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2025 Oct 22, 9:13am   7,217 views  1,626 comments

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527   GNL   2024 Jan 27, 7:13pm  

You're a rich guy right, Eman? Why not get yourself a real car.


530   GNL   2024 Jan 27, 7:16pm  

Why does Tesla feel they must be different to the point of making ugly vehicles? They have even less, I assume, restraints on design.
531   HeadSet   2024 Jan 27, 7:29pm  

GNL says

Why does Tesla focus on making ugly vehicles? They have even less, I assume, restraints on design.

Status. While some one may mistake your Model 3 for a Nissan or Toyota, no one will mistake that cybertruck for anything but a Tesla.
532   HeadSet   2024 Jan 27, 7:34pm  

Eman says

The Cybertruck may look unconventional to some, but beauty is in the eye of the behold

True, but Honda and GM tried a different look for a pickup (original Honda Ridgeline, Chevy Avalanche, Cadillac Escalade Truck), but all went back to the conventional looking pickup.
533   GNL   2024 Jan 27, 8:00pm  

Tesla's design is not an improvement. No, in fact it's a downgrade in design and functionality.
534   GNL   2024 Jan 27, 8:05pm  

Beauty is beauty. I guess Tesla doesn't believe they can compete with beautiful cars. Seriously, no one ever creates something with the intent of the thing being ugly. Or do they? Are there any examples of where a manufacturer created something with the intention of the thing look different for the sole purpose of looking different? Even to the point that 1. The design sucks 2. It's fugly and 3. It was/is a successful product?
535   GNL   2024 Jan 27, 8:12pm  

Communism always creates ugly shit.
536   Eman   2024 Jan 27, 8:13pm  

GNL says

You're a rich guy right, Eman? Why not get yourself a real car.




What is your definition of rich? What is a real car? Honest questions. There must be some basis to compare.

A buyer of a Tesla Model S is not in a market for a Camry hybrid or not. A person buying a new Model X is not in the market for a Rav 4 or a Nissan Armada, forget about a used one. This is why I insisted on comparing apples to apples.
537   Eman   2024 Jan 27, 8:18pm  

HeadSet says

Eman says


The Cybertruck may look unconventional to some, but beauty is in the eye of the behold

True, but Honda and GM tried a different look for a pickup (original Honda Ridgeline, Chevy Avalanche, Cadillac Escalade Truck), but all went back to the conventional looking pickup.

I guess this is why the Rivian truck is doing well? It’s more conventional looking than the Cybertruck? People vote with their checkbook. Let’s give it a year or two and see how the Cybertruck does compared to the Rivian. I don’t think the Ford Lightning is doing as well as the Rivian.
538   GNL   2024 Jan 27, 8:37pm  

Eman says


What is your definition of rich? What is a real car? Honest questions. There must be some basis to compare.

I assume your income is in the 7 figures. A real car is, IMO, a car that can go anywhere at any time. Tesla cannot do that.
539   PeopleUnited   2024 Jan 27, 8:43pm  

GNL says

Eman says



What is your definition of rich? What is a real car? Honest questions. There must be some basis to compare.

I assume your income is in the 7 figures. A real car is, IMO, a car that can go anywhere at any time. Tesla cannot do that.



Anywhere, any time! 3.5 mpg.
540   RWSGFY   2024 Jan 27, 9:05pm  

GNL says

Beauty is beauty. I guess Tesla doesn't believe they can compete with beautiful cars. Seriously, no one ever creates something with the intent of the thing being ugly. Or do they? Are there any examples of where a manufacturer created something with the intention of the thing look different for the sole purpose of looking different? Even to the point that 1. The design sucks 2. It's fugly and 3. It was/is a successful product?


Model S looks good. The rest look worse because stretching or shrinking of the original rarely match, let alone exceed it.
541   rocketjoe79   2024 Jan 27, 10:47pm  

UkraineIsFucked says







It also turns out Mississippi has the lowest per capita income of all states. California is top 5, and very high population.
Charts can lie.
542   Booger   2024 Jan 28, 6:41am  

It was never about EV vs REAL CARS. It was a trap.

https://youtu.be/fNK0mUhRKDo?si=rtHYa1l4aqvIjNfg
543   GNL   2024 Jan 28, 7:11am  

PeopleUnited says

GNL says


Eman says




What is your definition of rich? What is a real car? Honest questions. There must be some basis to compare.

I assume your income is in the 7 figures. A real car is, IMO, a car that can go anywhere at any time. Tesla cannot do that.




Anywhere, any time! 3.5 mpg.

I didn't mean to include rock climbing. I meant anywhere as in the car won't be stranded because there's nowhere to charge it. Let's see a Telsa go the length of route 66 without getting stranded.
544   Eman   2024 Jan 28, 8:35am  

GNL says

Eman says



What is your definition of rich? What is a real car? Honest questions. There must be some basis to compare.

I assume your income is in the 7 figures. A real car is, IMO, a car that can go anywhere at any time. Tesla cannot do that.

Is your definition of rich making 7 figures/year? Not rich is making less?

By your definition, Tesla is a real car FOR US. We haven’t had any issues going anywhere we wanted to go FOR US. We don’t own an ICE car and don’t see us going back to one in the future. 4 of our siblings are 100% Tesla households. Some are 50/50. Some get free charging at work. They work for where we live. That’s why I repeatedly said do what works for us. Do what we can control. No need to force anyone to do anything.
545   Eman   2024 Jan 28, 8:45am  

GNL says

Beauty is beauty. I guess Tesla doesn't believe they can compete with beautiful cars. Seriously, no one ever creates something with the intent of the thing being ugly. Or do they? Are there any examples of where a manufacturer created something with the intention of the thing look different for the sole purpose of looking different? Even to the point that 1. The design sucks 2. It's fugly and 3. It was/is a successful product?

To your points, which products, could you think of, that have an ugly design and a success?

If the Cybertruck outsold the Rivian, Ford Lightning, and Hummer trucks combined in the next year or two, would you consider it’s a success?
546   GNL   2024 Jan 28, 9:05am  

Eman says

No need to force anyone to do anything.

But that's not what's going to happen. I believe things will become more and more restrictive.
547   GNL   2024 Jan 28, 9:07am  

Eman says


If the Cybertruck outsold the Rivian, Ford Lightning, and Hummer trucks combined in the next year or two, would you consider it’s a success?

Yes, depending on how many years. Hummer was big. Now I don't see them at all. Are we going to compare each vehicle at their highest sales volumes? Lots of vehicles are going to go the way of the Dodo bird simply because of the government. EVs have an unfare advantage going forward, no? I believe something similar happened that helped the VW bug sell more cars than ever in history. Would you really call that success?
548   Eman   2024 Jan 28, 9:40am  

All EV trucks are on the same playing field aren’t they? This is why I compare this “fugly” Cybertruck to other conventional looking trucks. If the goal is for the Cybertruck to over taken the F-150, I don’t see it happening.

I’m a realist. I like to compare apples to apples. I won’t wast my time with people who compare apples to oranges to make a point.

Going back to your definition of “rich”. What is your definition? I can’t answer your question if I’m rich, or not, without knowing your definition.
549   GNL   2024 Jan 28, 10:05am  

Ok, you're saying let's see if the cybertruck outsells other EV trucks? In that case, well I'm not sure. I can't imagine anyone would want the cyber truck over a "normal" looking EV truck all things considered. Yes, I guess we'll see.

Is top 10% considered rich any more?
550   Eman   2024 Jan 28, 10:21am  

GNL says

Ok, you're saying let's see if the cybertruck outsells other EV trucks? In that case, well I'm not sure. I can't imagine anyone would want the cyber truck over a "normal" looking EV truck all things considered. Yes, I guess we'll see.

Is top 10% considered rich any more?

I don’t know. You tell me since you’re the one asking the question. I don’t know what is considered rich. As I mentioned before, households in the Bay Area making $350-$500k/year consider themselves “middle class”. Is that middle class to you?
551   GNL   2024 Jan 28, 11:12am  

350-500 is upper middle class where I live. Certainly at the 500 mark.
553   MolotovCocktail   2024 Jan 28, 4:47pm  

Eman says

Very interesting. Who would have thought?



https://x.com/teslaconomics/status/1751653318362108182?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q


What? A bunch of photoahopped Tesla Fluffing bullshit?
554   GNL   2024 Jan 28, 5:02pm  

UkraineIsFucked says

Eman says


Very interesting. Who would have thought?



https://x.com/teslaconomics/status/1751653318362108182?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q


What? A bunch of photoahopped Tesla Fluffing bullshit?

Photoshop is the first thing I thought also.
555   Eman   2024 Jan 28, 5:43pm  

Not sure if it’s photoshop or not. I don’t speak the language, but heard the lady said “Cybertruck” in the video.

https://x.com/ray4tesla/status/1751648079525327166?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q
556   Eman   2024 Jan 28, 5:49pm  

This is from Tesla Shanghai Analyst. Can’t be fake, or can it?

https://x.com/teslashanghai/status/1751540422722138413?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q
557   Eman   2024 Jan 28, 7:17pm  

Will this guy learn it the hard way, or will the Cybertruck serve his needs just fine?



https://x.com/pmgraham86/status/1751569563412484149?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q
558   MolotovCocktail   2024 Jan 28, 8:46pm  

Eman says

This is from Tesla Shanghai Analyst. Can’t be fake, or can it?

https://x.com/teslashanghai/status/1751540422722138413?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q


Definitely. Fluffing is Fluffing.
559   Eman   2024 Jan 28, 9:46pm  

Interesting Cybertruck is not road legal in China. Why display something that Tesla cannot sell? 🤔



https://x.com/ray4tesla/status/1751812174115443008?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q
560   Eman   2024 Jan 28, 9:58pm  

Why do some Chinese want to buy this not road legal Cybertruck? It’s either the coolest or the most hated truck for people.

https://x.com/jayinshanghai/status/1751788955580956853?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q
561   RWSGFY   2024 Jan 29, 7:53am  

Saw at least 15 of these angular chariots yesterday while passing by local
Tesla $tealership. It's habbening! I bet next weekend there will be traffic jam on Lake Tahoe Blvd 80% made out of them.
562   HeadSet   2024 Jan 29, 10:05am  

RWSGFY says

Saw at least 15 of these angular chariots yesterday while passing by local
Tesla $tealership. It's habbening! I bet next weekend there will be traffic jam on Lake Tahoe Blvd 80% made out of them.

Tesla has dealerships now?
563   RWSGFY   2024 Jan 29, 10:15am  

HeadSet says


RWSGFY says


Saw at least 15 of these angular chariots yesterday while passing by local
Tesla $tealership. It's habbening! I bet next weekend there will be traffic jam on Lake Tahoe Blvd 80% made out of them.

Tesla has dealerships now?



Always had.


564   HeadSet   2024 Jan 29, 12:48pm  

RWSGFY says

Always had.

Interesting. I thought Tesla was direct sales only since a few years back in Virginia there was a court case about Tesla flouting a state law about how car manufacturers must sell through dealerships. I did a quick and found a Tesla dealership in Norfolk, VA, as well.
565   RWSGFY   2024 Jan 29, 12:51pm  

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says


Always had.

Interesting. I thought Tesla was direct sales only since a few years back in Virginia there was a court case about Tesla flouting a state law about how car manufacturers must sell through dealerships. I did a quick and found a Tesla dealership in Norfolk, VA, as well.


They are Tesla-owned $tealerships.

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