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2025 Apr 14, 2:16pm   5,261 views  406 comments

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Media Bias Continues


El Salvador won’t return wrongly deported Maryland man
https://x.com/politico/status/1911819797651747093

Natch, he's an illegal alien with no residency, citizenship, or visa.

Bukele is keeping him in El Salvador, I heard he's actually in jail on El Salvadorian charges.

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239   WookieMan   2025 May 3, 4:55pm  

DeficitHawk says

I just want people to get a chance to stand in front of a judge and get a judges order before the administration carries out a deportation/incarceration.

Why? It's not hard to provide a birth certificate. Everyone gets one or can call the hospital and get a duplicate. That was his due process. Or have records of gaining citizenship. He clearly had neither. The left needs to move on from this. Digging a hole with no ladder is what you're doing.

You don't get due process if you're not a legal citizen. He went to court and could not prove citizenship. Was in a violent gang. Even if wrong he's got to go. Sorry. Don't do illegal shit like beat a woman. I'd send ass holes like that who are US citizens to El Salvador without due process. Fuck 'em.
240   stereotomy   2025 May 3, 5:18pm  

Whattabout murder?
Whattabout violations of Habeas corpus not seen since the 1860's?

Is that the only defense? - "I don't care or acknowledge this because it doesn't futher my narrative?"

Yes complain you're being dismissed while dismissing all contrary views.

Pfft.
241   DeficitHawk   2025 May 3, 5:23pm  

WookieMan says

It's not hard to provide a birth certificate.

Its not hard, i agree. The point is I dont want the arresting officer, or whomever is in charge of enforcement of the law to ALSO be the decider of guilt and the decider of the sentence. That should be done by a judge. That is the due process that SHOULD have happened.

None of this is hard at all. Go to the judge, make the case, get a decision, follow the decision. Not hard.
242   DeficitHawk   2025 May 3, 5:27pm  

WookieMan says

You don't get due process if you're not a legal citizen

You keep saying this, but you are wrong. What you are saying is untrue. Ive cited the supreme court decisions, and quoted the relevant text from them. Dont read them if you dont want to... but it wont change the fact.

Due process IS afforded to non citizens, even if illegal. Only exceptions are around people in the process of entry, "Arriving" immigrants can be turned away without due process.

This individual had been here many years. He was not "arriving"... he was "already here". He IS entitled due process, and the supreme court has ruled so in many cases!

Please stop repeating a falsehood!!
243   DeficitHawk   2025 May 3, 5:34pm  

stereotomy says

Whattabout murder?

This is a thread called "Maryland man".

I really can not keep up with 100 random people's whattaboutisms on the various topics they each individually care about. If you want to discuss with me here, discuss the topic at hand.

If you want to discuss a different topic, go make a thread about it.
244   WookieMan   2025 May 3, 5:38pm  

DeficitHawk says

This individual had been here many years. He was not "arriving"... he was "already here". He IS entitled due process, and the supreme court has ruled so in many cases!

He had been in front of judges before. Not sure your point. Gang member, spouse beater and probably more. I don't want him here. Do you? He wasn't here legally. I don't care what some lower court judge said. If I go to France and get caught punching a woman, what do you think is going to happen if I'm not a citizen? Goodbye. That's how every country does it.

Question. Honest answer please. You think this guy was good for American society? He wasn't a citizen. Move on from it dude.
245   stereotomy   2025 May 3, 6:23pm  

DeficitHawk says

I really can not keep up with 100 random people's whattaboutisms on the various topics they each individually care about.

Boo hoo - I whattabout people who start the whole whattabout shit. Don't like the shoe on the other foot? How quaint and entirely predictable of you.
246   MolotovCocktail   2025 May 3, 7:30pm  

DeficitHawk says

Oh come on. This is a BS argument. WE are in a contract with el salvador where we pay them to incarcerate the people we bring them. Are you seriously going to act like the us administration didnt want the people we brought them incarcerated and intentionally arrange for that outcome?


Who cares? It all falls under FOREIGN POLICY - which no judge has any authority on, period.

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247   MolotovCocktail   2025 May 3, 7:33pm  

DeficitHawk says

Due process IS afforded to non citizens,


Deportation is an administrative procedure, not a criminal one. The level of due process deportees get is a lot less as a result.
248   MolotovCocktail   2025 May 3, 7:39pm  

DeficitHawk says

Im anti woke and anti dei.

As for keeping your own money... well, my user name is deficit hawk.... I think we need to balance our taxes against our expenditures to be fiscally responsible.. so we cant keep all of our own money without running up the deficit, which I oppose.


Sure you are.
249   HeadSet   2025 May 3, 8:31pm  

Unfortunately, DeficitHawk is correct on the current due process rules. Unless an illegal was issued an Expedited Removal Order by Customs and Border Protection officers at the border, airports and other ports of entry while trying to enter the US without the proper documentation or who lied or used fraudulent documents when trying to enter the US, the illegal has to go before a judge. The left pushes this not because of any love for due process or fear of loss of civil liberties, they love it because it provides an effective bottleneck on removing the millions of illegals that Biden allowed to cross and even illegally flew in. Putting these millions or illegals before a judge means that most will die of old age before any court date. Even those relative few who will hit a court date and get a deportation order can delay through appeals. Biden's handlers effectively sold out the country by flooding us with unvetted millions in order build a Dem vote base. These illegals were not even required to get the vaxx as was required by anyone entering the country legally.

The best thing Trump can do is seal the border. Next is encourage the illegals to self deport. Start by removing any public assistance whatsoever to illegals. No driver's licenses or permits of any kind. Then a serious fine for anyone hiring an illegal. Also need voter ID and laws against non-citizens voting. Increase the number of immigrations judges and expedite the deportation orders, starting with illegals who commit further crimes after entering the country.
250   Misc   2025 May 3, 8:51pm  

We on Patrick.net call them illegals because that is what they are. However, in legalese the majority are in the country legally by claiming that they are seeking asylum. The illegals have been thoroughly coached by the Biden administration, NGOs and church groups.

They have been embedded into systems that are paid for by the taxpayers. Those that wanna work do, while also getting the benefits of a 1st world nation.

Most vacation back to the countries they are supposedly persecuted in.

The whole situation is a complete farce and a massive fraud upon the US citizens.

I support Trump in his endeavors to rectify this FRAUD.
251   MolotovCocktail   2025 May 3, 9:06pm  

HeadSet says

Unfortunately, DeficitHawk is correct on the current due process rules. Unless an illegal was issued an Expedited Removal Order by Customs and Border Protection officers at the border, airports and other ports of entry while trying to enter the US without the proper documentation or who lied or used fraudulent documents when trying to enter the US, the illegal has to go before a judge.


Then explain how tens of millions of illegals were deported by Clinton, Bush and Obama.
252   WookieMan   2025 May 3, 9:28pm  

Misc says

They have been embedded into systems that are paid for by the taxpayers. Those that wanna work do, while also getting the benefits of a 1st world nation.

Most vacation back to the countries they are supposedly persecuted in.

Bingo. I pay for it. I'm sure most here do as well I think. Nothing about race or anything. When a US citizen has to get notarized documents to bring a family member in and out of the country that has a different skin color than me, illegals can get fucked. I don't get due process.

We get accused of trafficking my nephew domestically and internationally. It's a pain in the ass since my SIL is a dip shit. We have to drive an hour round trip to get notarized documents because she can't drive and mail it. We need the address of the hotel and the dates. So I have to draft a document anytime we travel with him. Where the hell is my due process and why the profiling of a white family with a black kid. Get fucked.

You're here illegally. Get the fuck out. I was handed a situation I didn't want but would do it for any of my nephews or nieces. I don't beat my wife. I'm sorry, but you won't get any sympathy about due process from me. Kick their asses out. If they made an accident, file forms and do what you have to and get back to the US. Prove you're a legal citizen. If you can't goodbye.
253   DeficitHawk   2025 May 3, 9:50pm  

Misc says


However, in legalese the majority are in the country legally by claiming that they are seeking asylum


Many are.

Asylum is not a constitutional right. Its a law that was passed by congress because people wanted it that way. YOU may not like that we have asylum laws, but we do have them.

IF congress wants to change the laws, they can change it. But as long as the laws are what they are, we should follow them.

Do you think the administration should not follow laws it does not like?

Edit: Actually I should correct myself... Congress can change the asylum laws, but asylum is part of the UN conventions that we are signatories of... so whatever they change the laws to would still need to comply with UN conventions. Of course we can withdraw from the UN conventions if we want to. (I dont want to.)
254   DeficitHawk   2025 May 3, 10:04pm  

WookieMan says


Honest answer please. You think this guy was good for American society? He wasn't a citizen. Move on from it dude.

I want immigration standards that exclude immigrants who have committed crimes either in our country or their home country. It is our right to do so and I agree with it.

And I think we should follow the laws we have, and follow due process to enforce them.
255   Misc   2025 May 3, 10:04pm  

DeficitHawk says


Do you think the administration should not follow laws it does not like?


We have long passed from being a nation of laws. There has been a huge fraud committed against the people of the US. Most of these Millions upon millions of asylum requests are bogus. The court dates to finalize the seekers status are literally 10 years into the future. The previous administration did that knowingly and wittingly. The only way to keep this nation from turning into a shithole country like the illegals came from is to persecute them. Better the ones that are here illegally and for bogus reasons than subjecting the citizens of the US to the shit the migrants bring with them. If it takes putting a few 100k of them into a prison in El Salvador to get the rest to self-deport and for others not to come. I am for it.
256   mell   2025 May 3, 10:07pm  

@Patrick this thread disappeared from my list view after I pushed some key combo while viewing/commenting on it. I can still interact if I find a link/comment to this thread but am curious how it vanished from the Thread overview (main view).
257   mell   2025 May 3, 10:11pm  

Good argument by constitutional scholar for an invasion, hence habeas corpus is not applicable here: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/squatter-syndrome-how-inefficiencies-our-legal-system-are-making-mockery-our-immigration
258   Patrick   2025 May 3, 10:13pm  

@mell

The author of the thread, AmericanKulak, is on your ignore list. To unignore him, click your own icon, then "edit profile" in upper right, then at the bottom of that edit profile page, under "ignored users", click his name.
259   PeopleUnited   2025 May 3, 10:17pm  

Justice for illegals is deportation.

Justice for Americans is deportation of illegals.

It is that simple.

Let’s not cry about due process. Let cry about the fact there are STILL way too many illegal aliens in this country. We need justice, now!
260   DeficitHawk   2025 May 3, 10:25pm  

PeopleUnited says

Let’s not cry about due process.

So just accept that the ends justify the means? Do you agree to give this power to an administration you DONT support?

Don't be to quick to compromise your rights.
261   Patrick   2025 May 3, 10:38pm  

The power to instantly deport illegals? Yes.
262   Misc   2025 May 3, 10:39pm  

DeficitHawk says

PeopleUnited says


Let’s not cry about due process.

So just accept that the ends justify the means? Do you agree to give this power to an administration you DONT support?

Don't be to quick to compromise your rights.


We're not in favor of giving up our rights, Just those rights granted to the illegals that were obtained fraudulently.
263   DeficitHawk   2025 May 3, 10:50pm  

Patrick says

The power to instantly deport illegals? Yes.

The power declare someone 'illegal', and incarcerate them in a foreign gulag where they can not have the opportunity to contest their classification as illegal..
264   Patrick   2025 May 3, 11:07pm  

There is rarely any reasonable doubt as to whether a criminal alien is indeed a criminal alien.

If you were born here, you have a birth certificate and maybe a passport, a long paper and digital history as an American, and you speak English like an American.
265   DeficitHawk   2025 May 3, 11:10pm  

Misc says

We're not in favor of giving up our rights, Just those rights granted to the illegals that were obtained fraudulently.

I get it. You don't think immigrants should have due process. I think they should. We dont agree.

I doubt i will convince you to agree with me. The supreme court agrees with me. I'll have to accept that as a consolation prize.
266   DeficitHawk   2025 May 3, 11:17pm  

Patrick says

There is rarely any reasonable doubt as to whether a criminal alien is indeed a criminal alien.

If you were born here, you have a birth certificate and maybe a passport, a long paper and digital history as an American, and you speak like an American.


The whole point of having due process in our constitution is that we don't always trust the motives and diligence of the people doing the enforcement.. Due process is simply to have an outside party check the facts, and compare them to our laws. As you say, the facts themselves are typically not hard verify.

The constitution is meant to allow us to live with some reasonable confidence that our rights will be respected no matter if we trust the administration or not.
267   Patrick   2025 May 3, 11:18pm  

I don't trust the motives of the people complaining.

The goal of far-left extremists' newfound love of "due process" is:

- to get more far-left Congressional representation because the census counts criminal aliens in allocating representatives
- to get more illegal votes from criminal aliens, as proven by the shrill resistance to even basic citizenship checks on voters
- to keep fucking American workers by making them compete with the 3rd world for jobs on American soil
268   DeficitHawk   2025 May 3, 11:33pm  

Patrick says

I don't trust the motives of the people complaining.

You don't have to trust my motives. You just have to comply with the laws and the constitution. Its why we have them.
269   Misc   2025 May 3, 11:49pm  

DeficitHawk says


I doubt i will convince you to agree with me. The supreme court agrees with me. I'll have to accept that as a consolation prize.


You willing to have the illegals pay for the benefits that they fraudulently obtained or the costs born by US citizens?????

The 13th amendment doesn't outlaw slavery. It states when it is applicable. About 1/3 of the prison population is illegals. Make them pay for the costs of their incarceration and for victim restitution. For those whose asylum claims are denied, have them pay for all social benefits (section 8 housing, medicaid, and other welfare benefits. Then add in the costs for their children (about $1200 per month for schooling when transportation is included) and add in some societal costs because US citizens (Blacks mostly) have their kids in public schools where English isn't the primary language. They and their children can pay for all this through a period of slavery before getting kicked out of the country.

You up for that ???? or as I figure your Username is simply a fiction.

That way US corporations can compete against Chinese companies on price.
270   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 May 4, 12:10am  

DeficitHawk says


The power declare someone 'illegal', and incarcerate them in a foreign gulag where they can not have the opportunity to contest their classification as illegal..

How about sending them back to their country of origin, their total inability to show ANYthing regarding legal residency or permission to be here prima fracie evidence. If they disagree, they can Zoom call into a hearing in the US from their country of origin.

I think being in the country for 14 or 17 years on a student visa and having completed NO degree while engaging in political activism, mysterious endless tuition funds, and connections with a foreign political group is evidence on it's own. Deport first, they can fight it from Amman, Jordan.
271   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 May 4, 12:15am  

DeficitHawk says

So just accept that the ends justify the means? Do you agree to give this power to an administration you DONT support?

Yes and Yes.

I have no problem deporting people who can't prove they have ANY permission to be here at all. Not even a tourist stamp in a passport that was exceeded years ago, nothing. Again, we have the internet and people in 4th world countries have Smartphones and Democrats were fine with virtual hearings during COVID and still are today, not just for administrative hearing (which deportation hearings are) but CRIMINAL cases.

I have no problem with Democrats just deporting a foreign national who cannot show one iota of evidence they are legally here.
272   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 May 4, 12:18am  

DeficitHawk says

You don't have to trust my motives. You just have to comply with the laws and the constitution. Its why we have them.

The motive is to keep illegals and overstays here by requiring hearings, many of which will be in urban blue areas, but even if they aren't, the sheer volume will de facto keep them here years longer due to the case load.

Nope, this is an Administrative Process, they are not accused of a crime.

We don't need to have a hearing before police can escort teenagers off the factory property, regardless of whether they had spray paint or not, and don't need to wait for a judge to agree they were trespassing. They don't even need to be charged or so much as detained AT ALL. Just escorted off the property.
273   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 May 4, 12:19am  

Another example: You are stopped by the police and have no license, registration, or insurance documentation.

Your car can and will be impounded. Yes, you will get a hearing at a later date if the police are nice enough not to arrest you on the spot.

So, Illegals with no documentation can simply be sent back home and have their hearing via ZOOM.
274   WookieMan   2025 May 4, 12:27am  

Misc says

We're not in favor of giving up our rights, Just those rights granted to the illegals that were obtained fraudulently.

This is the main point. You are not allowed due process. If you file the paperwork for refugee status fine, but that's not the case. He went to court for a crime. Sorry but you're gone as a woman beater even if with the correct paperwork. Which I believe he didn't even have. He's the legit definition of an illegal immigrant criminal.

Two laws that in my book that should result in immediate removal. Also note, it's just removal to country of origin outside of Venzuela so far. You go home. Home is not your neighbors house uninvited. Someone sneaks into your house while you're on a one week vacation, do you let them stay? That's what you're arguing Deficit. So I have to live with this person for due process? Nope, get the hell out.
275   PanicanDemoralizer   2025 May 4, 12:32am  

WookieMan says

Home is not your neighbors house uninvited. Someone sneaks into your house while you're on a one week vacation, do you let them stay? That's what you're arguing Deficit. So I have to live with this person for due process? Nope, get the hell out.

You'll have to accept him in your home until a judge orders that it is indeed your home about 3 months from now. All costs borne by you
276   yawaraf   2025 May 4, 12:59am  

DeficitHawk,

I hope you stick around, I appreciate that you answer all pertinent questions.

The courts concluded that he was an illegal alien, but you have pointed out they did not issue a deportation order. I am not at all familiar with immigration laws. Is a deportation order a mere technicality or are there some reasons for which an illegal might not be deported?

If a deportation order must follow after establishing an alien's ineligibility to stay, why was it not issued?
277   WookieMan   2025 May 4, 1:03am  

DeficitHawk says

The whole point of having due process in our constitution

They're not part of our constitution. They don't have rights. Unless they filled out proper paperwork, no due process is necessary. We are just moving them back home. Not harming them either.

We have processes to enter. I don't believe "Maryland Man" did anything. There's no due process needed if he cannot provide credentials/ID/paperwork. He took a risk, beat his lady and should leave.
278   WookieMan   2025 May 4, 1:11am  

yawaraf says

If a deportation order must follow after establishing an alien's ineligibility to stay, why was it not issued?

As you said he went to court and was deemed an illegal alien. We flew him back home at tax payer costs. What did this administration do wrong or illegal? He broke a couple of laws that we know of.

This isn't some guy that crossed the Rio and picks crops, goes home to his wife and kids and has a family. I don't have a problem really with those types, but they still broke our laws. They're not going to deport that type for now. Get the criminals out. They did. Kudos. Not sure why anyone would be against this. He's not an American citizen. And I don't care about international treaties. This is our country. I pay massive taxes. Get the shit out of here.

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