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Just a little bias there ?

mell says

Overall Trump has outdone his predecessors significantly.

True, nobody President since Reagan has been associated with that kind of increasing debt in a time of supposedly awesome economic growth. But it was much different then, at least there was room for interest rates to drop steadily for a couple decades but we didn't know that - so I considered and still consider the epic debt binge that Reagan started to be a huge mistake - and what history will probably show as one of the biggest causes of our current problems.

mell says

These Fred graphs aren't very useful

No, not to your narrative they aren't.

thomasdong1776 says

And, while we were promised the tax cuts would entirely pay for themselves, they certainly have not:

Great job Trump ! Kudos ! You da MAN !

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TrumpingTits says

Out of control spending got us the deficits, not the corporate tax cuts

In most universes Tax Reciepts have little to do with spending (can you read the graphs ?)

But sure spending is a big factor too.

Should have paired cuts in taxes with cuts in spending, but may be I'm just being old fashioned and we can borrow and spend ourselves into prosperity

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If you think about it, Hillary being President would have been so much better for us, becasue the repulbicans would be constantly on her about bringing the deficits down. That would be their biggest weapon, to keep her from getting any programs she wanted, and they in tern wouldn't get what they wanted.

It's kind of perverse if you think about it, but republican hatred for Hillary might have actually been what the government needed to keep corruption down.

Instead what we have is a swampfest free for all, with plenty of corruption scandals and assinine behavior in the Executive branch to distract us.

marcus says

It's kind of perverse if you think about it, but republican hatred for Hillary might have actually been what the government needed to keep corruption down.

Instead what we have is a swampfest free for all, with plenty of corruption scandals and assinine behavior in the Executive branch to distract us.

The democrats should currently be doing of what you describe. They SHOULD be criticizing ongoing wars, increased war spending, and increased deficits.

But nah... somewhere a middle aged crazy woman says kavanaugh touched her 50 years ago so the dems have better things to worry about.

rd6B says

Should have paired cuts in taxes with cuts in spending, but may be I'm just being old fashioned and we can borrow and spend ourselves into prosperity

Agreed.

mell says

Should have paired cuts in taxes with cuts in spending

Might be dreaming but I suspect Twump might do that in a 2nd term. Along with new tax cuts. No way he could do that in the 1st and get re-elected.

Jennifer Lawrence is into getting jizz all over her face. This is a !True! American gal.

Keep dreaming AF it will be two transfemale lesbos sucking each other's dicks on CNN

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

You're so GROSS!

THANK YOU!!!

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

I didn't watch it, of course, because bum blasting New Year's Eve is a non-starter.

Heheh

"At that point, everyone will realize that conflict of interest, non-stop lying, generational theft, predatory competition, election-rigging, tax evasion, and grabbing pussy are not traditional American values.

Hey, it is 2020 now. The Clintons are not going to be running again....

Here's the chart 80% of American voters care about.

Latest Leftist Lie:

It's the ROARING 20s! Fake Economy! Fake Low Unemployment! Fake Wage Increases!

This deficit issue is easily fixed by increasing tarrifs and reducing welfare benefits

just_dregalicious says

mell says

Should have paired cuts in taxes with cuts in spending

Might be dreaming but I suspect Twump might do that in a 2nd term. Along with new tax cuts. No way he could do that in the 1st and get re-elected.

Trump is a politician. Only way he lowers spending (i.e. lowering his own influence) is if he is forced to do so.

I'd like to see an executive order that military spending (at least) cant go up if we cut taxes.

Trump does get credit for not starting new wars, and perhaps he will get credit for ending these. BUT if he doesnt end these wars his increase in bombing and war spending will be difficult to rationalize.

It's really too bad the dems focus on impeachment nonsense rather than war/deficits.

Debt can be disappeared by the Fed. We are in an economic war with China, and so we will match bad behavior with bad behavior. Malinvestment is the price to pay in our capitalistic system to enable legitimate business investment. Of course there is inflation, but as long as the basics are within the grasp of the unwashed masses, no revolution.

marcus says

It's kind of perverse if you think about it, but republican hatred for Hillary might have actually been what the government needed to keep corruption down.

Instead what we have is a swampfest free for all, with plenty of corruption scandals and assinine behavior in the Executive branch to distract us.

We already had that, tried it for 8 years of massive massive deficits and incredible spending. Sure we had Republicans occasionally getting interested in budgeting and decreasing the deficit, but mostly they just signed on to the YUUUGE budgets because The Economy!
And they hated Obama every bit as much as they hated Hillary.
So yah, that’s been tried and it didn’t work.
The solution to this problem is still to be found.

marcus says

becasue the repulbican

She from the star wars bar.

just_dregalicious says

Might be dreaming but I suspect Twump might do that in a 2nd term. Along with new tax cuts. No way he could do that in the 1st and get re-elected.

How does one get Congress to agree to this?
Seriously they are like the proverbial drunken sailor.

Booger says

This deficit issue is easily fixed by increasing tarrifs and reducing welfare benefits

I assume you're talking about the welfare received by farmers, defense contractors, and oil companies.

Booger says

How does one get Congress to agree to this?

Good point.

Times Square New Year's is the Great Frotteurism Expo, attracting Biden pervs from all over the nation. No escape from "The Rub 'N Run".

finehoe says

I assume you're talking about the welfare received by farmers, defense contractors, and oil companies.

Obama phones, Food Stamps, Section 8 housing, welfare payments to individuals, earned income tax credit.

Booger says

finehoe says

I assume you're talking about the welfare received by farmers, defense contractors, and oil companies.

Obama phones, Food Stamps, Section 8 housing, welfare payments to individuals, earned income tax credit.

The amount of money spent on your list pales in comparison to the amount spent on the things in my list.

I see you are on-board with the latest Dem play - trying to gaslight everyone into thinking this is a bad economy.

If you are arguing that the world is going to hell in a handbasket, agreed; it always has been and always will be.

finehoe says

Booger says

This deficit issue is easily fixed by increasing tarrifs and reducing welfare benefits

I assume you're talking about the welfare received by farmers, defense contractors, and oil companies.

Yep them too.

finehoe says

The amount of money spent on your list pales in comparison to the amount spent on the things in my list.

I doubt it. I suspect that they are about the same.

Easy enough to check:

With all the global fires' smoke & particulates will we see a cooling effect?

Insufficient mass. Would need a Krakatoa type event for that, as even Mt St Hellen's did not even do that. You'll need to find another 'scuse for when the warming does not happen.

Resentment has all the best attributes of jealousy, inferiority, wanton violent intentions, self centeredness, anarchy, delusion and greed.

What's not to like?

NoCoupForYou says

Here's the chart 80% of American voters care about.

Some significant percentage (even Trump) knows that graph mostly indicates how long it's been since we had a recession. It has been a long one, but arguably not worth the $ 1trillion per year of new deficit spending. Recessions happen, which is why I seriously doubt Trump wants to be President for another term.

This is a surprising graph.




Probably not quite as bad as it looks becasue those boomers dropping out of the labor force have money and SS to spend in the economy.

Still very telling about the lies Trumplodites like to promote.

thomasdong1776 says

Two Years of Trump Tax Cuts: What did they get us?

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Manufacturing




There was a period there in 2017 when the upward slope on this graph was the best it had been in many years, which the right wing media tried to spin as something very different than it was (downplaying certain words). There were even some otherwise smart folks on this forum that fell for it. We're only about halfway back (from recession lows, to 2006 levels).

thomasdong1776 says

Two Years of Trump Tax Cuts: What did they get us?

Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year Marcus:

https://www.adpemploymentreport.com/

Every indicator, including the rise in real wages for the least skilled workers, high consumer confidence, etc. illustrates that we are in a Boom for Workers.