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2025 Aug 6, 5:14pm   6,572 views  524 comments

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441   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2025 Sep 21, 12:49pm  

MolotovCocktail says

What a load of shit, mostly. Notice the entitlement they have?


That was exactly what I considered writing but I suspected someone else would so I held off for confirmation haha..
442   AD   2025 Sep 21, 2:01pm  

Patrick says

stereotomy says


Banks get fucked? What's not to like about this. When do we ever see banks get fucked as opposed to the little guys?


As long as the Fed exists, they will print to prevent any pain to the biggest banks.

Some small banks might get hurt though.


Yeah, big banks don't make Silicon Valley Bank mistakes.

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443   stereotomy   2025 Sep 21, 2:08pm  

AD says


Patrick says


stereotomy says


Banks get fucked? What's not to like about this. When do we ever see banks get fucked as opposed to the little guys?


As long as the Fed exists, they will print to prevent any pain to the biggest banks.

Some small banks might get hurt though.



Yeah, big banks don't make Silicon Valley Bank mistakes.

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No, they make even bigger mistakes, but they are "too big to fail," so they keep getting bailed out.

Remember that definition of insanity - "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."

This must logically lead one to conclude that the Fed collectively is fucking insane.

End the Fed.
445   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 21, 3:36pm  

WookieMan says

This is why I don't get it's some humanitarian crisis.


'Humanitarian crisis' is codespeak for remittances cut off. Indians in the US send home about $140 billion annually. That comprises 30% of the Indian government's tax revenue. That's the crisis they care about.
447   Patrick   2025 Sep 21, 4:10pm  

MolotovCocktail says

Damn!





Trump always seems to disappoint that way.

Big promises, failure to deliver.
448   mell   2025 Sep 21, 4:14pm  

It's still a good start
449   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 21, 4:14pm  

mell says

It's still a good start


True.
451   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 21, 4:24pm  

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

MolotovCocktail says


What a load of shit, mostly. Notice the entitlement they have?


That was exactly what I considered writing but I suspected someone else would so I held off for confirmation haha..





452   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 21, 4:42pm  

MolotovCocktail says



For those of you who think I am too much of a racist asshole...you would be too if you lived here to see what happened over 30 years. You would be too if you had to train TWO Jeets to take over my job like I had to. And I personally liked a few Jeets despite that. Not any fucking more. I was stupid.


Exhibit B:






454   preed   2025 Sep 21, 5:07pm  

MolotovCocktail says





https://x.com/thejobchick/status/1969840897505542441
I wasn’t planning to make my H-1B overview public just yet.

A supporter read it and offered to cover the paywall - to make sure this went public.

“More people need to see this. Keep the conversation going.”

Message received.
The H-1B article is now free for all:

https://insideredgereport.com/p/pay-to-play-politics
Pay-to-Play Politics?
$100K H-1B Visa Fee Won’t Bring Jobs Back
Amanda Goodall
Sep 20, 2025

I’m not gonna sugarcoat this you guys… Over the last 24 hours, the conversation around Trump’s new $100K H-1B visa fee has been a mess of misstatements, bad takes, and misplaced outrage.

I’ve got a really STRONG OPINION on this H1B news…. I’m not celebrating. I look too much into the workforce data to not care. I have said more than once that H1B’s are the distraction to what is going on with the workforce and The Corporate Revolution.

“If they really cared about U.S. jobs, H-1B would be gone tomorrow. But it’s not. That tells you everything.”

But let’s get the facts straight…

What REALLY went down?
On September 19, 2025, Trump issued a proclamation slapping a $100,000 fee on new H-1B petitions.

It applies only to petitions filed after September 21, 2025 at 12:01 AM. USCIS clarified:

It’s not retroactive.

Current H-1B visa holders are not affected.

Renewals are exempt.

This is a one-time petition fee, not an annual tax.

So if you already have an H-1B, you’re fine. If you’re filing new, you….or your sponsoring company…need $100K on the table.

The Confusion Campaign
Already, we’ve got videos circulating with Howard Lutnick saying it’s “$100K per year” when he was speaking in the Oval Office when Trump signed the Presidential Proclamation ( NOT an EO btw- more on that later…) Wrong. Miscommunication?

When something happens and the basics are quoted wrong, the spin cycle takes off… and the public gets distracted from the real issue: this doesn’t solve the labor market problem.

The White House’s Spin vs. Reality
Karoline Leavitt, Press Secretary, rushed to frame it cleanly:

Not annual.

Not applied to renewals.

Won’t hit people re-entering the country on an existing visa.

What NOBODY is talking about is the biggest part of the entire H-1B proclamation…

The DHS Secretary has full discretion to waive the fee.

Meaning? The $100K sticker price is only the baseline…. it’s negotiable.

If DHS decides hiring you is in the "national interest," the fee disappears. That’s not reform. That’s pay-to-play discretion - not immigration policy. This is NOT my opinion- this is in the proclamation .

From USCIS X Posting:

President Trump’s new H-1B visa requirement applies only to NEW, prospective petitions that have not yet been filed. Petitions submitted prior to September 21, 2025 are not affected.

This Doesn’t Help American Workers
This is the part no one wants to admit:

Slapping a $100K toll on H-1Bs won’t magically produce job offers for American workers.

Companies don’t have to hire Americans… they can offshore. And offshoring isn’t just about remote postings.

We’re talking entire headquarters, warehouses, and factories in India, Mexico, Eastern Europe, and beyond.They’ll just ramp those up.

Loopholes remain wide open.

DHS can exempt whomever it wants, whenever it wants.

I said it plainly: “The story is a $100K price tag slapped on visas that won’t magically create offers for American workers.” That’s it. That’s the signal.
The Real Cost to Companies
Here’s another piece most people miss because the MSM just doesn’t even talk about this.

For corporations, $100K is just another business expense.

Just like paying tariffs, or just like insurance paying out claims rather than fighting in court, it’s cheaper to just pay the bill than overhaul the model.

Think about it like this: companies already budget for tariffs, lawsuits, fines, and compliance fees.

This is just another line item.
And unlike American workers, H-1Bs are locked into their employer.

They don’t “buck the trend,” they don’t job hop the same way, and they’re less likely to leave midstream.

That stickiness has value.

Companies will gladly eat the $100K fee for predictable labor.

Petition Math… (seriously this is WILD)
Here’s the part nobody in media is spelling out. And bare with me -- I’m not a math girl…

The $100K fee isn’t assessed on “approvals” - it’s assessed per petition filed.

That matters, because the number of petitions is always higher than the number of approvals.

Companies flood USCIS with initial and continuing petitions; most get approved (denial rates for these firms hover around 2–3%).

But it means the ceiling number everyone is actually screaming about … $4 billion … is just that: a ceiling.

Recently I did a report on the companies with the most H-1B approvals… 11 of them to be exact.

Now let’s go company by company, using USCIS Data Hub numbers:

Amazon (all entities combined: Com Services, AWS, Data Services)

~13,200 petitions filed in FY 2025 (3,800+ were brand-new initial hires).

If every petition got hit with $100K? $1.32B.

If it’s just the initials? $380M.

Amazon revenue: $590B. This is pennies.

Microsoft

~5,300 petitions filed; ~1,300 were initial.

$530M max exposure, $130M realistic.

Revenue: $245B.

Apple

~4,300 petitions; about 1,000 new.

$430M ceiling, $100M real exposure.

Revenue: $383B.

Meta Platforms

~5,250 petitions; ~900 new.

$525M ceiling, $90M real.

Revenue: $142B.

Google (Alphabet)

~4,181 approvals, ~20% initial → ~4,300 petitions filed.

Roughly 900 initial.

$430M ceiling, ~$90M real.

Revenue: $307B.

Tata Consultancy Services (TCS)

~5,650 petitions filed; ~1,450 initial.

$565M ceiling, $145M real.

Revenue: $29B. Even here, the ratio works… cheaper to pay the toll.

JPMorgan Chase

~2,500 petitions; ~600 new.

$250M ceiling, $60M real.

Revenue: $162B.

Cisco Systems

~1,600 petitions; ~400 new.

$160M ceiling, $40M real.

Revenue: $57B.

General Motors

~590 petitions; ~150 new.

$59M ceiling, $15M real.

Revenue: $171B.

Visa Inc. (Tech + Ops divisions)

~480 petitions; ~120 new.

$48M ceiling, $12M real.

Revenue: $35B.

Totals across all 11 entities:

~39,000 petitions filed (FY 2025, prelim).

~8,000–9,000 were truly initial hires that would realistically face the $100K fee.

That’s $3.9B at the ceiling, but only about $1.0–$1.1B in reality.

Four billion spread across eleven giants is not reform.
$1 billion spread across eleven companies whose combined revenues exceed $2 trillion is a rounding error, and corporations will gladly pay it.

These firms spend more than that on snacks, lobbying, or one failed moonshot project.
Then, there is the ‘loophole’
The fine print is everything.

The proclamation allows DHS to waive the fee entirely if it’s deemed in the ‘national interest.’

That’s a moving target. What counts as “national interest”?

AI engineers? Cybersecurity?

Whatever the administration decides this week as things and the geopolitical landscape changes?

Big Tech and Fortune 500 firms with lobbying power will be just fine.

The smaller players, startups, and less-connected firms? They eat the full $100K cost.

This is all about optics, not structure.

Optics: “We’re cracking down on H-1B abuse.”

Reality: The architecture of underpayment and exploitation doesn’t change. It just gets a new cover fee.

You don’t fix the pipeline by tolling it. You fix it by restructuring the incentives that created the abuse in the first place.

Expect three things to happen now:
Lobbyist carveouts. Big companies will use the DHS waiver clause to bypass the $100K. We probably won’t hear about this, but the workforce data will keep show. Companies can’t keep saying headcount its remaining the same when Americans aren’t being hired and they are denying paying the 100K fees… or we will know what is up.

Offshoring surge. Companies unwilling to pay will move more work abroad. This is a no brainer for many. But honestly, after that Tech WH dinner… I would imagine it’s all water under the bridge and planned out. I don’t expect the Mag 7 to do a thing.

Restructuring risk. Smaller companies may use the cover of this policy to RIF American workers while justifying H-1B hires as “market necessity.”

My Take… Straight Up
This isn’t about “protecting American jobs,” it’s about creating a new revenue lever the government can pull at will.

A $100K toll that can be waived for the well-connected isn’t reform… it’s rent-seeking.

The quote I’ve already dropped still stands:

The $100K visa fee won’t bring jobs back. It just makes it more expensive to underpay imported labor. This won’t magically create offers for American workers… it just shifts the price of exploitation. Pay to Play.

The other thing I haven’t mentioned…..
Here’s the metaphor that explains it:

Imagine buying two homes next door, knocking them both down, and building one mega-house.

Companies can do the same with their workforce.

They’ll RIF American workers under the cover of “restructuring,” and replace them with H-1Bs—even if they have to eat the $100K per head.

Why? Because in the long run, it’s cheaper and stickier.

That’s the workforce math.

Can I be a bit counterfactual?
If this was really about protecting U.S. workers, the government would kill the H-1B program outright. But they didn’t. Why?

Because corporations want it. Because the system is built for them, not for American workers. And until that changes, this is what many on X seem to call a nothingburger.

This move isn’t structural reform… it’s political optics.

Don’t get distracted by the sticker shock. Watch the loopholes, the discretion, and the inevitable carveouts.

The labor market is still broken. And the $100K H-1B fee doesn’t change that.

Sticker shock without structural change is still theater.

I’ll keep an eye on the workforce. Question is… will the stock market care? What sectors will rise and what ones will have a moment. Many are already keeping their eye on ACN -0.12%↓ - INFY -3.70%↓ & CTSH -5.43%↓

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455   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 21, 5:14pm  

preed says

Companies don’t have to hire Americans… they can offshore. And offshoring isn’t just about remote postings.

We’re talking entire headquarters, warehouses, and factories in India, Mexico, Eastern Europe, and beyond.They’ll just ramp those up.


If that were true, they would have done so already. Hell, Intel, Microsoft, META, Alphabet, etc. already have such offices set up in India already.

So why the need for H1Bs here?

Also she doesn't realize what the effects on schools, housing, etc is here. Ship their asses home.
456   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2025 Sep 21, 7:19pm  

Trump definitely failed this one.
457   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 21, 7:20pm  

Fortwaye says

Trump definitely failed this one.


This to scare Modi, I think.
458   gabbar   2025 Sep 22, 2:05am  

HOW IS THIS IN THE INTEREST OF AMERICAN PEOPLE?

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In fiscal 2025, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services listed the H-1B visas numbers approved for Michigan companies. Here are the top recipients:

Ford, 649
General Motors, 574
University of Michigan, 333
Atos Syntel Inc., 266
HCL Global Systems Inc., 186
HCL Global Services Inc., 179
FCA US LLC, 171
Populus Group LLC, 141
TATA Elxsi Limited, 104
Henry Ford Health System, 102
Ally Bank, 101
Aptive Corporation, 87
KPIT Technologies Inc., 85
Robert Bosch LLC, 78
United Wholesale Mortgage, 77
Akkodis Inc., 71
Michigan State University, 71
Rocket Mortgage LLC, 69
Epitec Inc., 68
Tata Technologies Inc., 68
Miracle Software Systems, 66
Technosoft Corporation, 60
Alixpartners LLP, 57
Stryker Corporation, 52
Wayne State University, 48
Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, 45
Altimetrick Corp, 44
Strategic Staffing Solutions, 43
Credit Acceptance Corporation, 38
Ford Motor Credit Company, 36
Infostretch Corporation, 35
Manga Electronics, 35
Altair Engineering, 34
Altair Product Design, 33
Domino's Pizza, 33
Aptive U.S. Services General, 32
Whirlpool Corporation, 32
Comerica Management, 31
BorgWarner PDS USA, 28
Reliable Software Resources, 27
Flagstar Bank, 27
462   Booger   2025 Sep 22, 3:58pm  

⁃ 700,000 H1B’s
⁃ 250,000 L1 visas — hire in India and transfer to the US
⁃ 100,000 country-specific visas
⁃ 350,000 “intern visas”to go home and permanently take your job
⁃ 1 million “student” visas with work privileges
⁃ 250,000 “OPT” visas that function like H1B

All while Americans can’t find work
467   Patrick   2025 Sep 22, 9:01pm  

https://x.com/i/status/1969223485391323215


The main innovation of Silicon Valley was H-1B visa abuse. Well-known secret.

Under the guise of "meritocracy," tech companies rejected qualified American students to hire cheap, indentured foreign labor.

I rage quit my tech job when I realized it was an immigrant abuse farm.



468   AD   2025 Sep 22, 10:40pm  

Patrick says






Another is they are captive to their original employer, so the employer has leverage over them. These H1-B workers are not going to get poached by another tech company. That is because "H1-B portability" is likely not common.
469   gabbar   2025 Sep 23, 1:18pm  

It is significantly advantageous for American corporations to hire H-1B in our country and outsource jobs to foreign countries. Corporations are doing it for only dollars. I hope further changes to this shit program are in the pipeline.
470   Blue   2025 Sep 23, 5:49pm  

Along with H-1B, gov is now looking at another interesting category: lottery per county! This is a non merit category run every year.
471   FreeAmericanDOP   2025 Sep 23, 6:16pm  

This is what I voted for.

They can pay them less, but most of all, no unemployment when they cancel a project. CA and NY have very limited exceptions (ie they found another job that starts before 60 days but still maybe a month out, but that's minimal) Another massive advantage for employers to seek H1Bs.

Hassan and Ramesh and Wu don't get months of unemployment when Apple cancels the iDildo.

Making employers pay H1Bs unemployment benefits as Citizens would be a great reform.
472   mell   2025 Sep 23, 6:41pm  

When I started my h1b stint during the peak of the dot com boom everybody and their mother was employed and they still needed workers. You couldn't find an apartment or hotel to stay at, and we camped out in our cars and medical rooms. Eventually the craig motel (rip 2004) in palo alto had an opening and provided time to find a roommate situation.

It didn't start feeling like an immigrant abuse farm until a few years later when the bubble had burst. The dot com heydays were great and it was fantastic to be part of it. Californication was the peak music album for the heydays. It's good though they're putting and end to the abuse. Especially those indian bench farms have just been ridiculously exploiting the program.
474   RWSGFY   2025 Sep 24, 8:31am  

Patrick says








Motherfucker!
475   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 24, 9:28am  

Modi is scared.


476   FreeAmericanDOP   2025 Sep 24, 9:32am  

We also need a stop to Healthcare and Financial record keeping and customer service being based outside of the USA.

It's insane that your Credit Card or Medical Records are in another Country, and serviced on literally the other side of the world.
477   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2025 Sep 24, 9:33am  

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

We also need a stop to Healthcare and Financial record keeping and customer service being based outside of India.

It's insane that your Credit Card or Medical Records are in another Country, and serviced on literally the other side of the world.


I have steam for our businesses hiring practices. I call it “anyone but Americans hiring system”.
478   FreeAmericanDOP   2025 Sep 24, 9:37am  

Edited my post above. Had a brain fart and said "based outside of India". I mean the USA, but was thinking of those accounts being serviced in India.
479   FreeAmericanDOP   2025 Sep 25, 9:34am  

Reports: India Demands Migrant Visas for Job-Seekers in Trade Talks

Indian diplomats want the draft U.S.-India trade deal to welcome more Indian job-seekers into the United States, say U.S. and Indian media reports.

“Indian officials will ask US trade negotiators this week to ease access for thousands of skilled workers, a person familiar with the matter said, days after President Donald Trump’s abrupt announcement to restrict H-1B visas,” said a September 24 report in TheHinduBusinessLine.com.

The report, which is attributed to Bloomberg News, adds:

Indian negotiators led by Commerce Minister Piyush Goyal will raise the issue of movement of skilled professionals, such as IT workers, in their current round of trade talks in Washington, the person said, asking not to be identified because the discussions are private.

Trade talks up to now have centered around easing access for goods only, but Trump’s latest crackdown on [H-1B] immigration have pushed New Delhi to widen the negotiations to include services industries, such as IT. India’s economy is heavily skewed toward services, which make up more than 50 per cent of gross domestic product.

The reports suggested that India’s government wants to expand the one million-plus population of Indian graduates who are now in the white-collar jobs needed by Americans. Each year, at least 400,000 additional Indians arrive to work U.S. white-collar jobs legally or illegally, so pushing a huge number of American graduates into lower-tier jobs, such as coffee barista.

But Indians may also want to send more low-wage workers into U.S. jobs via the H-2A, H-2B, B-1, and M-1 visas for trade school students. Many Indian migrants use B-1 tourist visas to work as illegal truckers and cargo handlers on U.S. freeways.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2025/09/25/reports-india-demands-more-migrant-visas-in-trade-talks/
480   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 25, 9:43am  

MolotovCocktail says





What a direct contrast to this dumbass Democrat senator:

MolotovCocktail says









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