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Yeah, they aren't meant for cold weather. Which is why I think they're reaching market saturation for sales. They'll still sell, but not nearly at the pace they have been the past 3-5 years.

I've been a "hater" but still have never ruled out getting one. I just don't want a sedan or tiny SUV size. And it's a big hell no on trucks. Give me a full sized SUV with 400 miles range, 300 with towing and you have a customer potentially. Until then I'm out.

Ceffer says

Hell the CA residents that lost their homes and had only Teslas when you evacuated. I'm sure the super chargers have no lines at all (eye roll) and won't for years. I suspect the inventory of used Teslas is going to skyrocket over the next year at least.

If you can afford transport out of state and have wanted a low mile Tesla I'd be looking at used in 6 months in the LA area. I think a lot of people are going to dump them. I'd bet the homeowners in the areas burning 1 Tesla per house or .75 if averaged out.

Basically I think the fire is a bigger issue for Tesla as EV owners freak out. Hotels only have so many chargers. CA has the most super chargers, but what happens when the next big quake hits? Or more fires? That has to go through intelligent people's minds. You can drive 400 miles in most cars on a single tank. Gas stations were designed for that.

The cold weather is a massive issue. You get stranded here in IL right now at 5ºF, enjoy with no heat or power. If a husband or wife have a Tesla around here they have to have a third ICE vehicle. So at minimum you're insuring and maintaining another car that you won't use in the summer. I guess that's cheaper than gas... said no one.

Road trip in an EV VW Bus:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbsduv0vezo

https://t.me/STFNVIDEO/37039

https://wolfstreet.com/2025/02/03/tesla-sales-got-crushed-in-q4-in-california-its-largest-us-market-non-tesla-ev-sales-jumped-to-a-record-ice-vehicle-sales-dipped/

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

https://wolfstreet.com/2025/02/03/tesla-sales-got-crushed-in-q4-in-california-its-largest-us-market-non-tesla-ev-sales-jumped-to-a-record-ice-vehicle-sales-dipped/

Vast majority of CA is liberal. They don't like Elon aligning with Trump. What they don't understand is Elon gives no shits. His money is already in the bank. He's collected on other businesses. If he has $100M in a fund he can live off that on 2% interest for his life. He has $250,000,000,000 in wealth.

He can live on interest of $2M/yr and still slowly draw it down. Likely long term gains, so taxed lower. The shareholders are the ones that will take a bit of a beating with Tesla. I've said it in other comments that market saturation is near. Some people don't want EV's and never will. Or they're problematic in your location like IL. Or your sales person that needs to drive 400 miles a day which isn't uncommon.

Ford’s F-150 Lightning Is falling behind Tesla’s Cybertruck in deepening EV crisis

(Bloomberg) — Just a year ago, Jesse Acosta fell in love with the smoothness and speed of his new Ford F-150 Lightning (F), an electric version of Ford’s best-selling truck. Now, he wants to get rid of it.

The Lightning’s stated range is 230 miles (370 kilometers), but reality never seems to reflect the conditions necessary to achieve that. As soon as he starts climbing through the mountains on the 130-mile trip from Fresno to his parents’ place in Capitola, the load on the battery depletes the range until it’s down to 40 miles of power. Though he’s never been stranded, the fear of running out of juice spoils every trip. “I’ve had it for a year and the one thing you can’t discount is just how nerve-racking it is,” Acosta, 41, said.

The EV market has turned as mainstream car buyers balk at high prices and spotty charging infrastructure. While the global slowdown hit every automaker, it’s left Ford Motor Co. especially vulnerable because the company has no new EV models coming for more than two years. The manufacturer abandoned plans to build 2 million electric vehicles by 2026, along with any near-term hope of earning a return on the tens of billions of dollars it’s poured into developing battery-powered models.

Rivals have begun rolling out their own electric models — including innovative, lower-cost options — and it will take years to execute on a strategy that could make Ford more competitive. President Donald Trump may make that task more difficult. He’s threatened to impose 25% tariffs on goods from Mexico, where Ford builds its Mustang Mach-E, and to strike a $7,500 consumer tax credit that helps dealers sell battery-powered cars.

“Ford has stalled,” said David Whiston, an analyst with Morningstar Inc., who rates Ford the equivalent of a buy. “For the next couple years, it’s probably going to be pretty ugly for them on the EV side.” As Ford’s EV losses reached a record last year, the stock fell almost 19%. The shares are flat so far this year as Trump’s tariff threats against Mexico and Canada have roiled auto stocks.

Ford is expected to give a forecast on its EV losses and overall business when it posts fourth-quarter results on Wednesday.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ford-f-150-lightning-falling-110009399.html

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Don't forget the insurance premiums.

It's because the Chinese are sooooooooo far advanced in electric vehicles, they have the lithium the cars need, battery manufacturing, self-driving etc.

They also beat Tesla on price.

The European auto industry is fucked. They ain't tariffing the Chinese enough.

Misc says

The European auto industry is fucked. They ain't tariffing the Chinese enough.

They will simply outright ban them. Like we do.

And it isn't just Chinese EVs but also ICE cars. They will dominate in sales elsewhere in the world.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

Misc says

The European auto industry is fucked. They ain't tariffing the Chinese enough.

They will simply outright ban them. Like we do.

And it isn't just Chinese EVs but also ICE cars. They will dominate in sales elsewhere in the world.

'Cept some counties like Brazil are charging them with petty crimes like importing slave labor.

WookieMan says

Some people don't want EV's and never will.

Bull Shit! Soon I'll be able to pop open the bottom, stick a couple of Duracell(™) batteries in and drive on. Who wouldn't want that? Why do you hate FREEDOM(™)?!

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

WookieMan says

Some people don't want EV's and never will.

Bull Shit! Soon I'll be able to pop open the bottom, stick a couple of Duracell(™) batteries in and drive on. Who wouldn't want that? Why do you hate FREEDOM(™)?!

No one wants them where we live and work. Our network is 2k deep friends, family and clients. 2 people have them. Illinoian's and people regionally are gonna have fun with their Teslas Monday to Friday with highs below 10ºF and lows in the negatives and snow finally on the ground. Point is cold AF

Hell my ICE SUV is having trouble starting because of the cold. Older battery, but again a battery. I think you lived in CA and in TX now. Those climates are fine for EV's. 1,000's of new owners in Chicago without a heated place to park are going to learn the negatives about EV's real quick this week... again.

I'm not anti EV, I'm just waiting for a car I want to buy that's EV. None of them are even close to the specs I want. We're building the electric charging/outlet into our new house for EV, but will probably just use it for a space heater at first for the garage. And I'm not overpaying for a car that I can get ICE $20k cheaper. That's 2 nice vacations for a family of five. Or 5 years worth of gas easy and oil changes. I like freedom. I hate being stranded though in ice cold weather.

But...what happened to the environment (and having the perceived right to sanctimoniously lecture the rest of us about it)?

Why didn't they give a flying fuck that Musk was a billionaire before?

RWSGFY says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Don't forget the insurance premiums.

@socal2 likes the ride, remember?

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

RWSGFY says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Don't forget the insurance premiums.

socal2 likes the ride, remember?

His money - his choice.

RWSGFY says

His money - his choice.

Yeah, I likely won't ever buy one, but if he's happy with it who gives a shit? My EV is a golf cart and I can zip around town no problem. This time of year no at 1ºF. Spring through fall it's fun.

I drive too far at least monthly. I can't have range anxiety and need towing capacity. Nothing provides that for under $100k. Not doing that.

And the Sneetches are turning on each other:

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

And the Sneetches are turning on each other:

Tesla has all the right enemies. Stock is taking a beating since its ATH after the election. But I am confident it will recover.

I was in uber Conservative Idaho last week onboarding a new employee and alot of the blue collar guys that work the construction and mining side of the business were praising Tesla and Elon. Alot of: "I used to hate EV's but finally got to drive in a Tesla and love what Elon and DOGE are doing!"

Picking up a new Tesla Model Y for the wife this weekend. She finally got convinced after experiencing the latest version of Full Self Driving this past month on my car taking it up to Los Angeles and back to visit friends.

Amazing deals right now for inventory Y's now that the new refreshed Juniper Y is being released this month.

Electric vehicles were a technology that has been forced on History. It ended the efficiency debate and created an ICE vs Electric car option.
It seems all other research and models were abandoned, and it's either ICE or Battery.
I saw a field with old Construction equipment in it yesterday. There was one of those huge lights you see on late night road crews. This one was an antique it wasn't a battery powered LED light. It had a 2 cylinder Diesel engine that powered a generator. My friend that was knowledgeable about them, said the thing will run for 12 to 15 hours on small tank of gas. That would be about 700 to 800 miles if that was a car traveling. It's a shame that Toyota ruined the thought of what a hybrid car could be. Their Prius was the ugliest car ever made, you could have taken the body panels off and replaced it with a AMC Pacer and it would have been an upgrade. I don't think they explored the hybrid option enough. In the case of the Toyota the engine was there to take over when the batteries got low or after acceleration. I think if there was will to do so. A hybrid car could be made where the ICE engine powers a generator that powers the electric motors. No battery arrays on the car at all, at no point would the car ever run on batteries alone. At no point would you ever have to plug the car into recharge.
I know that generator was for powering lights, and electric engines require much more energy than lights do. But has there really been a push to make generators as efficient as possible, while producing more Kw than ever?
I was reading about new electric motors that doesn't have any rare earth magnets in them, or switched reluctance motors.
They would seem to be more efficient as they don't have brushes or contact points on the shaft.

I wish Tesla would make a car that doesn't need a charging station. Fossil fuels will always be with us, they are a by product, in the refining of Oil. The process where we get lubricants, plastics and other by products from oil refining. Even if we eliminate ICE cars, then what do we do with all of the petrol?
Some greentards, suggest we burn in power plants. That's how fucking retarded they are.

Right, ICE engines have been developed so efficient they blow EVs out of the water. But those inventions have been left to die by govt subsidies for EVs.

We will have huge fields full of toxic waste Teslas and EVs that don't work any more, too expensive to fix or re-battery, but are too poisonous to economically recycle either. The HAZMAT burden is on the buyer, so they will just shove them off cliffs or remove ID and abandon them.

All green measures are designed to fail, and they aren't green to begin with, they are delusions.

Ceffer says

We will have huge fields full of toxic waste Teslas and EVs that don't work any more, too expensive to fix or re-battery, but are too poisonous to economically recycle either.

Doubtful.

Tesla batteries have huge value after the car is retired as it is much much easier and cheaper to recycle the Cobalt and Nickel out of a battery than to mine, refine and ship new material from half a world away.

In less than 50 years, we will likely be in a closed loop system where we have enough existing batteries we will no longer need to mine new material for it.

Get an EV if one wants one, I don't give a shit. Just don't be gay about it and pump it up for no reason like gays and hyper left wingers. There are better ICE cars 100%.

I'm for guns but I don't pump that to others. They can make their own choice. Buy an EV and go on your merry way. I feel like some have to justify having overpaid for a sedan. I sometimes can't sleep at night because my truck can only do 0-45 in 4 seconds instead of 2 seconds. Really, I cry about it... said no one.

Also not trusting a computer. Anyone ever own a computer for 5 years with not one issue? Nope. Now you're fine trusting a computer to move you? Could be shut off remotely? I'm out for the foreseeable future. Plus no utility for my uses. I also have many mechanics that will drive to my house that likely have no idea how to work on a Tesla. Not paying for a 30 mile tow if the EV goes down. ICE ICE baby.

Again:

It was never about 'saving the environment'.

DeportLibtards says

Again:

It was never about 'saving the environment'.

People don't understand there is nothing to save. We have these things called trees, grass, plants, etc. that need CO2. We're actually saving the environment. I like my O2 or I'm dead. I like warmth. Water levels haven't risen.

The whole smog issues in the 80-90's was coal power plants. Which are still useful given the quantity we have. Just not in cities. Put a coal plant 20 miles from a suburb and it's just fine.

Nukes are best for power, but EV's put out more CO2 per car build. Which I'm fine with, just won't ever buy one.