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DOGEWontAmountToShit says

I thought you didn't like memes, @WookieMan ?

Booger says

Different fields in engineering. Architects are technically engineers and clearly that's not a high priority in India. Same with sewer and water. I presume their roads are trash. Not to shit on programmers on this site, but I just don't consider that "engineering" so to speak. Everyone seems to call themselves an engineer now. You local dog walker is a leash engineer.

It's a pinkies up profession if you can call yourself an engineer.

Patrick says

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

In my first job, at Motorola, we were judged on the number of lines of code we produced per day. More code was assumed to be better.

But the best programmers produce negative lines of code per day, making everything more compact and clearer at the same time.

WookieMan says

Booger says

Different fields in engineering. Architects are technically engineers and clearly that's not a high priority in India. Same with sewer and water. I presume their roads are trash. Not to shit on programmers on this site, but I just don't consider that "engineering" so to speak. Everyone seems to call themselves an engineer now. You local dog walker is a leash engineer.

It's a pinkies up profession if you can call yourself an engineer.

It’s more easily explained by the low average IQ of Indians: low 80’s. There are probably 10’s of millions of very bright Indians, stratified by caste and religion (like Sikhs). Many are already here. But that leaves 1.3 billion not-so-bright.

It’s like Nigeria, with 35 million Igbo (IQ average 95), but an overall average of mid-70’s. Don’t bring in groups dragging the average down, clearly.

This us and them fight is nonsense. There are probably a marginally small portion of Asian HB1 visa workers that are uber smart. But I don't think that ratio of uber smarties is greater than what we have here in America. But none the less, that still leaves a deficit of tech people who are capable of designing cutting edge state of the art chips. I'm talking about folks that works in particle free facilities that require redundant anti static precautions.
That need is real.

Where the Bullshit hits the rubber on the road. When they then lump every finger ass wiping lowly data analyst, QA, end user UI design, code to be fed into compilers. While very techincal people are needed to create compilers and new languages. The personel who then write code using the syntax, there are 20 American workers for every job.

This Us against Them argument allows them to not make the distinction, because we're not making that distinction. We say they aren't short, and they point to folks needed to build the next quantum computer. Even though it's just a ploy to import everyone from Data back up to requirements gathering. Tasks that there are no shortage of American workers to do.

To be honest I have never ran into one single Indian EVER that could hold a candle to the level of skill that I posses. The Head Indian Honcho, in the company convinced the Company leadership to import every wheat husker from India to fill those spots. They don't know shit EVER! Yes the Indians that are far advanced beyond my skills knows their shit. But to be honest the Enterprise and common Database programming. Doesn't require that level of skill. So I have never worked along side them ever. Other than they being a technical contact for an advanced system we may have been implementing in the company. Guys that wrote code and the hardware for the system we were using. Those folks had skills that I respected. I'm not talking about Indian based technical support here. I'm talking about senior level folks for print prepress hardware and the software for it. .

Meanwhile the Indians in the enterprise doing the same job I'm doing, that has to call the same contacts that I have to call. End up deferring the project to me, because it's beyond their scope. They can't make sense of the documentation, or the instructions and suggestions from those tech contacts.

It's simple the Big Business says they need skilled people, but there is no distinction on what skill level they can import. So it's an open spigot for any and all, and that's the true injustice here.

Tenpoundbass says

Farmerswon today

I'm glad that guy has me blocked so I can only see his stupid posts when I'm not logged in.

FarmersWon says

The H1B battle is not about brilliant people or Hindus , It is really about the “ Hindu Junk “ who is subpar and using Hindu bribery to replace Americans.
These same junk level Hindus are racist towards Sikhs and whites and Muslims, The geniuses are to busy to create value for 🇺🇸.

I agree but we're distracting from our own fight. It shouldn't be "Don't import any" but more about regulating what constitutes tech skills we are in need of.
As long as we say we don't need any Indians, they will just keep pointing to the Labs where cutting edge technology is created.

I think the number we need to run the Enterprise computers servers, networks, Coding, website design, graphic design ect. Is ZERO!

It's an insult to all Americans for anyone to suggest we don't have people skilled enough to perform those jobs.

Also HB1 visa holders should be barred from executive level positions.
CEO
CFO
CIO ect...

H1B employment visa originates in F1/student visa. Universities need out of state fee paying students and ultra cheap (less than minimum wage earning) research assistants (research is where university makes money, not teaching). Money made in popular/money making departments (CSc, Engineering for example) is shifted to Departments of Wokesism, this is the only way to keep these wokeism departments going.

Tenpoundbass says

Also HB1 visa holders should be barred from executive level positions.
CEO
CFO
CIO ect...

There will be little or no change going forward, imo. This is not about merits of the issue; its about money. If Trump succeeds in changing this parasitic system, he would be the greatest President forever in the history of the US.

Add:

> Absolute zero tolerance for outdoor shitting on Greenland

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/doge-days-of-the-color-war-friday

Bottom line, Elon’s honeymoon is officially over, and the wedding party must swim back to the mainland through shark-infested waters. Elon’s stock with some MAGA types had clearly fallen below zero yesterday. Buying and freeing twitter? Who cares! Funding the Trump campaign? So what! Swinging Silicon Valley to MAGA? That’s old news! Elon favors H1-B work visas!

Now, you might think the argument over H1-B work visas is a pretty wonky and thinly sliced issue. You might think it is hardly the issue to torch the MAGA movement over. Stick with me. There’s a lot more to this, and it is dark. ...

The deep state ran a color revolution strategy against the Tea Parties, and look what happened. They’ve been trying for years to start one against MAGA, but so far they’ve been unsuccessful.

Yesterday, they finally had a breakthrough.

Disagree. This is not a color revolution fueled by the deep state. Trump has said forever that the H1B program is abuse and needs to at the minimum be severely curtailed if not abandoned. Now it's his time to make good on this promise. They can always reopen the program or up the quota should something "bad" come from this, which it won't.

There was a paper on the interwebs back in 1997 I've looked for the past few years. Like a photocopy of a document written on a type writer with citations, footnotes only a few pages long max, maybe less.

It detailed the government and tech collusion to implement the H1B system. This was before the dot com crash. Anyhow, it predicted all of this, how we were being sold out and I sure wish I could find it again but it seems to have vanished.

Maybe 1998 or early 99..

mell says

Trump has said forever that the H1B program is abuse and needs to at the minimum be severely curtailed if not abandoned

He says a lot of things.

HOLY SHIT, Elon


Elon hoez mad he didn't get in on the O-1 visa but the H1B?

The Right has a tendency to blackpill like crazy, or just throw it's hands up, and has a genius for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory by finally snapping at the worst possible time.

Keep Redpilling Elon.

The POINT with H1Bs is to demonstrate with indisputable facts like those in this thread, that it is NOT that same as O-1 visas. It's been turned into a cheap labor scheme by Carly Fiorina types

Also fellow anti-H1B folks, let's not forget there are UNLIMITED H1Bs with NO CAPS for NGOs, State Colleges, etc. which is why they are packed with H1B in staff positions. "But it's only 85k/year" It's a lot more than that.

I decided to search "Santa" just to see if there was a critical shortage of Mall Santas that only Abu from Karachi could fill.

Fortunately not, but I found this whopper


"Hurr Durr, Retail Store Manager is an arcane and rare skill no lazy, stupid American possesses. There are no bicycle fanatics anywhere in California. that would rather run a Bike Store than being a supervisor at Smoothies Hut."

Apparently no American in the Ozark Area is capable of managing a convenience store for ~$48k/year according to Founder Ibraheem Kahtoot and President Abdul Quddus.

Thanks for creating good jobs, diversity blessings! For H1Bs, at least.

This is not a secret.

If Americans don't fight this (not on the internet but on the streets and in politics), they are looking at a bleak future for their children. It might be too late already.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

Farmerswon today

I'm glad that guy has me blocked so I can only see his stupid posts when I'm not logged in.

Lol forgot about that. That's one of my 10 ignores for sure.

AmericanKulak says

HOLY SHIT, Elon


Elon hoez mad he didn't get in on the O-1 visa but the H1B?

Elon is right about himself and for himself only; he cannot have a short term and self interested view on this. WTF

gabbar says

Elon is right about himself and for himself only; he cannot have a short term and self interested view on this. WTF

If this is a real tweet, it's a bit short sighted. He doesn't exist without America. Someone else would have figured out all his companies at some point.

Electric golf carts have existed for around 50 years I believe. He just scaled up existing tech. Tunnels have been built forever, again borrowed tech. Space X is maybe the only argument he did something unique. Reality is someone would have done it anyway that was natively born in America.

I like Musk, but he's showing his ego here. I know likely 200 engineers that could work for him that are Americans. A few have done award winning work nationally. This is just who I know. He just wants slave labor from poor countries that got educated. Does it work for him, likely yes, but it doesn't work for the citizens you built your companies in. That's a tweet I'd delete. Though I don't know what is real or fake anymore.

The answer is easy: require all H1b salaries to be a minimum of a $500,000 per year.

If the person really is a star, the company will pay it.

If the company is really just trying to shortchange American workers, the person will not be hired.

Done.

Great Thread: Salary breakdown shows the vast number of H1Bs are for lower-middle band job ranges, not the top tier of elite experts.
https://x.com/RobertMSterling/status/1873174742129361084

Patrick Bet-David's H1B worker


Nobody in the State of Florida would do Graphic Design for Valuetainment ... at the price multimillionaire Bet-David wanted to optimally pay.

For the memes:

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

mell says

Trump has said forever that the H1B program is abuse and needs to at the minimum be severely curtailed if not abandoned

He says a lot of things.

Elon is coming around.

Trump should talk specifically about imposing a high wage requirement for H1B visas.

But as usual, Trump does not speak clearly enough.

Patrick says

But as usual, Trump does not speak clearly enough.

Sometimes, it's deliberate. Let them stew. Very Torunaga (Shogun, the Book)

Patrick says

Trump should talk specifically about imposing a high wage requirement for H1B visas.

But as usual, Trump does not speak clearly enough.

Oh @Patrick