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HeadSet says

Eric Holder says

Zee Germanz like to drive fast on the Authobahn and EVs are no bueno for that.

?? Won't a Model S hold its own against Porshe, et al?

On Zee Autobahn? LOL

Here's a hint: the Cannonball run record time for gas cars is currently sitting at less than 26 hours. For EVs it's over 42 hrs. All you need to know.

RWSGFY says

Here's a hint: the Cannonball run record time for gas cars is currently sitting at less than 26 hours. For EVs it's over 42 hrs. All you need to know.

Good thing that 99.999% of the available US car market will never have to do a Cannonball run.

Would you be impressed if GM came out with a sedan that had a 150 gallon gas tank so it could drive coast to coast without stopping for fuel?

socal2 says

RWSGFY says

Here's a hint: the Cannonball run record time for gas cars is currently sitting at less than 26 hours. For EVs it's over 42 hrs. All you need to know.

Good thing that 99.999% of the available US car market will never have to do a Cannonball run.

Would you be impressed if GM came out with a sedan that had a 150 gallon gas tank so it could drive coast to coast without stopping for fuel?

But we're talking about Zee Germanz and their beloved Autobahn, aren't we? If you ever driven Tesla you know that it gets very unhappy and loses range very fast when driven above 70 mph. 70 mph is painfully slow for Zee Autobahn. And if you drive at 120+
mph, you'll spend the better part of the day charging and recharging and recharging some more. Kinda like with EVs and towing.

socal2 says

HeadSet says

?? Won't a Model S hold its own against Porshe, et al?

A Model S Plaid or Model 3 Ludicrous will smoke a Porsche and every other car on the road less than $250,000. Hell - my middle to low trim Model Y will smoke 98% of the cars on the road.

Top end speed. No. Electric motors get tapped out. ICE can go ape shit top speed.

There would be land speed records with EV's. Nope. Hasn't happened. Your Tesla would get smashed by most high end ICE cars less that $250k.

The problem is you can't turn a wrench on an EV. I could make a Honda Civic faster than your Tesla. You're stuck with what you got. I personally don't care about small dick syndrome with speed and acceleration. My big dick needs utility. Not some zippy car that maybe can tow 2k lbs. without breaking.

WookieMan says

Top end speed. No. Electric motors get tapped out. ICE can go ape shit top speed.

Yeah - but we are talking about driving cars on public streets. Very few people (including Germans) have access to or are going sustained Autobahn speeds for hundreds of miles notstop.

A Tesla being able to get to the speed limit (and then some) instantly with all that nonstop and amazing feeling torque is what it is all about. It just never gets old. So silky smooth and quiet so you are not being an obnoxious douche while driving in traffic.

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Top end speed. No. Electric motors get tapped out. ICE can go ape shit top speed.

Yeah - but we are talking about driving cars on public streets. Very few people (including Germans) have access to or are going sustained Autobahn speeds for hundreds of miles notstop.

A Tesla being able to get to the speed limit (and then some) instantly with all that nonstop and amazing feeling torque is what it is all about. It just never gets old. So silky smooth and quiet so you are not being an obnoxious douche while driving in traffic.

And yet, Zee Germanz are not impressed. They want the Autobahn-driving capabilities in addition to stoplight boy-racer capabilities. Not that I see many ... scratch that ... any Teslas accelerating at even 10 sec to 60 mph rate on the streets.

Yes, EV Fluffers of PatNet! Do tell us what this light means...

Ceffer says

Yes, EV Fluffers of PatNet! Do tell us what this light means...

Ceffer says

socal2 says

So silky smooth and quiet so you are not being an obnoxious douche while driving in traffic.

I can't stand loud and obnoxious cars and motorcycles specifically. As I've said before, I need utility and range. No EV can provide that yet. I appreciate that it's quiet, but that would be the only benefit for me. I don't need fancy infotainment screens and crap like that. No one does really. You should be driving and not distracted.

I tent camp, but I tow a trailer with about 500lbs of gear. Trailer itself is 1,200lb. Say I go to Ely, MN from northern IL, which I do. I'd need to charge 3 times maybe 4 over 550 miles and that's in areas of WI and MN that don't have many chargers. I'd stop 5 minutes for fuel in my SUV one time where a gas station is available every 5-10 miles.

It would need to be full charges as well. We're talking adding close to 3 hours on an already long road trip. Fine, one stop is for a sit down lunch, but that's assuming I can find a charger and then walk or uber to the restaurant. Likely have to detach the trailer, leave that unattended to get a full charge since they're generally not pull through. This is money, time and potential theft of my stuff.

Enjoy them if you do. I just don't see the value in them at all. Until I can get 400 miles on a charge with a trailer in 5 minutes with one stop, I will never buy one. Oh and fits 5 people in it comfortably. Which adds to the weight and less range which no one accounts for. Humans have mass. 3 boys that are all about to be teenagers weighing 120lbs plus, my 220lbs ass and my wife. That's 500-600lbs load just to move people. That would reduce range 5-10% likely.

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Yes, EV Fluffers of PatNet! Do tell us what this light means...

Ceffer says

This is why I keep my golf cart about 20' away from my house. I'd never park it in a garage unless I had a sprinkler system. Forgot to talk to my insurance buddy about it, but I wonder if they're going to start asking on home owners insurance applications if you have an EV.

Not necessarily the battery, but the charging of the car inside the garage. How that's installed. I could see home owners insurance rates jumping if they own an EV.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13918593/Florida-Hodges-family-Tesla-fire-burned-flooding-Hurricane-Helene.html

Florida family-of-nine narrowly escape wild blaze after Tesla burst into fireball during Hurricane Helene flooding

zzyzzx says

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13918593/Florida-Hodges-family-Tesla-fire-burned-flooding-Hurricane-Helene.html

Florida family-of-nine narrowly escape wild blaze after Tesla burst into fireball during Hurricane Helene flooding

It's a pain, but I usually cover my golf cart after most uses, but especially if rain is in the forecast.

I accidentally arch'd (sp?) the battery terminals once. Holy fucking sparks. I wanna keep that thing dry, but not in my house. So cover it is. Helps with UV tire rot as well. Just a pain in the ass as I use it daily usually.

Teslas actually do pretty good driving through fresh water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzA0U53HF2g
https://www.tiktok.com/@6abcactionnews/video/7327816600290168106

But you definitely don't want to have those large batteries soaking in seawater for an extended periods of time and still parked in your garage.

Tesla instructs owners to park their Teslas on the street away from their houses if they are unable secure their homes and vehicles before an upcoming hurricane.

Even ICE cars will be totalled after soaking in seawater for a few hours.

socal2 says

Even ICE cars will be totalled after soaking in seawater for a few hours.

But they don't catch on fire.

Did I leave the seat warmer on high, or did I do something to offend the Deep State?

https://t.me/followsthewhiterabbit/99991

This one reminds me of a typical conversation on PatNet involving @socal2

In case you didn't have enough to be paranoid about. Still happy you got that intriguing DNA test?

https://t.me/STFNREPORT/34755

So what I want to know is:

If Elon is now the Libtards' new Hitler, then why aren't the libtards all ditching their Teslas over Devil's Slide?



https://www.visithalfmoonbay.org/discover/articles/exploring-devils-slide-and-highway-one-walk-pacific-coast-highway

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

So what I want to know is:

If Elon is now the Libtards' new Hitler, then why aren't the libtards all ditching their Teslas over Devil's Slide?



https://www.visithalfmoonbay.org/discover/articles/exploring-devils-slide-and-highway-one-walk-pacific-coast-highway

They can't: Devil's Slide has been bypassed by a tunnel.

RWSGFY says

They can't: Devil's Slide has been bypassed by a tunnel.

"Just about 15 minutes down the road from Devil’s Slide is Moss Beach Distillery."

Awesome!

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

So what I want to know is:

If Elon is now the Libtards' new Hitler, then why aren't the libtards all ditching their Teslas over Devil's Slide?

Because Tesla's are so amazingly safe that the fall wouldn't kill them.

Remember the 4 people that survived last year after the husband/driver tried to kill the whole family at Devil's Slide?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-california-cliff-2-kids-2-adults-survive-miracle/

socal2 says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

So what I want to know is:

If Elon is now the Libtards' new Hitler, then why aren't the libtards all ditching their Teslas over Devil's Slide?

Because Tesla's are so amazingly safe that the fall wouldn't kill them.

Remember the 4 people that survived last year after the husband/driver tried to kill the whole family at Devil's Slide?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-california-cliff-2-kids-2-adults-survive-miracle/

Anecdotes vs data:

TESLA HAS HIGHEST RATE OF DEADLY ACCIDENTS AMONG CAR BRANDS, STUDY FINDS
Despite the company's claim that its vehicles are "engineered to be the safest in the world," the Model S and Model Y rank among the most dangerous automobiles

By MILES KLEE
NOVEMBER 21, 2024

...

Analyzing fatal collisions from 2017 to 2022 involving 2018 to 2022 car models, the group identified the Tesla Model S and Tesla Model Y as two of the most dangerous cars on the road by occupant fatality rate. Though models from Hyundai, Chevrolet, Mitsubishi, Porsche, and Honda occupied the top five spots on the list, the Tesla Model S, a mid-size SUV, came in sixth, with a fatal accident rate 3.7 times higher than the average car, and 4.8 times higher than the average SUV. The Model S rate is double that of the average car.

...

The auto company had 5.6 fatal accidents per billion miles traveled by its vehicles, narrowly edging out Kia, with 5.5 per billion miles, as the brand with the overall highest rate of deadly accidents. This, the iSeeCars study notes, is “despite Tesla’s advanced driver-assist technology,” with features including so-called Autopilot and Full-Self Driving (FSD), which are meant to reduce human error.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/tesla-highest-rate-deadly-accidents-study-1235176092/

The impact on highways and the tires they gobble up is the reason of taxing the vehicles. Around Idaho all I ever see is the 5000# trucks that's not a truck.

RWSGFY says

Anecdotes vs data:

Yeah - this bit of FUD was floating around by the Elon haters earlier this week.

The main reason for the higher fatality rate is that the car is Ferrari/Lamborghini fast and there are alot of drivers not used to that much power and speed. They think they are just getting a standard sedan or SUV, not appreciating how unbelievably powerful they are.

I hear that Tesla cars will have robotic technology to harvest organs immediately after a detected accident and place them in chilled containers hidden in the car. If your DNA profile matches an oligarch and your AI implant gives them the geo information, you will be sacrificed for the greater good.

If your Tesla burns you alive behind locked doors, the local Church of Satan will be notified so they can appear in robes to chalk a five pointed star in a circle and pray to their demon of choice over the sacrifice.

socal2 says

RWSGFY says

Anecdotes vs data:

Yeah - this bit of FUD was floating around by the Elon haters earlier this week.

The main reason for the higher fatality rate is that the car is Ferrari/Lamborghini fast and there are alot of drivers not used to that much power and speed. They think they are just getting a standard sedan or SUV, not appreciating how unbelievably powerful they are.

So fall from Devil's Slide won't kill you in Tesla but driving it as intended will? And this is better how?

Eric Holder says

So fall from Devil's Slide won't kill you in Tesla but driving it as intended will? And this is better how?

Driving a Tesla 120+ mph and wrapping it around a telephone pole is not "driving it as intended".

socal2 says

Eric Holder says

So fall from Devil's Slide won't kill you in Tesla but driving it as intended will? And this is better how?

Driving a Tesla 120+ mph and wrapping it around a telephone pole is not "driving it as intended".

Are you implying that the percentage of idiots is higher among Tesla drivers so much so they manage to kill themselves even in Devil Slide proof car?

Tesla are simply not safer. It has no sensor to stop a speeding drunk driver from blowing a stop sign and getting t-boned. My son and I almost had it happen to us. The sensors wouldn't have worked in time where I was at. My eyes worked and stopped before entering the intersection.

Fact is you have to be aware. I trust probably 1-2 people, let alone tech that I have no control over. If people want to trust in it, good luck. My car would eat any model Tesla for breakfast. And there's nothing your sensors can do about it if I t-bone you. You're dead. You'll have a Goodyear tire in your mouth and your frame jammed up your ass. I'll be like, was that a deer?

Sedans are not safe. Fact. I don't care what model. If I hit you at 60-70mph there's at 95% chance you're dead. Not debatable. I walk, call the cops as you die. I'll try to help you but it's hopeless 9 out of 10 times. People have too much false hope on car safety. Weight matters. Size matters. Funny how everyone dies in a train on car crash. Right?

Eric Holder says

Are you implying that the percentage of idiots is higher among Tesla drivers so much so they manage to kill themselves even in Devil Slide proof car?

I'm suggesting that performance cars and muscle cars have higher fatality rates because........they do.
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/latest-driver-death-rates-highlight-dangers-of-muscle-cars

Even base model Teslas are faster and more powerful than most muscle and performance cars. So no surprise that some wine moms driving their 3's and Y's around town might let the car get away from them not realizing the power they have available.

WookieMan says

Tesla are simply not safer.

Tesla Model Y 2024 scores near-perfect in IIHS’ crash tests
https://electrek.co/2024/02/27/tesla-model-y-2024-scores-near-perfect-iihs-crash-tests/

Model Y Achieves 5-Star Overall Safety Rating from NHTSA
https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-y-achieves-5-star-overall-safety-rating-nhtsa

Model S Receives 5-Star Euro NCAP Safety Rating
https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-s-receives-5-star-euro-ncap-safety-rating#:~:text=Revisiting%20Euro%20NCAP,and%20Post%2DCrash%20Safety%20subsection.

Tesla Model Y wins 2023 safety award with “near-perfect safety rating”
https://thedriven.io/2023/01/23/tesla-model-y-wins-2023-safety-award-with-near-perfect-safety-rating/

socal2 says

Even base model Teslas are faster and more powerful than most muscle and performance cars. So no surprise that some wine moms driving their 3's and Y's around town might let the car get away from them not realizing the power they have available.

Slightly sexist. Fact is they're not safer cars when I hit them. You'll at minimum be in an ICU for days or dead. For an engineer Musk overhypes his product. Mass and speed matter. That's not debatable and he should know that. An airbag is not going to save you from me running over your car and smashing your body.

If you haven't been in an accident, you can't really say a Tesla is safer. Wife got hit by a fully loaded box truck with 16k lbs. Sequoia was totaled and the kids barely noticed. I know the insurance adjuster on the box truck and the driver. It was a 45mph rear end. Small world and not joking.

You'd be dead in any model of Tesla or sedan of any make or model. The car in front of my wife's was totaled as well. My son had glass all over him and all he said was, "what was that."

The reliance on sensors is false safety. T-bone accidents are the most deadly. Blown stop sign or light. Happens all the time. Sensors cannot prevent that.

We are talking basic physics here.

Car rollovers are one of the main causes of car fatalities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qySTIFdAZRM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEunt-pqgvA

Since Tesla's have massive battery packs that keep the car centered with a low center of gravity, they are much less likely to roll - and one of the reasons why virtually every international safety institute gives Tesla's the highest safety rating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo9TuukgVxU

So between Wookie and Socal we have:

Socal claims that Teslas have one of the lowest centers of gravity of any vehicle - that's fine for 1-car accidents.

Wookie claims that most accidents are 2-car, usually rear-end but every so often there's a catastrophic T-bone smashup. Biggest and highest chassis wins almost always.

You guys are talking at cross purposes. Teslas are low to the ground and will fare worse against GMC Suburbans and their like. If you're fucked up and lose control of your car with no one else around, then the Tesla is probably less likely to roll over and kill you.

stereotomy says

You guys are talking at cross purposes. Teslas are low to the ground and will fare worse against GMC Suburbans and their like. If you're fucked up and lose control of your car with no one else around, then the Tesla is probably less likely to roll over and kill you.

Rolling isn't the issue. Damn near half the cars personal or commercially are much bigger. I learned my driving habits driving a small car in Chicago traffic. You will die in a second and your sensor cannot stop another car or god forbid semi.

Had a county worker friend split into 3 pieces getting hit. He was in your typical highway truck. Not a pickup, but a big boy. A Tesla or other sedan is not safe at highway speeds. Running out of battery on a highway is a death wish with a Tesla. 80,000lbs of truck hitting your ass and you don't live.

Has nothing to do with speeds. It's weight of what hits you that your sensors have no control over. I'll only drive full sized SUV's the rest of my life. I don't care about gas. I'm not poor. I don't care about speed. Utility and A to B. All other things are bull shit. Give me a cassette player for all I care. There's too many distractions driving. Just drive.

stereotomy says

Teslas are low to the ground and will fare worse against GMC Suburbans and their like

A school bus or semi truck will take out a GMC Suburban because it is simply bigger. Hell, a Cybertruck will take them all out. Apples and oranges.

Thought we were arguing something specific about Tesla's OVERALL design and resultant safety? Tesla has big and small cars.

All those North American and European safety scores I linked above takes overall safety into account.

The high fatality rates were attributed mostly due to reckless driving.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

"Just about 15 minutes down the road from Devil’s Slide is Moss Beach Distillery."

I've been there. It's OK.

socal2 says

A school bus or semi truck will take out a GMC Suburban because it is simply bigger. Hell, a Cybertruck will take them all out. Apples and oranges.

Nope. Not true at all. A 16k lbs truck hit my wife's car, totaled it and the kids didn't even know they were in an accident. This isn't 3rd person anecdotal. This happened to my family. I'd never put them in a Tesla. Ever. You can't change my mind on that.

This wasn't a pickup truck. It was a fully loaded box truck. They all walked away. Not a scratch. No chance in a Tesla. The truck would have been on my kids heads and probably dead. No hyperbolic either. I was there.

Patrick says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

"Just about 15 minutes down the road from Devil’s Slide is Moss Beach Distillery."

I've been there. It's OK.

Is there any left now?

socal2 says

Eric Holder says

Are you implying that the percentage of idiots is higher among Tesla drivers so much so they manage to kill themselves even in Devil Slide proof car?

I'm suggesting that performance cars and muscle cars have higher fatality rates because........they do.
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/latest-driver-death-rates-highlight-dangers-of-muscle-cars

Even base model Teslas are faster and more powerful than most muscle and performance cars. So no surprise that some wine moms driving their 3's and Y's around town might let the car get away from them not realizing the power they have available.

Eh? I have an old RWD sedan which is on par with base RWD Model3 performance-wise (260 hp, 5.8 sec to 60, 145 mph top speed). I don't see it as challenging to drive. Also I've driven Model 3 in both RWD and AWD spec and Model Y LR AWD and again didn't have my socks blown off. These are not Ferraris for sure. Not even V8 Mustangs as far as getting yourself into trouble goes. You can't even disable the electronic nannies. So no, not buying the "supercar in Corolla garb" spin.