely has seen lots of data systems.

@psychoh

I think now that those are just the people registered to receive Social Security payments. Some is fraud for sure.

Another day of no proof of actual money paid to "dead" recipients.

RWSGFY says

Another day of no proof of actual money paid to "dead" recipients.

oh yeah boy ? there are more recent examples like the ones below

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/kokomo-woman-raked-in-231k-in-social-security-benefits-while-claiming-dead-husband-was-still-alive/

https://www.fox10tv.com/2025/02/28/mobile-woman-pleads-guilty-social-security-fraud/

https://www.fox10tv.com/video/2024/12/06/dallas-county-man-pleads-guilty-social-security-fraud-case/

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/crime/article/david-lam-mothers-social-security-fraud-20151653.php
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@AD Why do you add a period or comma alone on a line?

Patrick says

AD Why do you add a period or comma alone on a line?

Wondered the same for over a year now. Doesn't bother me, just curious.

I like hearing the Panhandle, FL talk. That's my 2nd home vacation wise.

AD says

RWSGFY says

Another day of no proof of actual money paid to "dead" recipients.

oh yeah boy ? there are more recent examples like the ones below

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/kokomo-woman-raked-in-231k-in-social-security-benefits-while-claiming-dead-husband-was-still-alive/

https://www.fox10tv.com/2025/02/28/mobile-woman-pleads-guilty-social-security-fraud/

https://www.fox10tv.com/video/2024/12/06/dallas-county-man-pleads-guilty-social-security-fraud-case/

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/crime/article/david-lam-mothers-social-security-fraud-20151653.php
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These are not 120-369 y.o. And not from Musk geniuses.

Do some people sometimes get away with getting their deceased relatives' SS payments for couple of years? Sure. But this is not the thing we're talking about. And we didn't need Musk to tell us this, as your links prove.

Please focus.

We are talking about alleged 40 million of SSN accounts registered to 120-369 y.o. people with money being paid out for decades. And this part is not proven yet.

Obligatory:

Eric Holder says

These are not 120-369 y.o. And not from Musk geniuses.

Do some people sometimes get away with getting their deceased relatives' SS payments for couple of years? Sure. But this is not the thing we're talking about. And we didn't need Musk to tell us this, as your links prove.

Please focus.

It's not just Social Security recipients over the age of 100 that Musk is examining.

Musk was just trying to draw attention to how ridiculous the Social Security database is. It's a way to get American taxpayer curiosity as far as wondering how much problems there are beyond just a poorly maintained database.

I believe they are investigating the verification system to ensure that Social Security is not being paid out still to bank accounts of dead recipients.

There are different ways to accomplish this.

Offer a reward to those reporting Social Security fraud, like 10% of any money recovered from those convicted of Social Security fraud.

Almost no different than a qui tam whistleblower complaint.

Granted if there is no electronic or paper trail (I.e., death notices, online obituaries, etc) then it is difficult, as they could have buried the dead recipient in the backyard, etc.

AD says

They won't lose everything, since Social Security can only be garnished 25 percent one check at a time.

Now that the 369 y.o. SS recipient made it into the POTUS speech in the Congress, have Musk finally got up from his Ozempic ass and followed up on at least one case and proven it was real and not a data glitch?

The silence is deafening.

RWSGFY says

"Now that the 369 y.o. SS recipient made it into the POTUS
speech in the Congress, have Musk finally got up from his Ozempic ass and
followed up on at least one case and proven it was real and not a data glitch?"

It is not a data glitch and the proof is staring you in the face. The SS data
base has over 20 million people who are over 100 years old. So what are
you saying? The SS data base has over 20 million glitches?

Also having millions of active SSNs belonging to dead people still in the system allows illegals to use numbers AND other entities to access programs.

Even if the government isn't paying out money to those numbers.

I don't know if they NEED that many identities, but it certainly creates quite a repository for creating legends like Obama and also funneling money to them.

You always see in the spy fictions the spy's secret stashes of money from many countries and a stack of passports with different identities. Also, in detective fiction you have the sweaty guy in the basement with a monocle who can be bribed to give somebody a SS number and name change with credentials to start a new life. I imagine witness protection and other Guv modalities might be doing this, too.

AmericanKulak says

Also having millions of active SSNs belonging to dead people still in the system allows illegals to use numbers AND other entities to access programs.

Even if the government isn't paying out money to those numbers.

Even is social security ain't paying out coin to those numbers, welfare, fraudulent tax refunds and other benefits are going out to them.

https://t.me/SGTnewsNetwork/86545

Misc says

Even is social security ain't paying out coin to those numbers, welfare, fraudulent tax refunds and other benefits are going out to them.

Correct. They're used to access benefits, programs, etc. not even the payouts themselves.

"Gee, how did this 120 year old get a tax break for hiring a refugee/former welfare recipient for DBA Rodriguez Roofing? Is a 120-year old really running a roofing company at that age?"

AmericanKulak says

They're used to access benefits, programs, etc. not even the payouts themselves.

I think fake SSNs also facilitate fake voter registration.

clambo says

The guy above is either 1. bullshitting 2. highly paid W2 slave.

He's also forgetting to calculate how much Social Security payments will have increased over time due to the absurd
"Cost of Living Adjustment" COLA.

Maybe by the time he is 67 he'll get much more than $3075/month.

On the other hand, it's well known by most people that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, not a true pension.

bro our entire economy, our dollars is a ponzi scheme. all pensions and 401k would become worthless without new investors. first 10 years in any retirement plan you paying for previous generations retirement. we live in permanent inflation just so we don’t bankrupt in one year. whole system is pure bullshit.

SS robs people, so that government can borrow the money and give it to their friends. it’s the lowest return pension plan in America.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

SS robs people, so that government can borrow the money and give it to their friends. it’s the lowest return pension plan in America.

There's gonna be a lot of municipal, and State employees that get nothing for their pensions. Just watch what's gonna happen to the pensions in Puerto Rico.

RWSGFY says

Now that the 369 y.o. SS recipient made it into the POTUS speech in the Congress, have Musk finally got up from his Ozempic ass and followed up on at least one case and proven it was real and not a data glitch?

The silence is deafening.

This is even reported during the Birdbrain Biden administration.

https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/1891895227067269464

WHISTLEBLOWER: They were incentivized to qualify illegals for LONG TERM DISABILITY to qualify illegals for Social Security FOR LIFE, “So they were set for life”

“They wanted us to try to identify them in such a way that they would qualify for long-term social security disability. Now long-term social security disability is for life. So if they get identified and qualify for long-term social security disability, they are as good as set up for life”

“That doesn't sound like a refugee to me. Just being honest, that sounds like someone who's planning on staying here.”

“So they instructed us to try to identify, to try to get the client, because once they arrive here, they're now called clients. —So they told us that we needed to talk to the client and ask them if they had any headaches, recurring headaches, or any lower back problems, anything that would qualify them for Social Security Long Term Disability”

“Yes, it is insanity. But in order to get Social Security disability benefits, don't you need a Social Security number? Well, we were instructed in the meeting that one of the first things we were supposed to do was sign them up for Social Security.”

“This is unbelievable. So they come over here and they get a Social Security number. Right. They become legal.

Correct.”

Democrats wanted illegals migrants on PERMANENT social security so they could drain our system and we’d pay for them until the day they die. They’d never have to work a day in their lives in America

Patrick says

WHISTLEBLOWER: They were incentivized to qualify illegals for LONG TERM DISABILITY to qualify illegals for Social Security FOR LIFE, “So they were set for life”

yep, the whistleblower is interviewed explaining about this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmIcTzCP6lM

also from CBNC:

' Republican vice presidential candidate JD Vance, in a Sept. 12 interview on CNBC’s “Squawk Box,” said that first addressing another issue, immigration, could help the programs’ funding woes.

Vance said Social Security and Medicare are facing a “massive fraud problem” because of undocumented immigrants who are collecting benefits, citing what he said were incidents of fraud related to him by some of his constituents and friends.

“Before we start talking about doing anything to the benefits for Americans who have earned them, let’s deal with the illegal alien fraud in our Social Security and Medicare system,” Vance said. “I think that costs us a lot of money.” '

https://patrick.net/post/1381176/2024-04-17-illegals-pushing-up-ssi-costs-asylum

Patrick says

We know they weren't new though. They already existed. Easy to do a name change in court with a dead persons SS#. Boom, you're legal. That's why they didn't remove the dead people. There's no birthday linked to it.

A SS# is for payments and work. Haven't pulled my card out since I was 16. Once you get the number and memorize it, you're golden.

WookieMan says

We know they weren't new though. They already existed. Easy to do a name change in court with a dead persons SS#. Boom, you're legal. That's why they didn't remove the dead people. There's no birthday linked to it.

A SS# is for payments and work. Haven't pulled my card out since I was 16. Once you get the number and memorize it, you're golden.

The illegals will use someone's Social Security number to get a job like their cousin's number.

I'd like to know more what Birdbrain Biden officials did as far as officially administering Social Security numbers to recently arrived immigrants. I'd like to know how much Social Security benefits were paid to them.

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Curing the illegal SS and medicare/medical frauds will result in self deportation because they won't be payrolled any more.