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Misc says

The European auto industry is fucked. They ain't tariffing the Chinese enough.

They will simply outright ban them. Like we do.

And it isn't just Chinese EVs but also ICE cars. They will dominate in sales elsewhere in the world.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

Misc says

The European auto industry is fucked. They ain't tariffing the Chinese enough.

They will simply outright ban them. Like we do.

And it isn't just Chinese EVs but also ICE cars. They will dominate in sales elsewhere in the world.

'Cept some counties like Brazil are charging them with petty crimes like importing slave labor.

WookieMan says

Some people don't want EV's and never will.

Bull Shit! Soon I'll be able to pop open the bottom, stick a couple of Duracell(™) batteries in and drive on. Who wouldn't want that? Why do you hate FREEDOM(™)?!

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

WookieMan says

Some people don't want EV's and never will.

Bull Shit! Soon I'll be able to pop open the bottom, stick a couple of Duracell(™) batteries in and drive on. Who wouldn't want that? Why do you hate FREEDOM(™)?!

No one wants them where we live and work. Our network is 2k deep friends, family and clients. 2 people have them. Illinoian's and people regionally are gonna have fun with their Teslas Monday to Friday with highs below 10ºF and lows in the negatives and snow finally on the ground. Point is cold AF

Hell my ICE SUV is having trouble starting because of the cold. Older battery, but again a battery. I think you lived in CA and in TX now. Those climates are fine for EV's. 1,000's of new owners in Chicago without a heated place to park are going to learn the negatives about EV's real quick this week... again.

I'm not anti EV, I'm just waiting for a car I want to buy that's EV. None of them are even close to the specs I want. We're building the electric charging/outlet into our new house for EV, but will probably just use it for a space heater at first for the garage. And I'm not overpaying for a car that I can get ICE $20k cheaper. That's 2 nice vacations for a family of five. Or 5 years worth of gas easy and oil changes. I like freedom. I hate being stranded though in ice cold weather.

But...what happened to the environment (and having the perceived right to sanctimoniously lecture the rest of us about it)?

Why didn't they give a flying fuck that Musk was a billionaire before?

RWSGFY says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Don't forget the insurance premiums.

@socal2 likes the ride, remember?

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

RWSGFY says

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Don't forget the insurance premiums.

socal2 likes the ride, remember?

His money - his choice.

RWSGFY says

His money - his choice.

Yeah, I likely won't ever buy one, but if he's happy with it who gives a shit? My EV is a golf cart and I can zip around town no problem. This time of year no at 1ºF. Spring through fall it's fun.

I drive too far at least monthly. I can't have range anxiety and need towing capacity. Nothing provides that for under $100k. Not doing that.

And the Sneetches are turning on each other:

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

And the Sneetches are turning on each other:

Tesla has all the right enemies. Stock is taking a beating since its ATH after the election. But I am confident it will recover.

I was in uber Conservative Idaho last week onboarding a new employee and alot of the blue collar guys that work the construction and mining side of the business were praising Tesla and Elon. Alot of: "I used to hate EV's but finally got to drive in a Tesla and love what Elon and DOGE are doing!"

Picking up a new Tesla Model Y for the wife this weekend. She finally got convinced after experiencing the latest version of Full Self Driving this past month on my car taking it up to Los Angeles and back to visit friends.

Amazing deals right now for inventory Y's now that the new refreshed Juniper Y is being released this month.

Electric vehicles were a technology that has been forced on History. It ended the efficiency debate and created an ICE vs Electric car option.
It seems all other research and models were abandoned, and it's either ICE or Battery.
I saw a field with old Construction equipment in it yesterday. There was one of those huge lights you see on late night road crews. This one was an antique it wasn't a battery powered LED light. It had a 2 cylinder Diesel engine that powered a generator. My friend that was knowledgeable about them, said the thing will run for 12 to 15 hours on small tank of gas. That would be about 700 to 800 miles if that was a car traveling. It's a shame that Toyota ruined the thought of what a hybrid car could be. Their Prius was the ugliest car ever made, you could have taken the body panels off and replaced it with a AMC Pacer and it would have been an upgrade. I don't think they explored the hybrid option enough. In the case of the Toyota the engine was there to take over when the batteries got low or after acceleration. I think if there was will to do so. A hybrid car could be made where the ICE engine powers a generator that powers the electric motors. No battery arrays on the car at all, at no point would the car ever run on batteries alone. At no point would you ever have to plug the car into recharge.
I know that generator was for powering lights, and electric engines require much more energy than lights do. But has there really been a push to make generators as efficient as possible, while producing more Kw than ever?
I was reading about new electric motors that doesn't have any rare earth magnets in them, or switched reluctance motors.
They would seem to be more efficient as they don't have brushes or contact points on the shaft.

I wish Tesla would make a car that doesn't need a charging station. Fossil fuels will always be with us, they are a by product, in the refining of Oil. The process where we get lubricants, plastics and other by products from oil refining. Even if we eliminate ICE cars, then what do we do with all of the petrol?
Some greentards, suggest we burn in power plants. That's how fucking retarded they are.

Right, ICE engines have been developed so efficient they blow EVs out of the water. But those inventions have been left to die by govt subsidies for EVs.

We will have huge fields full of toxic waste Teslas and EVs that don't work any more, too expensive to fix or re-battery, but are too poisonous to economically recycle either. The HAZMAT burden is on the buyer, so they will just shove them off cliffs or remove ID and abandon them.

All green measures are designed to fail, and they aren't green to begin with, they are delusions.

Ceffer says

We will have huge fields full of toxic waste Teslas and EVs that don't work any more, too expensive to fix or re-battery, but are too poisonous to economically recycle either.

Doubtful.

Tesla batteries have huge value after the car is retired as it is much much easier and cheaper to recycle the Cobalt and Nickel out of a battery than to mine, refine and ship new material from half a world away.

In less than 50 years, we will likely be in a closed loop system where we have enough existing batteries we will no longer need to mine new material for it.

Get an EV if one wants one, I don't give a shit. Just don't be gay about it and pump it up for no reason like gays and hyper left wingers. There are better ICE cars 100%.

I'm for guns but I don't pump that to others. They can make their own choice. Buy an EV and go on your merry way. I feel like some have to justify having overpaid for a sedan. I sometimes can't sleep at night because my truck can only do 0-45 in 4 seconds instead of 2 seconds. Really, I cry about it... said no one.

Also not trusting a computer. Anyone ever own a computer for 5 years with not one issue? Nope. Now you're fine trusting a computer to move you? Could be shut off remotely? I'm out for the foreseeable future. Plus no utility for my uses. I also have many mechanics that will drive to my house that likely have no idea how to work on a Tesla. Not paying for a 30 mile tow if the EV goes down. ICE ICE baby.

Again:

It was never about 'saving the environment'.

DeportLibtards says

Again:

It was never about 'saving the environment'.

People don't understand there is nothing to save. We have these things called trees, grass, plants, etc. that need CO2. We're actually saving the environment. I like my O2 or I'm dead. I like warmth. Water levels haven't risen.

The whole smog issues in the 80-90's was coal power plants. Which are still useful given the quantity we have. Just not in cities. Put a coal plant 20 miles from a suburb and it's just fine.

Nukes are best for power, but EV's put out more CO2 per car build. Which I'm fine with, just won't ever buy one.

Still a TON of Teslas on the freeway coming up 680. I don't really think the hard core libbyfucks will really dent the market. They are also a kind of nerd flag and you know how many of them there are in Silicon Valley.

Tesla will be fine. The loss of sales from the far left will be equalized by the right buying them. All EV's issues coming up are going to be market saturation. If the car lasts 5-10 years there will be no new buyers. I think that's what we're seeing more than anything.

You also now have a used market after 10 years or so. Way less demand for new. EV makers are going to have to adjust their supply or lower prices. It's also not a feasible car north of I-80 in the states.

Proof positive that owning a Tesla had nothing to do with 'saving the environment'. It was all about what star the Sneetches had on their belly...until it wasn't.

And in Corona, CA:

In the flurry of recent endorsements have any of you cats been persuaded to buy a Tesla car yet?

I honked and waved at a cybertuck that was driving to the right of me on a city street. If it had stopped I would have mentioned the TOYOTA sticker trick to he/her/they/their/xi/xer/ . . . .

RWSGFY says

In the flurry of recent endorsements have any of you cats been persuaded to buy a Tesla car yet?

I got a 2nd one earlier this month. Love having 2 on my driveway as a big middle finger to the Commie Trans terrorists.

socal2 says

RWSGFY says

In the flurry of recent endorsements have any of you cats been persuaded to buy a Tesla car yet?

I got a 2nd one earlier this month. Love having 2 on my driveway as a big middle finger to the Commie Trans terrorists.

Anybody else?

PS. It's not like you needed the endorsements, lol.

Edmunds reported in July 2024 that 51 percent of Teslas traded in at dealerships in the first half of the year were swapped for gas-powered vehicles. And when Edmunds analyzed trade-ins all the way back in 2019, Tesla owners exchanged 71 percent of their models for gas vehicles—not replacement EVs or hybrids.

RWSGFY says

Edmunds reported in July 2024 that 51 percent of Teslas traded in at dealerships in the first half of the year were swapped for gas-powered vehicles. And when Edmunds analyzed trade-ins all the way back in 2019, Tesla owners exchanged 71 percent of their models for gas vehicles—not replacement EVs or hybrids.

Every Tesla owner I've ever spoken to in person, has said they will not buy another one.