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https://www.rt.com/news/618616-trump-bill-pork-abomination/

Pork-filled disgusting abomination – Musk on Trump’s ‘big beautiful bill’Pork-filled disgusting abomination

Trump’s centerpiece bill narrowly passed in the House of Representatives last week and will need to go before the Senate. The legislation aims to prevent an end-of-year tax increase and raises the limit on the already staggering US debt by a further $4 trillion.

Musk, who recently stepped down as head of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), has repeatedly criticized the bill, claiming it compromises his efforts to trim the fat off the federal budget.

“I'm sorry, but I just can’t stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous, pork-filled Congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination,” he wrote on X on Tuesday.

“Shame on those who voted for it: you know you did wrong. You know it,” he added.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1929954109689606359

Patrick interesting thing about debt. just personal opinion, it always correlates with some wars. without wars it’s usually mellow.

and somehow it gets twisted into blaming social security for it. i just think we are constantly lied to and nation is heavily controlled by military complex.

Fortwaye says

And Russia is more than happy to remind us.

And we are happy to remind them they just lost 1/3 of their strategic bombers to a country w/o an air force.

that’s unrelated nor affects our debt

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1929954109689606359

It's like when you go to a lawyer to 'plan' your bankruptcy (most bankruptcies are for relatively minor amounts). However, a lot of crook types plan their bankruptcies far into the future. They tell you to exhaust all your credit sources to the max, max out your credit cards etc. etc. to buy stuff you may need for the interim or that can be liquidated later, and how to hide assets or protect them beyond the reach of the bankruptcy, or just because you can since you will be in the same boat no matter what.

As long as there is a Babylonian willing to extend the debt slavery from their funny fake money printing presses, then fuck them, they'll never get their fake money back again. It was NEVER about legitimate debt to begin with, it was about control, intimidations, and criminal extortions.

I say go for it and get the biggest, meanest budget you can, because Trump clearly has a plan for the impending official bankruptcy. No reason to destabilize things until then.

Most of these 'billionaires' and 'billionaire officers of the Global elite' touted for effect on the agog, drooling, knuckle dragging pop populace don't technically 'own' much of anything. They control trusts or they are the beneficiaries of somebody's else's trusts who control them. As a control grid, much of their 'worth' can be snatched back to the control grid trusts in short order if they don't obey.

Patrick says

Funny from a guy who voted for the 2023 Budget Buster to give Biden a big spendola in his final year of his term.

Fortwaye says

that’s unrelated nor affects our debt

The whole Russia with their propaganda outlets is unrelated to anything in the US and should be told to go fight fires at their airfields and repair their falling bridges. 👹

RWSGFY says

Fortwaye says

that’s unrelated nor affects our debt

The whole Russia with their propaganda outlets is unrelated to anything in the US and should be told to go fight fires at their airfields and repair their falling bridges. 👹

i literally don’t care if they drown in borscht over there. i don’t want more reckless debt passed by congress. assholes can’t even close carried interest loophole.

us working people pay all the taxes, while tax system is so unfair that some billionaires pay nothing and they openly brag about it.

For those saying do separate bills, each would then require 60 votes (needing Schumer) instead of 50. Reconciliation is a special process each fiscal year where you can make fiscal changes with 50 votes. That’s why BBB is the vehicle for tax cuts, deportations and welfare reform.

https://x.com/StephenM/status/1930060829552001194

Hey, why did 13,14 year legislators like Massie and especially Rand "Forget" to mention that fact? Are they that incompetent at their jobs?

Anybody honestly believe the Senate could get 60 votes for any good spending bills subject to such a condition?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1930149571801559198

Lol, Elon is now quoting Trump himself to make his point:

Patrick says

Lol, Elon is now quoting Trump himself to make his point:

It's a soap opera to restore Elon's corporate identity. Just like soap operas, they'll be back in bed with each other sooner or later.

Great - quite shit over 10 years old. I'm sure if they went back to quotes of Trump when he was 5 years old, they could get even juicier quotes.

stereotomy don’t be a debt junkie. right choices are not easy choices. congress got no balls to cut spending. but we must force them to.

remember: Debt is Slavery

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/doge-vs-trump

the “big beautiful bill” is a porkulous calamity where a weaksauce gormless opposition party played business as usual to run up debt by overspending and trump, in direct contrast to the claims he ran on, cheer led it. he’s siding with the RINO frails in congress over the american people on SALT giveaways and entitlements and 5000 little private clownshows. it’s an awful, business as usual bill resembling nothing so much as sugar loaded suet marketed as protein bars.

a stand was promised and this was the time to take one. instead, we “have to pork the bill to pass the bill” and keep these lameo fake fiscal conservatives in congress. trump proved to be just another “run on balanced budget rule on giant deficits” republican.

this is not a good look.

they gave the game away.

Good to know there is still SOMEONE who pretends to care about deficit spending... even if he is now an untouchable pariah despised by both sides of the political establishment.

I also got a kick out of Rand Paul saying he wont vote for it because it includes raising the debt ceiling, though he would vote for the rest of it.... so he'd vote in favor of the deficit spending as long as he reserves the right to complain about it later when its time to pay the bill... what a jackass.

At least Elon is self-consistent about not deficit spending in the first place.

This was all set up to be this way. The Freedom Clowns want the Spending Limit raised in December 2024, though they raised it Summer 2023 for Xiden.

Everything the Freedom Cuckoos have done is about trying to stop Trump from consolidating MAGA policies in the one annual bill that only requires 50 Senate votes.

"Muh separate bills" would require 60 votes, which means nothing that isn't laden with pork (and thus big spending) and token only policy changes can pass.

At that point, it's not about RINOs, since to get 60 Senate Votes some Democrats would have to come on board. Dems who don't want Grandma MeiMei not getting the Medicare despite the fact she only came to the USA at 72 years old from Taipei and Mr. Jiang the Tech Bro who makes $250k/year swore to support her to the Immigration Service and despite abandoning her, she makes dinner every night for her son and his family. Ditto for Chinese and Ukrainian anchor baby births.

It was always about stopping Immigration Enforcement, not any deficit concerns.

Mass migration is THE cornerstone of the Neolibs, Globalist, and the Elites of all stripes, including TechBros.

doesn’t change that bbb is debt slavery trash

Fortwaye says

doesn’t change that bbb is debt slavery trash

The BBB was never supposed to be. Massie was supposed to Trap Trump in a 3-5% increase spending bill and then dance around and harp on how Trump is a spendthrift, back in Feb-March this year with his usual Clown Show. Having prevented any MAGA agenda, esp. on Border Enforcement. Then Trump would need 60 Senate votes in any successive bill to get some MAGA codified into law.

Somehow, with EOs and Tariffs and pressure on the House, Trump got a BBB this far, with some good cuts and tax cuts and MAGA policies, but only needing 50 votes.

good tax cuts? its give away to special interests. no tax on OT, government union cash cow. they milk that crap every 3 month. no tax on tips.

but we get settled with inflation from government spending Trump promised to get rid of. so yeah i think Trump was full of shit when he made those promises. he’s a sakes guy. he has good qualities, but he lies too. i don’t want more debt slavery.

btw if you remember that was patnet originally slogan coined by patrick: debt is slavery. it stuck around because it’s true.

Fortwaye says

btw if you remember that was patnet originally slogan coined by patrick: debt is slavery. it stuck around because it’s true.

Perfect is the enemy of the good.

Get rid of Trump, guess what? You still got Congress but no Trump. You'll get debt slavery more and faster plus mass migration, etc.

who says get rid of Trump? i want to stop government from borrowing from our kids futures.

Fortwaye says

who says get rid of Trump? i want to stop government from borrowing from our kids futures.

This is a reconciliation bill.

It can only deal with mandatory spending like Medicare and Food Stamps. It cannot encompass discretionary spending like Federal Grants to Transgender Turkeys Tallies. Or DOGE, which was almost entirely Discretionary spending

It is singular in that in only requires 50 Senate Votes to pass (with Vance breaking the tie) because reconciliation bills can't be filibustered by law.

This part of the Byrd Rule, and to make other bills require only a majority vote to pass, you'd need 60 senators to agree, which isn't going to happen.

It makes permanent the current tax rates which were cut in 2017 as well as adding some new tax cuts

It is the biggest reduction in welfare in 30+ years, including expanding work requirements and closing many loopholes California, NY, and other states used to give Medicaid to Illegals and other non-qualified persons (the Foreign Grandma who never worked a day in the USA getting Medicare/Medicaid situation fake-abandoned by wealthy family members who are dining with her every night).

It does greatly expand the ICE/DHS budget for border security and deportations by many billions, which is necessary because buses and planes run on gas, and lawyers fighting off Catholic Charities, HIAC, and LIRS don't work for free.

CBO uses an accounting gimmick to count the 2017 cuts, always meant to be permanent, as spending new money when made permanent.

Since it cannot encompass discretionary spending, making any Total Budget Forecasts how much it will or won't 10 years from now is dishonest and deliberately so.

It is not a ten-year budget bill. Another reason why claims of "Raises Debt X Trillion over a decade" is bullshit.

It does not codify DOGE because it can't. The vast majority of DOGE discoveries were discretionary spending items.

The BBB doesn't even spend money. It only sets the budget for spending.

If you keep everything else outside the scope of the BBB as it was in the last bill, the BBB would indeed cut spending over $1.6T - even if it spent the entire budget.

you are not correct, i’ve heard senators last week saying that they could cut stuff from budget and discretionary in this bill. and you think they are in some form limited.

here is one of the interviews about it:
https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-show-ron-johnson

cuts don’t kick in till 4 years from now. tax cuts are bullshit cuts for unions, overtime. no tax on tips is gimmick for few years.

cbo hasn’t counted Trump tax cuts in estimated, so deficit will balloon.

Fortwaye says

cuts don’t kick in till 4 years from now. tax cuts are bullshit cuts for unions, overtime. no tax on tips is gimmick for few years.

Completely wrong. The 2017 tax cuts become permanent as intended, which counts as "Spending" by the rules governing the CBO.

It's far more important we crush mass migration than balance the budget.

Here's another truth: There is no debt ceiling. It's pure performative BS the swamp uses to force legislators - or give them an excuse - to just pass spending bills and not have long, drawn out, year long budget battles

"OMG if we don't get an agreement with the other party in a few weeks, the debt ceiling will be hit! We have to just increase budgets 2-3% and make a deal fast or we'll collapse the economy! We don't have time to have a long spending fight!;

All Swamp BS.

BTW, Elon has seen the BBB for weeks, more evidence he either had a shitfit over Mass Migration reduction, or more likely this is theater.

there is debt ceiling, they can’t borrow more without approval. that’s whole point, otherwise it’s unlimited credit card.

Fortwaye says

there is debt ceiling, they can’t borrow more without approval. that’s whole point, otherwise it’s unlimited credit card.

Where in the Constitution is a debt ceiling?

It's all made up rules by Congress that can be changed

It comes down to debt load such as debt service or payment as a percentage of tax revenue or receipts and debt as a percentage of GDP.

Its no different than for a household as far as debt load or for a business.

Debt to GDP ratio now at 120%, it was 107% just before pandemic started and has been over 100% since January 2014

AmericanKulak says

Where in the Constitution is a debt ceiling?

It's all made up rules by Congress that can be changed

Whether to ISSUE the debt and spend the money is totally up to congress.

Whether to PAY the debt after it is issued is guaranteed by the constitution 14th amendment. So default would be unconstitutional.

While I DO think balancing the budget is good policy and should be prioritized.... I have ZERO hope that this will be the outcome of the current fiscal fiasco created by both parties. Both parties have acclimated themselves not only to deficits, but INCREASING deficits over time.. each administration seeks to set a new record. The notion of holding the deficit merely constant is fringe in both parties.... Bringing the deficit to zero is unthinkable to both parties, since it would required entitlement/mandatory spending cuts. I think the only way this will occur is by financial crisis, which I think is what will eventually occur.

AmericanKulak says

Fortwaye says

there is debt ceiling, they can’t borrow more without approval. that’s whole point, otherwise it’s unlimited credit card.

Where in the Constitution is a debt ceiling?

It's all made up rules by Congress that can be changed

everything in constitution can be changed. what’s your point?

Fortwaye says

everything in constitution can be changed. what’s your point?

Constitution is MUCH harder to change and requires much broader consensus than just changing laws....
Debt ceiling is just a law, fully within the purview of congress to change.

Im totally with you on not borrowing from our kids future.... hence my user name.

AmericanKulak says

BTW, Elon has seen the BBB for weeks, more evidence he either had a shitfit over Mass Migration reduction, or more likely this is theater.

I dont know.. I think he could be genuinely annoyed that the bill is undermining efforts to reduce deficit spending. I think the motives you ascribe are a stretch.

This is the guy who was dancing on stage with a chainsaw... and just got done cutting most of Twitter/X budget to try to balance its budget. I think he may be genuinely interested in reducing spending and annoyed that the bill re-up's the deficit. I think he has a bit of an ego and believes that he can cut the budget effectively. Whether that is true is another story, but I think he believes it, and thats what motivates his frustrations lately.

I'm sure glad the government hasn't done anything Unconstitutional - Ever -- Giggles to self

What planet do people live on thinking a piece of paper can change reality.