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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

i live in a country. electric mowers and tractors are nonstarter. they don’t last, charge forever, it stalls across the field, you are fucked, go tow damn thing.

tech needs to be improved a lot. right now i see those as just fun toys for people in the city with spare change.

The EV will let you know how much battery life is left so you don't get stranded. Unlike a golf cart, if it’s about to die due to technical reason, it will let you know too.

I wouldn’t say it’s just a fun toy, it serves dual purposes for people living in the city. Just my 2 cents.

Most of my tools are battery powered. The same with the lawn trimmer/edger, hedge trimmer and blower, but I live in a suburban area with a standard lot size.

“Enjoy the day you hit a kid going 0-40mph in 1 second. It's a when not if situation.”

One thing I know is that you wish ill will on others. Fast cars have been around forever, not just now. How often do we hear people driving a fast car hitting a kid, or just a car hitting a kid? How often do you hear people driving a big SUV hitting a kid?

Eman says

The EV will let you know how much battery life is left so you don't get stranded. Unlike a golf cart, if it’s about to die due to technical reason, it will let you know too.

I swear you're a liar at this point dude. I know Tesla. They're not bad. This is the current state of my golf cart...

You own a golf cart that has no utility. Only works in a city. Just own it. It accelerates fast for a 35-45mph speed limit. That cost $20-50k more than a similar car... I don't get this conversation. I'm not the smartest person in the room, but in this case at no point has anyone proven me wrong.

A BMS is basic at this point and it works on most or all lithium batteries. Tesla is not something new. These existed before.

Eman says

I see an old car, and I see nothing but troubles.

It's because you simply don't know or understand what's possible to achieve with these vehicles and the huge market built around this hobby.

I said “technical” reason. You’re not part of the Tesla community where people share issues they have had with their cars. Sometimes, Tesla would notify people the issue before it even happened and had it fixed.

Calling me a liar without any proof while you’re admitting you’re a liar. 🙄

GNL says

Eman says

I see an old car, and I see nothing but troubles.

It's because you simply don't know or understand what's possible to achieve with these vehicles and the huge market built around this hobby.

That’s why I don’t have an appreciation for them. I’m a consumer, and I want trouble free cars. Owned a few MBZ, and I’ll never buy them again. Other than they’re safe when an accident occurs, they’re costly to maintain especially after 100k miles….at least from my personal experience. My buddy used to own Bimmers and Audi, and he’s done with them too.

Eman says

I’m a consumer, and I want trouble free cars.

Again, you're missing it. These vehicles are trouble free.

Eman says

Wife took the photo. I told her should we get one for our garage? She said nooo. I’m setting her up so when I can get the Tesla Roadster at a fraction of the cost with much much lower maintenance cost when the time comes.

Maybe she wants her pickup man back, and is playing you to get an old, dented truck.

GNL says

Eman says

I’m a consumer, and I want trouble free cars.

Again, you're missing it. These vehicles are trouble free.

I didn’t grow up with them so I don’t know them. Also, I don’t know how to fix cars other than oil change and repair flat tires.

My 1987, 1999 and 2003 trucks were relatively trouble free. The 1999, 2003 and 2007 MBZ started to cost money for maintenance after 100k miles. Over $1.2k each year just for maintenance. Some random crap keeps popping up. Only time, a “manifold” needed to be replaced and that was $2.5k. Oil change was $560 each time from the dealer when the cars were still under warranty. They were still several hundred dollars with outside shops once warranty was over.

The 2017 MDX was trouble free during our 5 years of ownership. Model S has been relatively trouble free. The X had a couple hiccups. Tesla gave us a loaner each time for a couple weeks while they ordered parts. Wife doesn’t seem to mind and still loves her X.

Eman says

I didn’t grow up with them so I don’t know them. Also, I don’t know how to fix cars other than oil change and repair flat tires.

Did you grow up with EVs? There's an entire industry surrounding these types of vehicles...for repairs and maintenance just like any other car. They're beautiful, hold their value and all of them are 1 offs.

HeadSet says

Eman says

Wife took the photo. I told her should we get one for our garage? She said nooo. I’m setting her up so when I can get the Tesla Roadster at a fraction of the cost with much much lower maintenance cost when the time comes.

Maybe she wants her pickup man back, and is playing you to get an old, dented truck.

😂

My next truck will likely be decided by my daughter and not my wife. Kids in the Bay Area seem to love Tesla. Kind of like the majority of people in Silicon Valley use Apple products. If my daughter decides it will be the Cybertruck.

Tesla car owners who switched to Rivian love their R1T and R1S. Rivian had some hiccups on the outset too, but they have remedied those issues. A dentist friend sold his Tesla S, bought the R1S and has been happy with it.

GNL says

Eman says

I didn’t grow up with them so I don’t know them. Also, I don’t know how to fix cars other than oil change and repair flat tires.

Did you grow up with EVs? There's an entire industry surrounding these types of vehicles...for repairs and maintenance just like any other car. They're beautiful, hold their value and all of them are 1 offs.

Good point. I guess no one in my sphere is driving/owning these cars. No one talks about them. Classic cars is another world I know nothing about. I’ve been learning a lot about EVs all these years, but nothing about classic cars. The classic car industry should step up their marketing campaigns.

Classic cars aren't a corporation. A group of investors (classic cars are also an investment), collectors and enthusiasts basically make up the market. Reggie Jackson is one of the most famous collectors and started collecting at the perfect time...when hardly anyone was thinking about them.

Maybe some of the first EVs will be worth millions some day?

😂… This guy is funny.



https://x.com/brucethemodel3/status/1762123396895379505?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

GNL says

Classic cars aren't a corporation. A group of investors (classic cars are also an investment), collectors and enthusiasts basically make up the market. Reggie Jackson is one of the most famous collectors and started collecting at the perfect time...when hardly anyone was thinking about them.

Maybe some of the first EVs will be worth millions some day?

I don’t see how it can happen, but I’m not a classic car guy. The original Roadster was built on the Lotus platform. Several years ago, Tesla made an offer to upgrade the battery for $8k. New cars have better tech, battery and battery management system. Classic cars are likely less complicated so less issues?

(Bloomberg) -- Apple Inc. is canceling a decadelong effort to build an electric car, according to people with knowledge of the matter, abandoning one of the most ambitious projects in the history of the company.

Apple made the disclosure internally Tuesday, surprising the nearly 2,000 employees working on the project, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the announcement wasn’t public. The decision was shared by Chief Operating Officer Jeff Williams and Kevin Lynch, a vice president in charge of the effort, according to the people.

I read that Apple is using the savings from cancelling its EV program for its AI development.

RWSGFY says

It would be banned.

....oh wait

https://www.naplesmotorsports.com/used-vehicle-1965-roadster-shelby-cobra-replica-classic-c-3497

As GNL has pointed out, old cars are art to an extent. Still fun to drive. I'm a utility guy with a family. So maybe post kids I'd get a fun car. For now it's non-minivan SUV's that can tow at least 6k lbs without worry and hold 7 passengers.

I think most here either don't have kids or they are adult aged at this point. So my perspective on vehicles is different. I also want a car that can stand up in a wreck. I don't care about Tesla's safety rating. A bigger car will always be safer.

socal2 says

Apparently there is a "boat mode" where the battery can seal itself to protect it from water.

More like submarine mode. Those cars don't float.

https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1763230991500312917?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

https://www.naplesmotorsports.com/used-vehicle-1965-roadster-shelby-cobra-replica-classic-c-3497

Yeah, I like these and always have. I grew up in a small town in MD. When I was about 12 or so, I remember going to an auto shop with my dad and out back I saw one of these in terrible condition. I have always wondered if it was a real one or not. Most of these are kit cars. But, of course, they can be built real nice and with all the most modern components.

Eman says

Ok, that looks at least a little better. Eman, you gonna slam it when you buy it? You know what slamming means, correct?

There was an article in the WSJ this week about a family who took their Tesla on a cross country drive that included a drive across 299. Got a damaged tire near Weaverville and were stranded there. No spare on board that hipster car, and no spare Tesla tires to be had far and wide in that part of California. It was a major hassle for them that ruined their trip.

https://x.com/driveteslaca/status/1763355741765927185?s=46&t=5lEEPaezr6Ic-W4Z6huZ5Q

B.A.C.A.H. says

There was an article in the WSJ this week about a family who took their Tesla on a cross country drive that included a drive across 299. Got a damaged tire near Weaverville and were stranded there. No spare on board that hipster car, and no spare Tesla tires to be had far and wide in that part of California. It was a major hassle for them that ruined their trip.

Yeah. Can't do road trips with Teslas at all. Would be a major mistake. You need an ICE vehicle or rent one. Tesla is a commuter car. That's why I call them golf carts. That why gas carts on golf courses are more popular despite the noise. It has gas in it or it doesn't... I prefer electric carts golfing, but for whatever reason if I'm autistic or something and the noise of gas cart literally make me angry.

Also, I think once Cyber Truck is sold out, EV market is going to plummet. Reach market saturation. If they're quality cars they'll last a long time. My golf cart will last 10 years on the battery. There's no point in getting a new model unless it's for status for Tesla. And I don't care what you say Eman about CA. It is a status thing and a "green" thing even though it's not.

Either way I know the electric game. I tinker on mine all the time. Take it to get the mail daily (have a CBU). EV's are just not practical long distance vehicles. The semi Musk is designing is going to cost a fortune in a low margin business of transport. And a loss of time charging. The truck will be off the road 20-30% more than diesel trucks. Poof. Profits gone. No trucker is gonna wanna touch it if they're paid by mile and their wife Karen is back home fucking the neighbor. He should just stick to sedans and call it a day. Cyber Truck will be a flop because it cannot tow any distance. Almost no one hooks up a camper to go 40 miles. Because that's all you get with a 6k lbs trailer/camper.

GNL says

Most of these are kit cars.

Yes, really sweet looking replica. And I can see plunking down close to $100k for it. But if that were the case, why not go for the updated real thing?

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

GNL says

Most of these are kit cars.

Yes, really sweet looking replica. And I can see plunking down close to $100k for it. But if that were the case, why not go for the updated real thing?

So many options to choose from, amiright? Yes, I love the new corvette. I think they're going to do even more with them. The first models always end up looking a little plain with each new iteration. I still like restomods most.

WookieMan says

Yeah. Can't do road trips with Teslas at all. Would be a major mistake.

I take my Model Y to Las Vegas, Phoenix, Northern California and Utah frequently. Anything further requires a flight. Tesla Superchargers for 15 minute stops are everywhere. Tesla is adding a new charger in North America every hour now.

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Yeah. Can't do road trips with Teslas at all. Would be a major mistake.

I take my Model Y to Las Vegas, Phoenix, Northern California and Utah frequently. Anything further requires a flight. Tesla Superchargers for 15 minute stops are everywhere. Tesla is adding a new charger in North America every hour now.

You’re wasting your time. People will believe what they want to believe even though they don’t own it and don’t know much about it.

Hollywood celebrities are buying Cybertruck. Who would have thought? I didn’t see it either TBH. I thought it was a fugly truck myself when it was unveil, but I put in the reservation anyway. Then got an email from Tesla to design mine on 12/26. Such a huge premium for the Foundation Series so I’m holding out. 😂

@socal2,

Since Teslas don’t have a spare tire, I have a pump and a tire repair kit in each Tesla. You never know. Cheap insurance.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

GNL says

Most of these are kit cars.

Yes, really sweet looking replica. And I can see plunking down close to $100k for it. But if that were the case, why not go for the updated real thing?

Why would you drop $100k on a fast car that can only carry 2 persons? Why not buy a used SUV that can carry 7 persons and tow stuff? You know it’s just a matter of when, not if, that you’re going to hit some kid in a fast car. Is this a midlife crisis purchase or a small dick syndrome? 😂

I woke up this morning and felt kind of being funny. Must be Friday. 😂

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

GNL says

Most of these are kit cars.

Yes, really sweet looking replica. And I can see plunking down close to $100k for it. But if that were the case, why not go for the updated real thing?

Huh? That white C8 Corvette isn’t a new version of the 1960’s AC Cobra. You can buy new versions “continuation cars” with CSX6000 and up vins of the Cobra now.

Eman says

I have a pump and a tire repair kit in each Tesla.

That's a good plan for a flat, not so good for a damaged tire.

from "The Day Our Tesla Inflated" by Rikka Fountain. WSJ page A13 February 27:

"...our high performance Tesla uses high performance tires... those tires can be days away outside a major population center... we could have bought the car with a full size replacement, but that would have left no room for luggage...the tire wasn't patchable..."

That is one of the other problems with Teslas I actually don't hammer on either. They're ugly. Small. At least for a taller guy. Not sure about other EV's as Tesla is the only one I've driven.

They're also advertising on YouTube like gangbusters. They've reached market saturation. I've never seen ads ever. I like older or big cars that guzzle gas. I have my townie cart and I'm good.

ForcedTQ says

Huh? That white C8 Corvette isn’t a new version of the 1960’s AC Cobra.

Dang, I was confusing it with a 1950’s Stingray. You are correct, sir!