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richwicks says

In 20 years, we'll just see this as a minor mania because the world won't be burning down (again) from climate change.

The goal is to make cars too expensive for anyone except the rich and politically connected. In 20 years, owning a car will be like owning a private jet today.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

In 20 years, we'll just see this as a minor mania because the world won't be burning down (again) from climate change.

The goal is to make cars too expensive for anyone except the rich and politically connected. In 20 years, owning a car will be like owning a private jet today.

In 20 years, we won't even have this government.

We're going to lose the proxy war in Ukraine, and that's going to jeopardize our hold over Europe. US sanctions don't matter, everybody just ignores them now or "technically" follow them, while entirely ignoring them. US has destroyed itself through 2 decades of pointless wars.

I think that it's only a matter of time before homeowner insurance companies drop or rate jack EV owners over all the EV's spontaneously combusting and taking the house with it.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

In 20 years, we'll just see this as a minor mania because the world won't be burning down (again) from climate change.

The goal is to make cars too expensive for anyone except the rich and politically connected. In 20 years, owning a car will be like owning a private jet today.

I’m not sure we have 20 years to wait.
The stuff going on in Israel and Russia right now is an indication that Bible prophecy is likely soon to be fulfilled. Remember, prophecy is not a prediction, it is a promise.

https://patrick.net/post/1378973/2023-04-02-the-rapture-thread?start=54

PeopleUnited says

The stuff going on in Israel and Russia right now is an indication that Bible prophecy is likely soon to be fulfilled. Remember, prophecy is not a prediction, it is a promise.

In the year 1000 AD and at many other times. people thought current events indicated the Bible prophesy coming to pass. Everyone thinks the end of the world will occur during their lifetimes.

zzyzzx says

I think that it's only a matter of time before homeowner insurance companies drop or rate jack EV owners over all the EV's spontaneously combusting and taking the house with it.

Here in California (and I suspect every other state), the state government heavily "manages" the so-called "private" insurance market. CA government is heavily invested in pushing EVs on everyone. So, they will mandate insurance companies offer low rates to EV vehicles even if it means they jack up rates on ICE vehicles. Dropping EVs won't be an allowed option, but we are seeing companies leave the state altogether (mostly for homeowner insurance because of forrest fires). As insurance companies leave the state, the government will rejoice, because it will give an excuse to take over the industry entirely—socialism for all!

HeadSet says

PeopleUnited says

The stuff going on in Israel and Russia right now is an indication that Bible prophecy is likely soon to be fulfilled. Remember, prophecy is not a prediction, it is a promise.

In the year 1000 AD and at many other times. people thought current events indicated the Bible prophesy coming to pass. Everyone thinks the end of the world will occur during their lifetimes.

Except you and 8.1 billion other humans?

SunnyvaleCA says

Dropping EVs won't be an allowed option

They will drop your homeowners insurance over the EV fire risk, or leave the state.

That or some newer batteries will be produced that don't catch on fire so much.

By the way the rapture is not the end of the world, it is the beginning of the closest thing to hell on earth. Imagine every single horror and disaster movie happening at the same time nonstop for 7 years. It will be worse than that! And then Jesus will return and set up his millennial kingdom in which he will rule on earth for a thousand years. After 1000 years Satan will be loosed for one last time and then the end will come.

So we are at least 1007 years before the end of the world. But when the rapture comes hell on earth begins, so best not be left behind!

Jesus and only Jesus can save and keep you from the great tribulation soon to be unleashed on the world by Satan and his minions.

I'm ready for hell. In fact, if Jesus comes toward me I'll thank Him,"Thank you Lord, for allowing me to drop my firearm. I am tired dispensing righteous wrath to the agents of Satan. Am I still not worthy to be enraptured?"

Christ would gently say "Ever since Michael flew off after the last kerfluffle with Lucifer back in the day, we've had to improvise somewhat. Tell you what, you just keep doing Our work for us, and we'll put a good word in when it's you're time at the Pearly Gates,"

I would say "Thanks Lord, if that is your will."

Christ would look askance at me and ask "And . . . "

I would then hopefully remember to say "You are my lord and personal savior. Whoever believes in you will sit with you at the right hand of the Father."

Every club has its code words.

Every fool has a cute story bro. And when you stand before God, let me know what He thinks.

Perhaps He will gently say, if you really believed me, why did you mock my sacrifice for your disobedience (sin) and make me pay for it on the cross? Why did you also mock my children who believe in me? For if you had repented I would know you, but I tell you the truth I never knew thee, depart from me ye that work iniquity.

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Look at the "entry level" electric vehicle, the Chevy Bolt with MSRP of around $26,500 and a range of about 260 miles.

Its been reported owners are easily getting 300 miles range.

Chevy needs a marketing campaign to show life cycle or total ownership costs for at least 10 years. Chevy guarantees the batteries for 100,000 miles. So figure based on 15,000 miles per year that is 6.7 years.

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Look at the "entry level" electric vehicle, the Chevy Bolt with MSRP of around $26,500 and a range of about 260 miles.

Its been reported owners are easily getting 300 miles range.

Chevy needs a marketing campaign to show life cycle or total ownership costs for at least 10 years. Chevy guarantees the batteries for 100,000 miles. So figure based on 15,000 miles per year that is 6.7 years.

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I had a Bolt EV on loan from Chevy for a week, as they were trying to sell the cab company I worked for a fleet of them. The car got about 230 miles in range on a full charge. I loved that car. The only issue is that Chevy limited the charge speed so from empty to full would take 2 hours on a Level 3 charger. I presume they did this to save the battery, as repeated fast charges, even on a Tesla, shorten battery life. Tesla owners are richer so are likely to have a Level 2 charger at home and use the Level 3 chargers only on road trips. The Bolt was aimed at a lower economic market that would include apartment dwellers who with no home charger would thus regularly use the Level 3 chargers. Therefore, Chevy limited the charge speed to preserve battery life. Unfortunately, nobody wants to wait 3 hours to charge a car while on a road trip. For those who stayed in town and lived in a house with a level 2 charger or even a accessible dryer plug, one could easily charge overnight. If one just used the Bolt as a commuter car and lived 10 miles from work, one could use plain old household 110v current to top off the car each night. At 110v, the Bolt recharged at about 4 miles per hour.

HeadSet says

I presume they did this to save the battery, as repeated fast charges, even on a Tesla, shorten battery life.

Yep.
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Minimum wage was $1.60 an hour back in 1970. Cars were affordable relative to minimum wage. You could spend 5 years earning minimum wage to comfortably paying off the car loan for a Maverick. City/Highway mileage was 17/22 only :-/

I like how Chevy Bolt similarly markets to the working class who may make $15 an hour.

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You could spend 5 years earning minimum wage to comfortably paying off the car loan for a Maverick.

True, but there were no 5 year loans back then. Then, as now, minimum wage earners made due with used cars. Today's used cars are a far better deal than used cars in the 1960s. A 5 year old car today likely has no issues and lots of life left, while a 5 year old car in 1969 likely was starting to burn oil, had broken door knobs, saggy seats, leaky heater core, rusted radiator, lots of rattles, brake issues, and rust. If one had a 5 year old car, it was likely you needed the services of AAMCO or the many other transmission specialists that used to exist in every town. 1970s cars were even worse.

Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working

https://www.businessinsider.com/auto-executives-coming-clean-evs-arent-working-2023-10?amp=

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Look at the "entry level" electric vehicle, the Chevy Bolt with MSRP of around $26,500 and a range of about 260 miles.

Its been reported owners are easily getting 300 miles range.

Chevy needs a marketing campaign to show life cycle or total ownership costs for at least 10 years. Chevy guarantees the batteries for 100,000 miles. So figure based on 15,000 miles per year that is 6.7 years.

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They killed it. Bolt is no more.

No vax, no charging station. Oh yeah, and your bank account is frozen, too.

I agree as make these cars readily available like Henry Ford promoted the Model T and how Lee Iaocca promoted the Chrysler K car.

Prius hybrid is only about $28,000 MSRP

Chevy Bolt is only about $27,000 MSRP

Costs are going down for electric vehicles as these MSRP prices are cheap when considering they are before any government rebate or subsidy

I like that the Prius hybrid has both an electric motor and gasoline engine.
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I like that the Prius hybrid has both an electric motor and gasoline engine.

The new Prius Prime is somewhat sporting looking with about twice the HP as prior models: 200. I think at 50mpg it's more efficient as well.

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Chevy Bolt is only about $27,000 MSRP

Bolt is discontinued. Most cheap cars will be.

Hybrids are not EVs. Can't be compared.

https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/chevrolet-bolt-discontinued/

PumpingRedheads says

Hybrids are not EVs. Can't be compared.

Yes, I understand as the range is about 44 miles for a Toyota Prius Hybrid on the electric batteries and electric motor. So its good as far as commuting to work and then charging it at night. Its a commuter car for electric vehicle (EV) mode.

Nissan Leaf has a base MSRP of $28,140.

I just saw Tesla's website which shows a $31,490 MSRP for Tesla 3.

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A Chinese satellite can fly over and make them all blow up at the same time. Better than carpet bombing in WWII.

28K is not cheap for a base car. That 28K gets you hubcaps, cloth upholstery, and crank window handles.

Also as I keep finding out with Mazda over the years, they never ever have a base model in stock. You go there for a 18K car, and all they had was 27 to 35K cars.

Tenpoundbass says

Also as I keep finding out with Mazda over the years, they never ever have a base model in stock. You go there for a 18K car, and all they had was 27 to 35K cars.

I understand. We got lucky back around April 2021 with the lowest price Honda CRV (white color) at $32,000 out the door with extended warranty (100,000 miles or 8 years) and 1.5% financing for 6 years.

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Tenpoundbass says

Also as I keep finding out with Mazda over the years, they never ever have a base model in stock. You go there for a 18K car, and all they had was 27 to 35K cars.

Yes, just like trying to buy a 2-door pickup truck and all the dealers have on the lot are the upscale 4 door versions.

I want the cheap Chinese EVs to flood the market so I can watch peeps have gunfights over the charging stations.

At my apartment laundry, if some asshole leaves their done laundry in the machine for more than 20 min, I pull their crap out and put on top of the machine so I can start my laundry. I expect the same treatment if I leave my clothes in there too long.

EV geeks are already doing the same with parked EVs that are done charging. Only the spoiled EV owners are used to having their own laundry machines so go ballistic.

PumpingRedheads says

I want the cheap Chinese EVs to flood the market so I can watch peeps have gunfights over the charging stations.

At my apartment laundry, if some asshole leaves their done laundry in the machine for more than 20 min, I pull their crap out and put on top of the machine so I can start my laundry. I expect the same treatment if I leave my clothes in there too long.

EV geeks are already doing the same with parked EVs that are done charging. Only the spoiled EV owners are used to having their own laundry machines so go ballistic.

"The same" meaning they put EVs of spoiled owners on top of the chargers? 🤡

So China is striking while the Iron is being submerged in ice water. I think the tech challenges, failures, hazards, and charging logistics, is what is going to do it in. Even if they sold EVs for $3500, eventually local fire safety and electrical codes, will put the brakes on it

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/report-googles-green-dream-goes-downhill-100-electric/

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/11/06/self-driving-disaster-gms-cruise-enters-damage-control-mode-over-robotaxi-fiasco/

PumpingRedheads says

I want the cheap Chinese EVs to flood the market so I can watch peeps have gunfights over the charging stations.

I do not think it will get to that point. If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM. Also how often, such as once every two weeks. The goal of the EV mandate is not to get less carbon than ICE, it is to curtail driving by the public.

HeadSet says

If we have a flood of EVs, they will come equipped with electronics that will limit when you can charge, such as Tuesdays between noon and 4 PM.

They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.

PumpingRedheads says

They don't have that here or anywhere else in the world.

10 years ago we would not shut down the country for a cold and force injections. If everyone has an electric car and the corresponding demand on the grid, we will have charging restrictions.

I think ultimately they want Government controlled on demand EV's that you don't actually own yourself. But a taxi or government self driving Uber.
Or even all electric buses.

As that would be the ONLY way electric vehicles for the masses will be feasible. A scenario where local Electric companies can set up power stations, that's sole purpose are to charge hundreds or thousands of EVs, and can control the wattage without it bringing down the grid.
The best place for Charging stations would be right outside the gate of an FP&L power plant.

About to become more expensive to charge the EV.

EV Charging Station SPACs go SPLAT!

https://wolfstreet.com/2023/11/17/the-collapse-of-ev-charger-spacs-chargepoint-ceo-sacked-cfo-out-revenues-plunge-losses-mount-shares-96-from-peak-evgo-not-far-behind/

PumpingRedheads says

About to become more expensive to charge the EV.

EV Charging Station SPACs go SPLAT!

https://wolfstreet.com/2023/11/17/the-collapse-of-ev-charger-spacs-chargepoint-ceo-sacked-cfo-out-revenues-plunge-losses-mount-shares-96-from-peak-evgo-not-far-behind/

Chargepoint is a fucking joke: their shitty chargers are just 6kW, which means it takes fucking hours to add any meaningful range.

Reality says

Brake jobs are necessary on BEV's every year due to rust/sticking thanks to lack of use.

I'm not sure about lack of use part: I once was at a stoplight next to a ModelX and noticed that the front brake rotor had a very pronounced ridge around the edge, meaning they were at least 1-2mm down from the original thickness. Now, this is not unusual for ICE cars and on average happens after 50-80K miles (depending on the pad compaund), but having this much wear doesn't really fit with the "EVs don't use brakes at all" narrative. Of course that ModelX could've had 400K miles on the clock - we'll never know.