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2025 Feb 27, 9:20pm   3,558 views  227 comments

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Trump negotiated with the Prime Minister of Canada and the President of Mexico for them to assist in cracking down on Fentanyl entering the US. He postponed the 25% tariffs on goods entering the US from these countries for a month.

In Canada the government with its controlled media, whipped up Canadians into an anti-American frenzy. They pushed not buying US products, booed the US national anthem and even had its hockey team attack the US team. Nothing happened to deter the Fentanyl. Whay do you think is going to happen now that the month is up ????

In Mexico, there was a push for cartel friendly laws and a prohibition on using GMO corn (an American product). What the fuck do you think is going to happen ???

Their respective currencies are going to look like toilet paper and that's just the start.

For China. They didn't do anything about the Fentanyl, so they get an extra 10% tariff with the thought of more to come if they don't get a move on.

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150   Robert Sproul   2025 Apr 11, 7:16am  

RWSGFY says

building up domestic manufacturing over several years

Trump doesn't even consider 'gradually', he doesn't have several years.
Also he has seen that anything that takes that long is easily derailed.
151   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 11, 7:34am  

Robert Sproul says


RWSGFY says


building up domestic manufacturing over several years

Trump doesn't even consider 'gradually', he doesn't have several years.
Also he has seen that anything that takes that long is easily derailed.



He has 4 years. (Or had if this shit causes deep recession and the demon rats take the Congress in midterms. Then it will be impeachment hearings 24x7x365 🤡 for the rest of his term).

Also to make shit less derailable it needs to be encoded in laws, not EOs. Look at Obamacare: Donnie has wanted to derail it since 2016 but failed. EOs are fleeting, laws are sticky.
152   Patrick   2025 Apr 11, 9:57am  

https://remnantchronicles.substack.com/p/trump-tariffs-and-trade-offs


The truth of the matter is that decades of open borders policy – for both people and goods – coupled with the benefit of a money printer, have not only put countless American companies out of business and destroyed countless American jobs: they have predictably hollowed out the very core of American culture. Import the Third World – and its cheap goods – get the Third World.

The American nation is sick, poisoned by a cabal of moochers and looters, and to recover what it needs is not positive quarter results for its biggest corporations, but a detox. A real hardcore reset, that will necessarily feel uncomfortable; but is the only way for the American genius to flourish once again.

Often, maintaining civilization requires sacrificing profit and economic efficiencies, and putting the (really) long term before the short and medium term. It is about putting the ethereal and spiritual before the material. Cathedrals were never economic decisions: that’s why their eternal beauty still fascinates us. They were not meant to earn a return for investment, but to make the whole city wealthier – in the true sense of the word – not richer.

We’ve let the merchants and money people lead us for a long time – and yes, initially that resulted in economic growth and even, for a time, cultural greatness. But we paid a price for that. We got rich, but we became shallow. In time the traders, moochers and looters carved out a permanent position at the top for themselves and structured our great Western Civilisation around growth, gains and GDP.

It’s time to take back the reins and put Beauty, Culture and Nation first.
153   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 11, 10:11am  

The spiritual effect of Third Worlders bringing in their anti-Western Colonial gripes in YUGE numbers, coupled with Academia's Critical Race Theory. They gotta go back.
154   socal2   2025 Apr 11, 1:03pm  

RWSGFY says

There are many ways to skin a cat and this particular one makes no sense to me.


No one has ever even TRIED to skin the cat. Just constant lip service from both Republicans and Democrats.

I am personally willing to give Trumpworld some more time and grace over the next month to see what they can negotiate. I have probably felt more pain in my line of work this past week on tariffs than most here at Patnet. We have over $10 million in new orders for infrastructure jobs that are now in limbo and having to be re-bid or even re-designed based on the huge increase in prices from the equipment we manufacture in Europe due to the 10% tariff.
156   stereotomy   2025 Apr 11, 1:58pm  

Booger says





Even if it's fake, I love the concept.
157   WookieMan   2025 Apr 11, 4:21pm  

socal2 says

We have over $10 million in new orders for infrastructure jobs that are now in limbo and having to be re-bid or even re-designed based on the huge increase in prices from the equipment we manufacture in Europe due to the 10% tariff.

Why manufacture it in Europe? I get you probably don't have control over that yourself, but that seems stupid if being honest. Forget Trump, your company could have been tariffed 100% back in December regardless of administration.

We're setting our country up for failure at the whim of other countries that basically have no GDP or influence in the world. Your name is Socal2. You live in CA. What would be the 5th largest COUNTRY on the planet as a state. US is #1. I don't know who 2-4 is. Probably China, Russia and Germany.

Globalism did not work for the US and won't. We're unwinding that now.
158   socal2   2025 Apr 11, 5:02pm  

WookieMan says

Why manufacture it in Europe? I get you probably don't have control over that yourself, but that seems stupid if being honest. Forget Trump, your company could have been tariffed 100% back in December regardless of administration.


Because it is the world's leading technology for this segment that has been around 120 years working out of the same factory. Huge foundry and state of the art facility upgraded over decades, with special metallurgy process that none of our major competitors (European and Chinese) can manage to copy. All of our engineering and IP is there too.

It would be like asking why doesn't Ferrari move its factory to the US.
159   WookieMan   2025 Apr 11, 5:17pm  

socal2 says

It would be like asking why doesn't Ferrari move its factory to the US.

They could though. There's nothing overly complicated for anything produced. One good engineer can figure it out. The dumb ass Chinese do it every day and they're morons. Argument doesn't hold water.
160   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 11, 5:27pm  

socal2 says

RWSGFY says


There are many ways to skin a cat and this particular one makes no sense to me.


No one has ever even TRIED to skin the cat. Just constant lip service from both Republicans and Democrats.

I am personally willing to give Trumpworld some more time and grace over the next month to see what they can negotiate. I have probably felt more pain in my line of work this past week on tariffs than most here at Patnet. We have over $10 million in new orders for infrastructure jobs that are now in limbo and having to be re-bid or even re-designed based on the huge increase in prices from the equipment we manufacture in Europe due to the 10% tariff.


Pfft, you should've opened your own manufacturing facility in the US last week and not have this problem anymore. Just pretend it's WW2 and everything will happen in days instead of years. 🤡
161   HeadSet   2025 Apr 12, 6:31am  

socal2 says

why doesn't Ferrari move its factory to the US.

And anger Ford? That did not work out so well the last time.
162   Fortwaye   2025 Apr 12, 7:38am  

Trump already added exemptions to bunch of industries. it's over, they don't have a reason to bring any jobs to US anymore.
163   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 12, 10:14am  

RWSGFY says


With this immediate 145% tariff idiocy we'll have to deal with massive price inflation and/or shortages. Basically the same shit we endured during the coofdemic.

It'll terminate pricing power more likely. China (and US Outsourcers) will need to make up on volume what they're losing in Tariff expenses.

Again, the Tariff is NOT on the Retail Price. It's what on companies charge themselves for the cost of goods, which is usually a lot lower. An iPhone is probably $100-$200 maximum FOB Long Beach/LAX when imported by Apple. Not +$1000 at the store.
164   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 12, 10:18am  

"Tariffs are bad" - Canada, EU, China with big fat tariffs and NTTB on what we're good at (but 0 on things we don't make or make much of, so the 'average tariff rate' looks falsely low, but it's skyhigh on Dairy, Chicken, etc). And definitely on each other.
165   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 12, 4:24pm  

Aaaand iPhones are exempt from the idiotic 145% levy as of late Friday.

As well as chips, screens and server components.

🤡 world.

But it's good that sanity starts to prevail.

PS. This stupidly botched tariff roll-out is Donnie'e equivalent of Bidet's Afghanistan withdrawal (albeit based on Donnie's "deal"). He's a lame duck now, just like Bidet became on 08/30/2021.
166   AD   2025 Apr 12, 4:39pm  

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Who does this help the most ?

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/12/trump-exempts-phones-computers-chips-tariffs-apple-dell.html

I would put Apple on top of the list, and its stock will likely increase this week. IPhone accounts or around 65% of Apple sales.

Google Play, electronics and hardware sales account for $40 billion (out of a total of $348 billion) in 2024 for Google.

So it should not have much of an impact on Google stock price, though Google Pixel phones are about 6 to 8% of smart phones in the world.

I don't think the recent tariff news played in much on Google as far as Chromebook sales. I saw at Walmart and Amazon that Chromebook prices were still cheap, and also the ONN Android tablets were still cheap at Walmart.

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167   EBGuy   2025 Apr 12, 5:21pm  

Probably the best video primer on the topic
Why Trump's tariff chaos actually makes sense (big picture)



Here's a third party who posted it to Rumble

original link
168   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 12, 5:35pm  

RWSGFY says

Aaaand iPhones are exempt from the idiotic 145% levy as of late Friday.

Sure. We don't have the infrastructure in place for now.

What was great was the end of the de minimus onslaught of cheap Shein crap.
169   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 12, 5:37pm  

RWSGFY says


Pfft, you should've opened your own manufacturing facility in the US last week and not have this problem anymore. Just pretend it's WW2 and everything will happen in days instead of years. 🤡

Ford and GM open plants in third world countries in months.

Time to end anemic GDP growth rates. Free Trade demonstrably failed to enhance the general welfare.

The chalkboard theory is inferior to empirical reality. Economists are Vegans of Social Science, wrong but still at it. They are notorious for missing massive swings and changes until after the fact.

No more Panican Americant
171   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 12, 7:07pm  




Should not be taken literally, of course, but rather as a methaphor for the BBT.
173   WookieMan   2025 Apr 13, 11:14am  

AD says

I saw at Walmart and Amazon that Chromebook prices were still cheap, and also the ONN Android tablets were still cheap at Walmart.

Because they're trash. No computing power or RAM. Tracking everything you do. Even if cheap it doesn't mean they're safe or good.
174   AD   2025 Apr 13, 12:05pm  

WookieMan says

AD says


I saw at Walmart and Amazon that Chromebook prices were still cheap, and also the ONN Android tablets were still cheap at Walmart.

Because they're trash. No computing power or RAM. Tracking everything you do. Even if cheap it doesn't mean they're safe or good.


Try "Incognito" mode. It works very fast on Chromebook and on Android tablets.

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175   HeadSet   2025 Apr 13, 1:00pm  

WookieMan says

AD says


I saw at Walmart and Amazon that Chromebook prices were still cheap, and also the ONN Android tablets were still cheap at Walmart.

Because they're trash. No computing power or RAM. Tracking everything you do. Even if cheap it doesn't mean they're safe or good.

A sub $200 Chromebook at Walmart still has 4gig of RAM, a 64gig SSD, WiFi-6, High-Def screen, dual mics, web cam, decent speakers for a laptop, and an Intel processor. That is way more than what is needed for those who do everything in their browser such as zoom meetings, email, Google Docs, streaming movies. Amazon shopping, or reading Patnet. Besides, you missed the point - AD was giving an example about how the price of low-end Chromebooks did not suddenly increase despite the tariffs and being made in China.
176   WookieMan   2025 Apr 13, 1:13pm  

HeadSet says

4gig of RAM

I need way more than that. I have 64gig of RAM currently and still not happy but it's an older machine. Close to update time.

HeadSet says

AD was giving an example about how the price of low-end Chromebooks did not suddenly increase despite the tariffs and being made in China.

I'm not going to chase down a comment and quote it, but I've said the same thing in other threads. Tariffs are unlikely to raise prices. The worst case is you see less of stuff you didn't need anyway on the shelf or online. Who cares? Most of it was trash anyway.
177   Fortwaye   2025 Apr 13, 3:15pm  

i get by plenty on 16gb of ram, i’m not doing much with it. only annoyance is all sowtware companies trying subscription, and i don’t want those. it’s harder to just get normal one time pay stuff.
181   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 13, 8:50pm  

HeadSet says


A sub $200 Chromebook at Walmart still has 4gig of RAM, a 64gig SSD, WiFi-6, High-Def screen, dual mics, web cam, decent speakers for a laptop, and an Intel processor. That is way more than what is needed for those who do everything in their browser such as zoom meetings, email, Google Docs, streaming movies. Amazon shopping, or reading Patnet. Besides, you missed the point - AD was giving an example about how the price of low-end Chromebooks did not suddenly increase despite the tariffs and being made in China.

AD says


Try "Incognito" mode. It works very fast on Chromebook and on Android tablets.

Yeah, back when websites with Facebook was more prevalent, sending facebook to null made the internet SO much faster.

In any case, for just making video calls, checking email, watching youtube, and surfing, it's good enough.
183   AD   2025 Apr 13, 11:53pm  

WookieMan says

I'm not going to chase down a comment and quote it, but I've said the same thing in other threads. Tariffs are unlikely to raise prices. The worst case is you see less of stuff you didn't need anyway on the shelf or online. Who cares? Most of it was trash anyway.


I heard the same such as on Marketplace on NPR, which is that there will be a limited supply of goods as the tariffs will cause certain goods to not be on the store shelves.

But China could send a $150 Chromebook to Vietnam which then adds another $20 to the price and then turnaround and sell it to the USA.

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184   RWSGFY   2025 Apr 14, 6:39am  

AD says

WookieMan says


I'm not going to chase down a comment and quote it, but I've said the same thing in other threads. Tariffs are unlikely to raise prices. The worst case is you see less of stuff you didn't need anyway on the shelf or online. Who cares? Most of it was trash anyway.


I heard the same such as on Marketplace on NPR, which is that there will be a limited supply of goods as the tariffs will cause certain goods to not be on the store shelves.

But China could send a $150 Chromebook to Vietnam which then adds another $20 to the price and then turnaround and sell it to the USA.

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.... thus defearing the whole purpose of this current Donnieʼs covfefe. 🤡
185   WookieMan   2025 Apr 14, 6:51am  

AD says

But China could send a $150 Chromebook to Vietnam which then adds another $20 to the price and then turnaround and sell it to the USA.

Certain specific items will go up for sure. Not you but users misinterpret my comments here. It's the unnecessary stuff that will just disappear. So technically prices will go down.

I also don't care about prices to be honest. I don't consume much. Beer is my biggest beef, but at $20/mo more it doesn't move me. Eggs don't bother me and my boys eat a dozen every 2 days.

Biggest mistake is people getting into bad careers or those that have a set salary and doesn't keep up with inflation. I did real estate as my first real job in 2004. I could work more and make more. 7am-2am was common. Then in 2012 when things started making a real turn I worked less and made more. I studied to be a teacher and I'm glad I pulled out of that path.

Basically I worked hard to get to a place where a Chromebook even cost $1k, I don't care. I know it hurts others, but at some point people need to lift themselves up.
186   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 14, 2:56pm  

AD says

But China could send a $150 Chromebook to Vietnam which then adds another $20 to the price and then turnaround and sell it to the USA.

Too difficult to do. Easily checked. Also would endanger any Vietnamese Trade deal, it's sure to be in there. Re-export is not that easy.
187   Fortwaye   2025 Apr 14, 3:42pm  

AmericanKulak says

AD says


But China could send a $150 Chromebook to Vietnam which then adds another $20 to the price and then turnaround and sell it to the USA.

Too difficult to do. Easily checked. Also would endanger any Vietnamese Trade deal, it's sure to be in there. Re-export is not that easy.


perfectly legal
188   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 14, 5:45pm  

Fortwaye says


perfectly legal

It's is, if you want to pay a fine or higher tariff. The origin is what matters. It's also trivial to open a chromebook at look at the parts and ID the origin physically.

https://www.cbp.gov/trade/rulings/informed-compliance-publications/marking-country-origin-us-imports
189   Fortwaye   2025 Apr 14, 7:41pm  

AmericanKulak says

Fortwaye says



perfectly legal

It's is, if you want to pay a fine or higher tariff. The origin is what matters. It's also trivial to open a chromebook at look at the parts and ID the origin physically.

https://www.cbp.gov/trade/rulings/informed-compliance-publications/marking-country-origin-us-imports


origin is last major modification. that’s why everything is cheap at import… it’s parts low value.

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