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richwicks says

As I said, I put in very low effort into Ceffer's posts. I occasionally research them to see if they are true, 99% of the time, they aren't, and it was just a waste of time.

I'm not the only one that didn't read another empty post and asked about it.

I don't want to get into user banter, but Ceffer generally posts correct or at least centric posts. With dry sarcasm/language. I do think you get lost in written sarcasm based on your responses. Just being honest. And please don't respond Iraq was fake and no WMD's and we're all idiots for believing it. Under the assumption anyone here actually believed it. I should turn you in for animal abuse watching you beat the already dead horse... again and again and again.

WookieMan says

I don't want to get into user banter, but Ceffer generally posts correct or at least centric posts.

No he doesn't. He posts every goddamned thing he sees and leaves it to everybody else to confirm the veracity of it. He has NO FILTER at all.

WookieMan says

I do think you get lost in written sarcasm based on your responses.

Sarcasm is done by voice. You cannot write sarcasm. You can write satire, however, in fucking clown world it is impossible to distinguish between satire and an actual story now, which is why I essentially ignore "mainstream news" other than to know how the cattle and sheep are being led.

WookieMan says

And please don't respond Iraq was fake and no WMD's and we're all idiots for believing it.

If you believed it, you were a fool, and if you believe the current bullshit, you're an idiot. If you believe that Qaddafi was handing out Viagra, that Assad was "gassing his own people" and that's why the US bombed Syria, or that Ukraine was attacked by Russia "for no reason at all", you're a fucking retard. I'm tired of talking to people who continue to believe the latest nonsense and will happily support the New Thing ™®© just because the propaganda box told them some bullshit.

We live with the fucking Patriot Act now because of fools that were so fucking stupid they believed that Saddam Hussein was about to drop a nuclear weapon on the United States. The Patriot Act allows mass surveillance on ANYBODY without a warrant, this means it allows our intelligence agencies to intercept and record every phone conversation made in the United States, and I know how trivial this is to do. IDIOTS allows a Gestapo to be formed and although you might be able to shrug this off a bit, your kids won't. Everything that's been posted and spoke in the last 20 years was trivial to record, so it was.

I'm fed up with people believing bullshit, and in particular passing on bullshit without any compunction as to whether they are passing on true or false information. It's immoral to lie, and passing off information as truth when it's not, is the same thing as lying, you're just doing it one step removed.

You need help bro. You drivel on about the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over..... See a therapist.

You're not making change and just bitching about singular events in the past. STOP living in the past. Change the future. I do, you don't. I've never seen an adult man whine as much as you do. Let it go Elsa. I'm sure that will trigger something....

Just admit you didn't see the fucking link that you always whine about. You were wrong.

WookieMan says

You need help bro. You drivel on about the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over..... See a therapist.

I don't need a therapist. I need the mentally weak to goddamn man up and not be fooled by the NEXT bullshit government lie.

The reason I keep going back to the Iraq War, is not that just so many dipshits fell for the bullshit, but so many dipshits silently went along with it, like the pussies they are, then allowed the government to spy on the ENTIRE POPULATION as a result. What a bunch of fucking cucks.

WookieMan says

Change the future. I do, you don't. I've never seen an adult man whine as much as you do. Let it go Elsa. I'm sure that will trigger something....

You want to "trigger me"? Just say "This government is pretty good, we shouldn't change it! I love the status quo. Our government does a good job of working on behalf of the nation".

But I bet you don't think that, but you won't say what a piece of shit government this is. You complain about my whining and moaning, you just fucking take a government dick up your ass without complaint at all. I guess you're better than me. You're habituated to talking to slaves and I'm fed up with slaves. I consider you semi-human animals, capable of thinking, but unwilling to do it.

The reason I write "diatribes" is to demonstrate this. How many stood up to the fucking vaccine? The shutdown? How many saw it as bullshit? How many realize the Ukraine war was bullshit before it started? You fuckers keep getting lied to, believe the bullshit, and drag me into it. You have a civic duty to call out bullshit, either you don't engage in that, or you're too stupid to realize you're being lied to.

WookieMan says

You need help bro. You drivel on about the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over..... See a therapist.

I told him pretty much the same thing last year, @WookieMan

He starts by reading something...may or may not gets triggered into then engaging in this total imaginary movie/conversation in his head that kicks in or something. And then what we see in his posting after that is the diarrhea form of it, more or less. This is why he ignores what we respond with in kind or twists it all up in the context of the imaginary conversation he's having.

@richwicks you do need help. Seriously.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

This is why he ignores what we respond with in kind or twists it all up in the context of the imaginary conversation he's having.

I don't get it. I've not agreed with you all the time and we've had back and forth. His comments always fucking lead to Iraq and WMDS's even if the topic is about gays humping dogs. We all know our government isn't perfect. Every fucking comment doesn't need to go back to something that's water under the bridge. It's going to happen again regardless of bitching on Patnet and not doing anything on his end. I know there's ignore, but the bitching and whining has got to stop at some point. Grow a fucking pair Rich.

RWSGFY says

These are jornos playing with their employer's money, right? Because I can't imagine a normal person shelling out their hard-earned $70K for some midsize SUV from an unknown, unproven manufacturer....

2 yr lease - maybe, but buying it outright - no way, Jose.

Oh contraire. They do.

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

richwicks you do need help. Seriously.

Well, I'm not going to get any, so fuck off with that shit.

It's not me that is crazy, it's this fucking world. You watch television? I guarantee you're nuts JUST because of that. Hardly anybody lives in a natural state, they are just a pig that is fed bullshit all their lives, and they never question it.

WookieMan says

I don't get it. I've not agreed with you all the time and we've had back and forth. His comments always fucking lead to Iraq and WMDS's even if the topic is about gays humping dogs.

@WookieMan - give me an example, instead of just libeling me. How can I take you seriously when you so blatantly lie?

Also note, I can't be certain if you are lying or actually believe I did something remotely like that.

The Iraq War is a serious issue that has led to 25 years of foreign policy disaster one after the other. Ukraine is not much different than Iraq. For SOME reason the US wanted war there, they LIED to start it, they propagandized the public into supporting it, and it's a disaster as a result. The US is hurt by it, Ukraine is destroyed by it, and Russia is stronger for it.

You realize we're just going to do this again? We couldn't learn the lesson in the first time. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, and now Ukraine. We've had ample time to learn, yet we don't. It's appaling.

Honestly as well the reason I keep going back to Iraq is that is the subject people are MOST likely to be familiar with. Your average person doesn't even really know we were at war with Syria and they don't even know we bombed Libya. Iraq was the LAST WAR we had any significant resistance against so it's at least remembered.

Great day to by MOAR TSLA because "smart people" in Wall Street don't seem to understand macro in Q1.

- Eco-terrorist attack on Berlin factory shutting down production for over 2 weeks
- Houthi attacks on shipping causing thousands of cars to be stuck on ships from China going around Africa to reach Europe
- Fremont factory re-tooling for the new Model 3 Highland launch

He acts like the Iraq war was some uniquely horrible and evil act by America.

At the end of the day, the US and coalition forces toppled Iraq's army (3rd or 4th largest in the world at the time) in a couple weeks and quickly empowered the MAJORITY and repressed population (Shia and Kurds) to have a rightful democratic say in their governance. The MINORITY Sunni Baathists were pissed they lost dictatorial power and allied with their fellow Sunni's Al Qaeda (and later ISIS) and created a big civil war that ultimately dragged in Shia Iranian proxies from next door.

America is guilty for being too idealistic and not being able to keep the Muslim crazies from killing each other. While the Muslims were killing each other 500 at a time by blowing up each other's mosques and parades, US casualties were remarkably light all things considered. Russia loses more troops in a single week in Ukraine than America lost in Iraq in 12 years.

It was never about oil or some bullshit conspiracy shit the 9/11 troofers always trot out. Just government incompetence and Islamic barbarity.

WookieMan says

EV's are shit unless you drive 10-20 miles a day and charge at home.

That is over 60% of the available US car market!

Tesla can't be everything for everyone, but the available US market is plenty big.

Hybrids are still retarded with twice the complexity and twice the maintenance and things to go wrong compared to straight up BEV's - they are not much cheaper and you don't get the massive performance of a Tesla. I don't drive Tesla's to save gas or be environmental. I drive them because they are the most powerful and advanced car I can afford. How is that not understandable? I can't afford a comparable Porsche, BMW, Mercedes or Audi.

I spend alot of time driving - life's too short to drive something boring or weak if you have some options.

socal2 says

He acts like the Iraq war was some uniquely horrible and evil act by America.

It was.

The US intelligence agencies allowed the WTC centers to be attacked, 3000 people were killed that day, there were many more that died from asbestos inhalation, the US then used it as an excuse to go into Afghanistan and later had George W. Bush said it didn't matter if binLaden was captured or not (and he was a former intelligence asset during the Russio-Afghanistan war), then it was used to lie the public into the Iraq War not only over "weapons of mass destruction", but over Anthrax which was blamed on Saddam Hussein (remember the anthrax letters?) - they were probably done by Israel, and also claims that binLaden worked with Hussein.

I have never seen such outrageous bullshit in my lifetime until then, and now I see it every time we start a war, and people remain ignorant of it, and invariably support the next war.

Iraq WAS unique, it's just the gold standard now, of a banana republic with a totally uniformed and disinterested population. I was worried in the early naughts about us sliding into fascism and dictatorship, and that's what happened. We're there now, we can't even elect the puppet that we want anymore, all the intelligence agencies and media establishments line up against it. We are at the point where the only remedy will be revolution.

And this happened on MY watch, and your watch too if you're around my age. Boomers failed too, but they were getting on in years by that time, in my early 30's I was of course at my peak, and although friend and colleagues resisted the Iraq bullshit, just 10 years later they were all on board to blow up Libya and Syria and it was the same pattern of bullshit and hysteria. The wars there weren't about "defense" though, it was about "human rights".

To get a Democrat to support killing a nation, call the war "human rights", and to get a Republican to support a war, call the war "defense of strategic interests". It's not either. None of these wars help us, and it's destroyed the nation. Good job everybody being asleep at the wheel. People who think "oh, it will be fine", have no idea - no it won't.

socal2 says

He acts like the Iraq war was some uniquely horrible and evil act by America.

Seriously? While gulf war 1 was a contractual obligation fulfilled to an equally (if not more, women under Saddam were quite liberated) oppressive regime, and a quick pushback into Iraqi bounds, Gulf War 2 certainly was horrible and evil, and that's an understatement, it was a major genocide/infanticide perpetrated by war criminals, under completely made up / false pretenses.

WookieMan says

gays humping dogs

That thread even exist?

It would be more interesting than rehashing the Iraq war for the quadrillionth time.

The Iraq war was just more government graft for the MIC. Plus Hussein threatened the Petrodollar so had to be made example of by the powers that be. But now that we live in a post-truth era where truth is treason in this empire of lies, it seems passé to constantly harangue on a war decades ago when the lies of today are sufficiently evil and warrant more urgent concern.

PeopleUnited says

It would be more interesting than rehashing the Iraq war for the quadrillionth time.

It's a reference to people infecting dogs with monkeypox. Draw your own conclusions of what happened.

Once dogs and kids were starting to get monkeypox from being around gay males, the whole monkeypox thing went away and they renamed it to "m-pox". It was going to be the "new pandemic" if you recall, but I think unlike the Iraq War, people did learn their lesson with these health panics. That killed it.

If you recall in the 1980's, authorities falsely claimed that heterosexuals were at the same risk of HIV as homosexual couples were. Not even close, anal intercourse allows a much easier infection route, and also lifestyle - homosexuals have far more sexual partners than heterosexual couples. I've read about this, it was apparently a deliberate attempt to reduce population by reducing sexual interaction - at least some claim.

It's not even known to this day if HIV is actually the cause of AIDS. Kary Mullis didn't believe it was, although if HIV become detectable in the blood, you have AIDS. HIV may be a benign virus that only becomes apparent once the immune system is compromised. One hypothesis is that people with AIDS actually are getting it from excessive drug use which is also rampant in the gay community. If HIV isn't the cause of AIDS, all the attempts to attack and eliminate HIV are worthless, and it's possible HIV is a symbiotic virus rather than just a parasitic one, and if that's the case, eliminating HIV in a human body may have deleterious effects.

PeopleUnited says

The Iraq war was just more government graft for the MIC.

No, it wasn't just "more". That war changed our nation's direction. We allowed torture due to that war, the Patriot Act, we setup "free speech zones" (remember them), had a "terror alert level" which was used exclusively to get the administration out of trouble when placed under scrutiny, and established the concept of "pre-emptive war", which up until that point was unthinkable, because "we cannot wait for the final proof in the form of a mushroom cloud".

Any credibility left of the media, across the board, was destroyed in those years. NPR and PBS still did decent work in the 1990, but by 2005, they may as well have been CNN today.

With that war, justification for war was thrown away, replaced with absolute nonsense. I know a person that read the Economist religiously, and thinks that the Syria war was all about the US going into Syria to cool the civil war down. He has no idea that the US funded ISIS, that Israel treated and supported the group, and that the US (or Israel or the UK, whatever) staged the Douma Chemical Attack. It's quite probably that the chemical attack in Ghouta probably DID happen, and WE did it. Our government may very well have poisoned a population in order to start a war, if that doesn't brown your pants a bit, you're not thinking about enough.

PeopleUnited says

But now that we live in a post-truth era where truth is treason in this empire of lies

What does post-truth mean?

What was before? PRE-TRUTH? What you're experiencing is an entire population SLOWLY becoming aware of what is going on. I'd argue our media has always been garbage pumping out bullshit all my life. I became aware of this in my early 20's starting with the Nayirah Testimony. The difference with the first Iraq War (Desert Storm) and the later one is that the propaganda was exposed PRIOR to the war starting. It could have been prevented.

The limitation on the Syrian war was in part that so many people were aware that the government was lying about it and knew. That's why ground troops didn't go in. It's pretty well known that ISIS was a US proxy in some way, that the White Helmets didn't exist, and the Kurdish population was simply used as a weapon against Syria - they're just the PKK, a communist terrorist group, a terrorist group according to our government anyhow.

PeopleUnited says

it seems passé to constantly harangue on a war decades ago when the lies of today are sufficiently evil and warrant more urgent concern.

It's a touchstone to get people to realize that the current new lies, are the same as the old ones. The point of the Iraq War is that 1/2 the country resisted it, and at least that 1/2 was reachable for a long time. It's taken time, but "Conservatives" have finally become aware of it. It took them a full decade to realize it wasn't a mistake.

socal2 says

That is over 60% of the available US car market!

Tesla can't be everything for everyone, but the available US market is plenty big.

Hybrids are still retarded with twice the complexity and twice the maintenance and things to go wrong compared to straight up BEV's - they are not much cheaper and you don't get the massive performance of a Tesla. I don't drive Tesla's to save gas or be environmental. I drive them because they are the most powerful and advanced car I can afford. How is that not understandable? I can't afford a comparable Porsche, BMW, Mercedes or Audi.

I spend alot of time driving - life's too short to drive something boring or weak if you have some options.

socal2 says

Great day to by MOAR TSLA because "smart people" in Wall Street don't seem to understand macro in Q1.

- Eco-terrorist attack on Berlin factory shutting down production for over 2 weeks
- Houthi attacks on shipping causing thousands of cars to be stuck on ships from China going around Africa to reach Europe
- Fremont factory re-tooling for the new Model 3 Highland launch

So if I want a cheap commuter EV I might be able to find a $10k Model 3 in about 6 months it seems…. Only entertaing due to free charging at work that would delete my fuel bill

ForcedTQ says

So if I want a cheap commuter EV I might be able to find a $10k Model 3 in about 6 months it seems…. Only entertaing due to free charging at work that would delete my fuel bill

Look at leasing. I think the Leaf was leased for $50 a month for a while. Probably that deal is gone, but there are some pretty sweet incentives for leasing, as long as you don't mind soaking the taxpayer for your almost free vehicle.

richwicks says

socal2 says

He acts like the Iraq war was some uniquely horrible and evil act by America.

It was.

MORE people died in Chicago than ALL US troops in Iraq AND Afghanistan. Much of the of the civilian deaths in both countries was attributed to the US, but was actually Muslim infighting between sects. Shia and Sunni. This is why no one has ever been successful in ever taking control of these countries 100%. They are fucking crazy people.

I agree we made a dip shit attempt to try. We have FAR bigger bigger problems at home. We're more war torn here than there. So maybe move there if you think they're better. It's water under the bridge and you cannot or don't even try to control it, just bitch. Enjoy a miserable life.

richwicks says

ForcedTQ says

So if I want a cheap commuter EV I might be able to find a $10k Model 3 in about 6 months it seems…. Only entertaing due to free charging at work that would delete my fuel bill

Look at leasing. I think the Leaf was leased for $50 a month for a while. Probably that deal is gone, but there are some pretty sweet incentives for leasing, as long as you don't mind soaking the taxpayer for your almost free vehicle.

My financial principles preclude me from leasing or financing an auto. Also not going to soak the taxpayers. Hell, I won’t even DIY solar on my house with an FTC claim. I’ll pay for it myself.

WookieMan says

MORE people died in Chicago than ALL US troops in Iraq AND Afghanistan.

I'm not complaining about the US troop deaths. I'm complaining about spending 1 trillion dollars or whatever to kill 800,000 Iraqis for no discernible benefit.

I no longer appeal to the morality of the situation because people just simply don't care about that. It cost $1,250,000 to kill each Iraqi about. For what benefit to the United States?

WookieMan says

Much of the of the civilian deaths in both countries was attributed to the US, but was actually Muslim infighting between sects. Shia and Sunni. This is why no one has ever been successful in ever taking control of these countries 100%. They are fucking crazy people.

Would the sectarian violence have happened if the United States didn't go to war? And who cares about the violence really? What strategic or financial advantage did the US gain in this war? Halliburton made a ton of money, as did Offense Contractors. The US taxpayer paid for it, and got absolutely nothing out of it other than a bill.

WookieMan says

I agree we made a dip shit attempt to try. We have FAR bigger bigger problems at home. We're more war torn here than there. So maybe move there if you think they're better. It's water under the bridge and you cannot or don't even try to control it, just bitch. Enjoy a miserable life.

If you IDIOTS can't learn from the past, you will repeat the same bullshit in the future. It does appear to be impossible to get you paramecium to understand this. You think the Iraq War has absolutely nothing to do with our current state, it has EVERYTHING to do with it. Our surveillance state was setup as a result of it.

It's also not water under the bridge, we live with the consequences of that war, and because it wasn't stopped, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Ukraine have happened and they also have no financial or strategic objectives, or if they do, they aren't announced. I don't see any. I know some investment bankers are going to make a shit-ton of money off from Ukraine, because Ukraine is going to be slaves to them.

What the MIC does to foreign adversaries, they will eventually do to US. I know you can't comprehend that, but this empire has quite a long way to fall, and they aren't going to go out with a whimper like the USSR did.

ForcedTQ says

My financial principles preclude me from leasing or financing an auto.

You may want to reconsider buying an EV at this time. Their lifespan is about 10 years. Replacement of the battery is basically a new car. I'm leery of them. I doubt there's a single Tesla on the road that was built in 2014 that's on the road today.

There's a very hard limit to the number of charges and discharges, and the battery discharges even when NOT in use. I think the whole industry is crazy. It doesn't solve any problem. It's greenwashing in my opinion. I'm sure you've got a smart phone, do you keep the old one when you replace it? I find that the lfespan of a phone with relatively heavy use is about 5 years due to battery deterioration. I used to use my old phone all the time to listen to podcasts, until it would finally not accept a charge any longer. Miss that phone.. All you can buy are these giant notepads today.

socal2 says

Great day to by MOAR TSLA because "smart people" in Wall Street don't seem to understand macro in Q1.

- Eco-terrorist attack on Berlin factory shutting down production for over 2 weeks
- Houthi attacks on shipping causing thousands of cars to be stuck on ships from China going around Africa to reach Europe
- Fremont factory re-tooling for the new Model 3 Highland launch

Dude, you like your car. I haven't seen anyone argue it's a bad car for YOUR wants and needs. It's overpriced and takes 3-4 years for EV to pay off the difference of a similar car. Sure not as zippy, but still accomplishes the mission. Like a Toyota Corolla or similar.

Also there's no cars that need to go through the Suez or Red Sea that come to America. They come across the Pacific or European cars across the Atlantic. Tesla might source parts elsewhere, but it's mainly an American made car. Most of Toyota and Nissan are made here. Can't recall the company but most of your new car tires come from a Asian company that built a huge tire plant near Nashville.

The global thing didn't work out. We've been decoupling from it for a while and it was accelerated by covid. Your cars in the next 10 years will all be made in America or Mexico.

EV's have reached their saturation point. Car buyers are men for the most part. I know plenty of women that had their mid-life crisis and got a Tesla. Men want sports cars that make noise. Sale will continue to drop. Cyber Truck deliveries will get the soy boys that think it makes them look manly. Those sales will dry up as well. Hence why Musk is on every podcast on the planet and has started advertising. I don't play the stock game, but I'd be shorting if I was a gambler.

WookieMan says

I don't play the stock game, but I'd be shorting if I was a gambler.

Tesla Stock trading about $170 today. Let's check back later and see if shorting would have won.

WookieMan says

Also there's no cars that need to go through the Suez or Red Sea that come to America. They come across the Pacific or European cars across the Atlantic. Tesla might source parts elsewhere, but it's mainly an American made car.

The Chinese gigafactory factory is one of Tesla's highest production volume factories and ships cars to Europe that would use the Suez canal. There is also major component suppliers that were disrupted having to send ships around the horn of Africa.

WookieMan says

Car buyers are men for the most part. I know plenty of women that had their mid-life crisis and got a Tesla. Men want sports cars that make noise.

I thought you told me that you don't need power or acceleration and driving is no kick for you? You are fine tooling around in a big Japanese Nissan provided you can tow your toys around? If you like fast and powerful cars now, you can't get a faster or more powerful car than a Tesla for the price.

WookieMan says

Cyber Truck deliveries will get the soy boys that think it makes them look manly.

You sure about that?

It's already iconic with some groups.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/E8y7vbQnlx8

HeadSet says

Tesla Stock trading about $170 today. Let's check back later and see if shorting would have won.

I think the stock will be pretty flat this year. Lots of Liberals hating on Elon driving B.S. FUD stories and trying to prop up the dying Fords and GM's. Interest rates are high impacting all auto sales.

The next big leg up will be later this year when they introduce the much cheaper Model 2 and Full Self Driving gets more mainstream.

All Tesla owners are getting a free one month subscription to FSD this month (haven't gotten mine yet). But the initial reviews from drivers is quite positive.

I don't think people appreciate how much FSD is going to change transportation and our society. How do you put a value on this technology? Especially if Tesla licenses it to other automakers? There is no other technology on the planet that is close to this level of useful AI and Tesla is growing their lead every single day with millions of miles of new training data from all their cars on the road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs96BKDCDR4

socal2 says

I don't think people appreciate how much FSD is going to change transportation and our society.

I wonder if Uber and Lyft stock will also increase because this FSD looks like it will soon eliminate the need for a driver. I have long predicted that private cars will be unaffordable by 2035 and people will just order rides via app and have a FSD vehicle add them to an irregular route.

socal2 says

I thought you told me that you don't need power or acceleration and driving is no kick for you? You are fine tooling around in a big Japanese Nissan provided you can tow your toys around? If you like fast and powerful cars now, you can't get a faster or more powerful car than a Tesla for the price.

I personally don't. Most men don't. They want utility. Tesla doesn't provide that for any model. Have a family of 5 that goes 250 miles with a trailer up to Wisconsin twice a month in the summer. Gas the Armada up and get there on one tank and tool around the entire weekend without filling up until the return trip. With a trailer or camper. I can get in mud and off road situations. No model of Tesla does that without a charging stop.

I have just the weekend. I don't have fucking time for that shit. Cyber Truck is the only one that can tow and you'd be lucky to get 100 miles out of it. This is just leisure. There's also work. I just drove 150 miles today with ZERO chargers on the way. It's still chilly here. Even if topped off, there would be risk of running out of electric on the trip and no where to charge. Nope. Not worth it for a shitty looking sedan. All sedans look shitty to me, so not being biased. The truck looks like a retard got ahold of a CAD program on acid. The specs suck.

https://x.com/sashayanshin/status/1776552388704227421

Why I will never switch from my EV to one of these new gas cars.

1. Range anxiety - I am used to being on 100% every morning. With a gas car, I might not have enough gas to get to work and have to waste time going to recharge it.

2. Big maintenance problem - After 100k-200k miles you have to swap or rebuild the engine. That’s $10-20k on an old car. This is crazy!

3. Risk of fire - Gas cars have ~100x the likelihood of catching fire compared to EVs. You literally have a full tank of explosive liquid right underneath your back seats. No thank you!

4. Underdeveloped charging infrastructure - Every home has a power outlet. Every AirBnb has one too. No matter how remote. With a gas car, you have to go find special charging stations instead of charging while you sleep. Sometimes, the nearest one could be 50 miles away!

5. Environmental impact - Did you know it takes about 10x as much mining and pumping to get the oil needed to fuel a gas car over its lifetime than the materials needed to build an electric battery? Insane!

6. Range issues - Did you know that if you turn on aircon, charge your devices in the car and blast the infotainment system, your gas car range can go down by 20% or more?!

7. Cost - The average gas car costs 20% more than a Tesla. It’s just too expensive for mass adoption.

You have to be a real nutcase fan boy to switch to a gas car! [socal2, Eman]

Lol... The thickest sarcasm/troll I've seen in a while. Spot on though. Molasses is what comes to mind.

EV owners enjoy it. It's not cheaper. Not green. I just zipped around town in the cart. Fun. I also sometimes need to tow up to 9k lbs more than 400 meters. Can it tow it, sure, but again will you literally get more than a 1/4 miles out of it? Not happening with a EV. Get a golf cart and drive that to work. In CA you're likely not getting above 30-40mph on a good traffic day. Golf carts can go that fast easy. 1/3 the cost for a nice one. 1/10th for a fixer upper.

This is what I like.

rocketjoe79 says

This is what I like.

Yeah but the cost of the car is not factored into that chart. Likely a financed vehicle so that $908 would be eaten by the loan to a comparable sized ICE car in 3 months and then you're paying more monthly. Factor in EV's don't pay MFT yet, the cost will go up through registration or your electric bill in the coming years. Just because they're zippy, doesn't mean they're light cars. A Tesla is causing more damage to roads than a an ICE car paying the taxes for you.

I also usually keep a car for 10 years. Besides gas and oil changes I have all the same maintenance as an EV. Maybe an alternator or starter, but those are relatively cheap repairs Never had to replace an engine. Always get 200k miles out of my cars. With lithium the batteries degrade over time as well. I don't think I'd see 200k miles out of a Tesla without a battery pack swap at the tune of a used car, like $20k to get it back on the road. So that would literally eat all the savings or get I have to get rid of a useless car for pennies.

I get the hype for EV's. The math doesn't add up though. The one factor no one considers is time. I'm not going to sit there and wait for a charge when I can get 400 miles in 3 minutes ICE vehicles. I'd lose $100 in the time waiting to get a full charge at least in productive time. Or the time finding a charger in rural areas with range fear. There're plentiful in CA, but not in my area of IL. Maybe at the big truck stops, but they're not at your local small town gas station.

EV's are for sure more expensive. It's a fun car to drive. That's not a value to me that is worth the higher cost. And the costs are 100% for sure higher for a comparable ICE car that just does 0-60 in 6 seconds instead of 3. Excessive acceleration will get you pulled over in most states. Call me a geezer driver, but it's provably dangerous.

The only guy I know who owns a Tesla was bragging about how he got a tax credit for it. He's the epitome of a smug owner.
He also complains that FPL doesn't pay him for the energy he produces from his vast solar panel installation on his house roof.
He's not satisfied that he pays no bill each month; he wants them to pay him some money.
He's smug and likes to brag about his "real estate holdings"; he has a house with his wife and they have another one which is rented out.
When I see him at a barbecue he brings a cooler and pounds Budweisers like no tomorrow; I don't know where it goes, he must have a hollow leg.

Off the subject: if you guys are someday seeking an income investment which is not four walls and a roof, check out SPYI.
It's got a high yield.