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Eman says

Yup, the instant torque is addictive

What’s the skidpad and weight distribution? I used to own a Miata. Not fast but perfectly balanced with a decent skidpad - taking curves was a blast, especially with the manual trans.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Eman says

Yup, the instant torque is addictive

What’s the skidpad and weight distribution? I used to own a Miata. Not fast but perfectly balanced with a decent skidpad - taking curves was a blast, especially with the manual trans.

“In addition to its near 50/50 weight distribution, Model 3 was also designed with an extremely low polar moment of inertia, which means that its heaviest components are located closer to the car’s center of gravity.”

https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury-any-vehicle-ever-tested-nhtsa

“Not a believer? Floor it from a stop and try a few 30-to-50-mph pulls. This is a car that flirts with 1 g both on the skidpad, with a 0.96 g effort, and in gut-punching acceleration. An over-the-air update that was delivered back in 2019 promised a 5 percent increase of power to all Model 3s, and the Performance will pin you back in the seat like a supercar.”

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a36329678/2019-tesla-model-3-performance-by-the-numbers/

Thanks for the question. I had no idea what skidpad was. I would wait for the new model 3 performance to be released in a few months. The reviews for the new model 3 have been amazing.

I drove a Miata for a few days during my W2 days. My BIL borrowed my truck and gave me his Miata to commute to work then. Small fun little car to drive, but it seemed unstable once I hit 85-90 mph.

My neighbor had a Miata for the longest time. Now, he drives a model 3.

GNL says

Show me any car on the market today more beautiful than this restomod. A car like this is as reliable as a car made in 2024 and will feel like a modern one too.

I’m a consumer. I see an old car, and I see nothing but troubles. 😅

If money were not an option, I would like a Lambo Aventador, or a Ferrari SF90 or a McLaren 720S. The picture doesn’t do justice but I saw 3 of them yesterday on the freeway. These would be fun and status cars. Tesla….? 😂 everyone and their mother drive one here in the Bay Area.

Wife took the photo. I told her should we get one for our garage? She said nooo. I’m setting her up so when I can get the Tesla Roadster at a fraction of the cost with much much lower maintenance cost when the time comes. 🤣

Eman says

unstable once I hit 85-90 mph.

I think “darty" is the word. :>))

GNL says

I consider 60s era restomods as art. Some people see beauty in different things...paintings, furniture, houses, jewelry, vases etc.

I like old cars and agree with you. There are cool nostalgic cars for sure. I don't like it, but my neighbor has the wood station wagon. Makes me smile every time I see it.

My thing is spending more money on fast cars makes zero sense in my world. Speeding is illegal and reckless for you and others on the road. I've had a few friends injured or die in wrecks where they were driving like idiots.

And if my grammar and typing are off today I was out till 3am. Fun night.

Eman says

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Never got the speed thing

I don't really speed above the limit, I just accelerate to the speed limit as fast as possible at every opportunity. With a Tesla, you can do that without making loud engine noise, burning your tires out or smoking your brakes. You can have so much fun driving aggressively (legally) and doing it stealthy without being an obnoxious douche and waking up the neighborhood.

IT NEVER GETS OLD. At least for me.

That, and I have tons of hills and fun roads to drive on in my area. Can't stand climbing hills in my wife's Hyundai as it downshifts and struggles...

Yup, the instant torque is addictive. It never gets old, and it puts a smile on our face every time we drive it. Going up the hills, dead stop and we can just zoom off the moment we can go again without any struggles. Being able to zip in stealth mode is fun. NoMoICE.

Check out your laws. Accelerating fast will get you pulled over even if not speeding even if tires aren't squealing or a loud engine. It's dangerous and that's not really an argument. You shouldn't do it. No one can hear the car either. I don't understand how anyone could think that's responsible driving? And CA drivers are notoriously bad as I've personally witnessed during my visits. Like really bad. Worst state I've driven in.

Enjoy the day you hit a kid going 0-40mph in 1 second. It's a when not if situation. Especially in CA. But hey, overpaying $20k+ plus for a depreciating vehicle is the smart thing to do... lol. I'll take my savings and invest it, cover my gas and laugh at the EV owners all day. It's a mid life crisis purchase. Just own it. Used to be a Corvette. That's what you're driving. I just rent what I want and don't have to deal with higher insurance and hassle. It's like owning a boat.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Eman says

Yup, the instant torque is addictive

What’s the skidpad and weight distribution? I used to own a Miata. Not fast but perfectly balanced with a decent skidpad - taking curves was a blast, especially with the manual trans.

Go give the existing model 3 a demo drive. It’s free. Nothing to lose if you don’t like it. The model 3 performance is coming soon. It will sell like hot cakes IMO. I’ll likely drop $55k to buy it. It’ll be my new daily drive.

https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1761802489626521930?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

i live in a country. electric mowers and tractors are nonstarter. they don’t last, charge forever, it stalls across the field, you are fucked, go tow damn thing.

tech needs to be improved a lot. right now i see those as just fun toys for people in the city with spare change.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

i live in a country. electric mowers and tractors are nonstarter. they don’t last, charge forever, it stalls across the field, you are fucked, go tow damn thing.

tech needs to be improved a lot. right now i see those as just fun toys for people in the city with spare change.

They literally only work in cities. Which one shouldn't want to live in if they were smart. We were driving a UTV or SXS through farmland last night. Gotta learn the country life. No cops and you can do what you want and everyone respects each other.

I don't want a douche nozzle car. I want a V-8 that can drive anywhere. Costs less even with gas. I don't even get the back and forth on this. I'd rather have toys instead of overpriced EV's. I've driven a Tesla. Last night was exponentially more fun. But what do I know?

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

i live in a country. electric mowers and tractors are nonstarter. they don’t last, charge forever, it stalls across the field, you are fucked, go tow damn thing.

tech needs to be improved a lot. right now i see those as just fun toys for people in the city with spare change.

The EV will let you know how much battery life is left so you don't get stranded. Unlike a golf cart, if it’s about to die due to technical reason, it will let you know too.

I wouldn’t say it’s just a fun toy, it serves dual purposes for people living in the city. Just my 2 cents.

Most of my tools are battery powered. The same with the lawn trimmer/edger, hedge trimmer and blower, but I live in a suburban area with a standard lot size.

“Enjoy the day you hit a kid going 0-40mph in 1 second. It's a when not if situation.”

One thing I know is that you wish ill will on others. Fast cars have been around forever, not just now. How often do we hear people driving a fast car hitting a kid, or just a car hitting a kid? How often do you hear people driving a big SUV hitting a kid?

Eman says

The EV will let you know how much battery life is left so you don't get stranded. Unlike a golf cart, if it’s about to die due to technical reason, it will let you know too.

I swear you're a liar at this point dude. I know Tesla. They're not bad. This is the current state of my golf cart...

You own a golf cart that has no utility. Only works in a city. Just own it. It accelerates fast for a 35-45mph speed limit. That cost $20-50k more than a similar car... I don't get this conversation. I'm not the smartest person in the room, but in this case at no point has anyone proven me wrong.

A BMS is basic at this point and it works on most or all lithium batteries. Tesla is not something new. These existed before.

Eman says

I see an old car, and I see nothing but troubles.

It's because you simply don't know or understand what's possible to achieve with these vehicles and the huge market built around this hobby.

I said “technical” reason. You’re not part of the Tesla community where people share issues they have had with their cars. Sometimes, Tesla would notify people the issue before it even happened and had it fixed.

Calling me a liar without any proof while you’re admitting you’re a liar. 🙄

GNL says

Eman says

I see an old car, and I see nothing but troubles.

It's because you simply don't know or understand what's possible to achieve with these vehicles and the huge market built around this hobby.

That’s why I don’t have an appreciation for them. I’m a consumer, and I want trouble free cars. Owned a few MBZ, and I’ll never buy them again. Other than they’re safe when an accident occurs, they’re costly to maintain especially after 100k miles….at least from my personal experience. My buddy used to own Bimmers and Audi, and he’s done with them too.

Eman says

I’m a consumer, and I want trouble free cars.

Again, you're missing it. These vehicles are trouble free.

Eman says

Wife took the photo. I told her should we get one for our garage? She said nooo. I’m setting her up so when I can get the Tesla Roadster at a fraction of the cost with much much lower maintenance cost when the time comes.

Maybe she wants her pickup man back, and is playing you to get an old, dented truck.

GNL says

Eman says

I’m a consumer, and I want trouble free cars.

Again, you're missing it. These vehicles are trouble free.

I didn’t grow up with them so I don’t know them. Also, I don’t know how to fix cars other than oil change and repair flat tires.

My 1987, 1999 and 2003 trucks were relatively trouble free. The 1999, 2003 and 2007 MBZ started to cost money for maintenance after 100k miles. Over $1.2k each year just for maintenance. Some random crap keeps popping up. Only time, a “manifold” needed to be replaced and that was $2.5k. Oil change was $560 each time from the dealer when the cars were still under warranty. They were still several hundred dollars with outside shops once warranty was over.

The 2017 MDX was trouble free during our 5 years of ownership. Model S has been relatively trouble free. The X had a couple hiccups. Tesla gave us a loaner each time for a couple weeks while they ordered parts. Wife doesn’t seem to mind and still loves her X.

Eman says

I didn’t grow up with them so I don’t know them. Also, I don’t know how to fix cars other than oil change and repair flat tires.

Did you grow up with EVs? There's an entire industry surrounding these types of vehicles...for repairs and maintenance just like any other car. They're beautiful, hold their value and all of them are 1 offs.

HeadSet says

Eman says

Wife took the photo. I told her should we get one for our garage? She said nooo. I’m setting her up so when I can get the Tesla Roadster at a fraction of the cost with much much lower maintenance cost when the time comes.

Maybe she wants her pickup man back, and is playing you to get an old, dented truck.

😂

My next truck will likely be decided by my daughter and not my wife. Kids in the Bay Area seem to love Tesla. Kind of like the majority of people in Silicon Valley use Apple products. If my daughter decides it will be the Cybertruck.

Tesla car owners who switched to Rivian love their R1T and R1S. Rivian had some hiccups on the outset too, but they have remedied those issues. A dentist friend sold his Tesla S, bought the R1S and has been happy with it.

GNL says

Eman says

I didn’t grow up with them so I don’t know them. Also, I don’t know how to fix cars other than oil change and repair flat tires.

Did you grow up with EVs? There's an entire industry surrounding these types of vehicles...for repairs and maintenance just like any other car. They're beautiful, hold their value and all of them are 1 offs.

Good point. I guess no one in my sphere is driving/owning these cars. No one talks about them. Classic cars is another world I know nothing about. I’ve been learning a lot about EVs all these years, but nothing about classic cars. The classic car industry should step up their marketing campaigns.

Classic cars aren't a corporation. A group of investors (classic cars are also an investment), collectors and enthusiasts basically make up the market. Reggie Jackson is one of the most famous collectors and started collecting at the perfect time...when hardly anyone was thinking about them.

Maybe some of the first EVs will be worth millions some day?

😂… This guy is funny.



https://x.com/brucethemodel3/status/1762123396895379505?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

GNL says

Classic cars aren't a corporation. A group of investors (classic cars are also an investment), collectors and enthusiasts basically make up the market. Reggie Jackson is one of the most famous collectors and started collecting at the perfect time...when hardly anyone was thinking about them.

Maybe some of the first EVs will be worth millions some day?

I don’t see how it can happen, but I’m not a classic car guy. The original Roadster was built on the Lotus platform. Several years ago, Tesla made an offer to upgrade the battery for $8k. New cars have better tech, battery and battery management system. Classic cars are likely less complicated so less issues?

(Bloomberg) -- Apple Inc. is canceling a decadelong effort to build an electric car, according to people with knowledge of the matter, abandoning one of the most ambitious projects in the history of the company.

Apple made the disclosure internally Tuesday, surprising the nearly 2,000 employees working on the project, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the announcement wasn’t public. The decision was shared by Chief Operating Officer Jeff Williams and Kevin Lynch, a vice president in charge of the effort, according to the people.

I read that Apple is using the savings from cancelling its EV program for its AI development.

RWSGFY says

It would be banned.

....oh wait

https://www.naplesmotorsports.com/used-vehicle-1965-roadster-shelby-cobra-replica-classic-c-3497

As GNL has pointed out, old cars are art to an extent. Still fun to drive. I'm a utility guy with a family. So maybe post kids I'd get a fun car. For now it's non-minivan SUV's that can tow at least 6k lbs without worry and hold 7 passengers.

I think most here either don't have kids or they are adult aged at this point. So my perspective on vehicles is different. I also want a car that can stand up in a wreck. I don't care about Tesla's safety rating. A bigger car will always be safer.

socal2 says

Apparently there is a "boat mode" where the battery can seal itself to protect it from water.

More like submarine mode. Those cars don't float.

https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1763230991500312917?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

https://www.naplesmotorsports.com/used-vehicle-1965-roadster-shelby-cobra-replica-classic-c-3497

Yeah, I like these and always have. I grew up in a small town in MD. When I was about 12 or so, I remember going to an auto shop with my dad and out back I saw one of these in terrible condition. I have always wondered if it was a real one or not. Most of these are kit cars. But, of course, they can be built real nice and with all the most modern components.

Eman says

Ok, that looks at least a little better. Eman, you gonna slam it when you buy it? You know what slamming means, correct?

There was an article in the WSJ this week about a family who took their Tesla on a cross country drive that included a drive across 299. Got a damaged tire near Weaverville and were stranded there. No spare on board that hipster car, and no spare Tesla tires to be had far and wide in that part of California. It was a major hassle for them that ruined their trip.

https://x.com/driveteslaca/status/1763355741765927185?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q