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zzyzzx says

Was rioting legal before?

Floridians are all but immune from all civil lawsuits - including from the NGOs/city/county/state - if one has to ram your way out of a Communist Blockade by car during a riot. Lawsuit filers would have to show a court there was no riot or mob activity in the area within 24 hours FIRST in order to proceed.

It increases the penalties for crimes committed during a riot, including misdemeanors, and makes them ineligible for release until they appear before a Magistrate. Which really screws with the CCP/Globalist backed Bailout+Lawfare tactic.

It establishes a minimum sentence of 6 months in jail for any battery committed during a riot.

It criminalizes the destruction of historical buildings and monuments with up to 15 years in prison.

It prevents blue areas from releasing anybody charged with Breaching the Peace, Unlawful Assembly, Assault, or Theft until they come before a Magistrate.

It prohibits blue areas from refusing to protect persons and property - no withdrawing police or allowing "Autonomous Zones" - and makes the municipality subject to lawsuits if they instruct police not to respond to crime or withdraw entirely from the scene of the riot. In other words, home or business owners can sue if the Lefty Mayor tells the City Police to abandon their street to rioters.

I believe you can also shoot rioters engaging in a felony within a hundred feet or so of your business or domicile, also immune from civil lawsuits unless the plaintiff can prove there WASN'T a riot in the area. This gives the Governor more powers over Lefty Gainesville or Tampa or Broward, since if the Gov declares a riot, no court will accept any argument to the contrary from a plaintiff.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Now you're immune from lawsuits if you have to ram your way out of a Communist Blockade by car in a declared riot zone.

I believe you can also shoot rioters engaging in a felony within a hundred feet or so of your business or domicile, also immune from lawsuits.

Dude, definitely considering moving to Florida.

Another one:

It creates a new crime—mob intimidation—which is defined as two or more people attempting to use or threatening force "to compel or induce, or attempt to compel or induce another person to do or refrain from doing any act or to assume, abandon, or maintain a particular viewpoint against his or her will," punishable as a first-degree misdemeanor (which entails up to a year in jail and up to a $1,000 fine).


So the crowd forcing people eating in restaurants to make the Black Power Salute or chant Black Lives Matter is now a misdemeanor.

So almost none of the people that died from COVID would have died from any of those other causes?

Ok if you’ll notice the total deaths each year are and have been trending upwards. This is entirely predictable as the population is aging and demographics are skewed towards older adults as the Boomers age. Old people gonna cack! It’s what they do. 2020 wasn’t much of an aberration when considered from that standpoint. Deaths were half a million over last year, a 17% increase.

Shaman says

Ok if you’ll notice the total deaths each year are and have been trending upwards. This is entirely predictable as the population is aging and demographics are skewed towards older adults as the Boomers age. Old people gonna cack! It’s what they do. 2020 wasn’t much of an aberration when considered from that standpoint. Deaths were half a million over last year, a 17% increase.

Correct, a lot of drug overdoses (unintentional injuries?) as well. 2020 was a drop in the bucket and hardly an aberration, just a continuing trend. Also the covid-19 deaths are deaths while testing positive, many if not most covid was not the main cause, so pretty much in line with an influenza season. See that little b there? "Deaths with confirmed (= positive bullshit PCR) AND PRESUMED (more BULLSHIT grouping flu, pnemonia and colds into the covid bucket). Conclusion = worthless rubbish.

Any statistics that contain the word "presumed" are rubbish. Math is precise, no room fro "presumptions" or shoddy PCR tests where the infection threshold is completely arbitrary.

Denninger covers this in more detail: https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242128

Interesting that last year they were showing nearly 0 flu deaths for almost the entire year, now all of a sudden, here's a big number that's in line with previous years.

Also read carefully footnote b, "Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19". With money being given out to everything covid, I'm sure nobody would classify a death as covid related unless they were absolutely sure.

mell says

Correct, a lot of drug overdoses (unintentional injuries?) as well. 2020 was a drop in the bucket and hardly an aberration, just a continuing trend. Also the covid-19 deaths are deaths while testing positive, many if not most covid was not the main cause, so pretty much in line with an influenza season. See that little b there? "Deaths with confirmed (= positive bullshit PCR) AND PRESUMED (more BULLSHIT grouping flu, pnemonia and colds into the covid bucket). Conclusion = worthless rubbish.

You're correct. Beyond that. Is it even safe to assume stats are correct from anywhere now? The stats we're given, assuming correct cannot possibly lead to the narrative that is being spun. Covid is real. The "story" isn't.

I think that's hard for some people to navigate. Look at stats and you can create a narrative if you're a thinking person. The problem is people follow the narrative from people that aren't experts in anything #media. Covid kills old and unhealthy people. Age you can't fix, health you generally can. Nah, shut down the country and try and force people to get a poke. That totally makes sense.

All COVID did was kill the already sick and dying a few months earlier than they normally would have from other diseases.

We are already seeing historically low deaths from all causes this year. Excess COVID deaths probably won't show up in 5 year averaging.

Was it really worth fucking our children over for 1.5 years to give the old and sick a few extra months of life?

socal2 says

Was it really worth fucking our children over for 1.5 years to give the old and sick a few extra months of life?

NO!

It really really wasn’t.
And the DIFFERENCE in educational and crime statistics BETWEEN STATES that develop in the next few years are going to be absolutely conclusive about this. States that had Democrat leadership are going to fare much much worse than states with conservatives in charge.
We have a control for this social experiment. It’s called Florida and Kansas vs the experiment in distance education they ran in California and New York. Nobody will take the bet on which kids did better.

All this stats ignore the impact of deaths from:
1) Disruption to medical services caused by "stupid and overly draconian" response.
2) In old age, You need social interactions to retain will to survive. Senior citizens were basically shut in their homes with depressive situation.
3) Lack of fresh air. My parents had hard time not able to go to park and interact with their friends... Made them sicker.
4) Depression.
5) Childbirth related difficulties due to COVID fearmongering.
6) Drugs/Excessive drinking to beat loneliness and "lack of positive news".

I can go on for days or making this pandemic really dangerous, Rather than pointing out that response was the most scary and fatal part.
Living beings are not meant to be in captivity.. What is median age and suicide rate of inmates?

As in life moderation always is best option. You see any happy long life living folks, You will always in them measured in response to everything equivalent of political centrists or independents.
Life is full of gray shades and we should appreciate it rather than coloring everything black and white.
I can give you tons of good points about "Hindoooo" someday, Although I don't feel like to give ammunition to some Hindooo folks here...But I do know those and appreciate it.

WookieMan says

Was it really worth fucking our children over for 1.5 years to give the old and sick a few extra months of life?

The kids were set back a LOT more than a year and a half. The "lost year(s" it is not over yet) will cascade down over the decades to come. I read somewhere that the kids have lost a lot of ground in math, not to mention the emotional trauma of telling kids their actions can "kill grandma".

On the plus side, nobody will be expected to go to work with a cold anymore.

ThreeBays says

The stats show what people died from, and they show there's no impact.

Was it worth it? How many lives do you think were saved by the lockdowns, masking, social distancing, restricting travel, closing schools, and suspending the first amendment?

ThreeBays says

Nobody suspended the first amendment.

Do you even know what the first amendment is?

Maybe you mean that because our first amendment is a right the government CAN"T restrict it?

Restricted it is.

ThreeBays says

I think we saved 1.5 Million lives.

You got the vax. What is your comorbidity?

ThreeBays says

Nobody suspended the first amendment.

Of course and not only the first A. And they "saved" close to zero lives as the curves were dropping sharply even before the vaccine rollout due to herd immunity. Norway calculated that the chance of death is higher from the vaccine than from covid and stopped vaccinating. It's actually possible that longer term lives are lost net net as we don't know about cumulative side-effects.

ThreeBays says

did it for the community

Plenty of vaxxed people still get covid. Now you may say less serious / asymptomatic and thus less "infectious", but that's what was argued in favor of kids and asymptomatic/ healthy adults, yet they were forced by threat of punishment and violence to wear masks, so ergo not much if anything at all was done for the community by vaccination. Can't have it both ways. Better keep wearing that mask til eternity.

ThreeBays says

My wife and I and everybody I know did it for the community and to get our schools open.

Schools should have never been closed. You're free to inject what you want, but it's not necessary.

ThreeBays says

If you're healthy, that's more reason to not be scared of it.

No one is scared. No one needs it. It doesn't stop the spread of covid. It minimizes symptoms. If anything it's likely to put those susceptible to a negative outcome more at risk as people loosening hygiene standards because they think they're "immune" from it. People still die from classic influenza AFTER being vaccinated. No different this time around.

Let the body do its work. Stay healthy. Everyone that still has 9 holes to play in life is going to get this virus. Vaccinated or not.

ThreeBays says

Onvacation says

You got the vax. What is your comorbidity?

Hehe, I'm not worried about my own safety from covid or from the vaccine.

Huh. I kind of figured it was obesity.

Why would a perfectly healthy person take the experimental biologic agent? Asymptomatic spreading has been thoroughly debunked.

ThreeBays says

mell says

Now you may say less serious / asymptomatic and thus less "infectious", but that's what was argued in favor of kids and asymptomatic/ healthy adults, yet they were forced by threat of punishment and violence to wear masks, so ergo not much if anything at all was done for the community by vaccination. Can't have it both ways. Better keep wearing that mask til eternity.

That was rather unintelligible, but anyway masks are hardly the only metric. Lower deaths and hospitalizations, opening of businesses and schools, the ability to gather and attend sports events, all of those are more important than the mask issue.

Masks will be the last measure to be dropped, it's obvious. 85% of independents supported mask mandates... I dont think the GOP is gaining any points by arguing on this issue.

I don't care what goppers say either about this, masks are harmful when worn for a prolonged time and don't work for airborne viruses, and I won't subject any of my family to this bullshit voodoo science. When we're out and about there are no masks, if a private business requires them for a short time I'm ok with it. Not that it will do much of anything, but at least it's a choice to frequent such businesses and events. Outdoors the masks stay off and anyone is welcome to take a roundabout hike of about 3-30 ft or more if they like.

ThreeBays says

increase people's confidence

I still have to see a clinical study showing that masks work. I've see at least one reputable study that masks do not work (Danish study I posted a while ago, and no one here has shown that study is flawed). About vaccinations, they are helpful, but no one should be forced to vaccinate - if I am afraid of covid, I will vaccinate; if someone thinks he is better off without a vaccine, I am fine with him not getting vaccinated and if he contracts covid, it is his own damned problem.

However, policies should not be made just because they make people feel better and more confident. They should be made based on science, otherwise we are back to Salem witch trial-type situation "my crops failed because Mary did not wear a mask, so lets burn her"

ThreeBays says

That was rather unintelligible

Brain fog is a common side effect of the jab.

ThreeBays says

They left out the question about all the major league sports leagues selling out America. Fuck those racially oppressed multimillionaires.

ThreeBays says

Onvacation says

Brain fog is a common side effect of the jab.

I don't think Mell had the jab.

That was funny so one thumbs up

ThreeBays says

Onvacation says

Brain fog is a common side effect of the jab.

I don't think Mell had the jab.

Because Mell is smart and informed.

ThreeBays says

Vaccines and masks increase people's confidence to go back to normal. Anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers are barking up the wrong tree.

There's ZERO data showing masking has done anything. In fact once mask mandates were a thing, cases started rising. As I notice less people wearing them, cases start dropping. It's not "fact" but anecdotal info matters. Touching your mask 5 times a minute is way more than being maskless. AND the masks 90% of people wear can't stop a virus. A viral load can stick to it and make the situation worse.

What's going to happen is we'll see another massive wave. Because those that got vaccinated are going to be lacking on things like hand washing. You can still spread Covid or even other strains of flu if you're vaccinated. It's a virus. Just because your body is able to handle it naturally or via a vax, doesn't mean you still can't spread it. The cat is out of the god damn bag. This is basic, basic science. ER's were NEVER overrun with covid patients. Every news source replayed the same clip over and over of a busy ICU. Gee golly, never has that happened in the history of mankind. So we'll use the only clip we have.

The manipulation is obvious. Myself and others have been pointing it out for the last year on this site. The raw data is out there. If people were truly concern about keeping people alive, go look at data for heart disease. Many conditions that kill MOST people are controllable. You can't control a virus.

ThreeBays says

When the weather gets hot, your A/C goes on, when it gets cold your A/C goes off. Does that mean A/Cs make the weather hot?

Anecdotal info matters, and so dues critical thinking about cause & effect.

Dude, I'm not sure your point. You don't NEED A/C either way. You're kind of proving my point. My neighbors down the street don't use A/C during hot humid IL summers. They're still alive.

You need to be healthy. Eat well. This virus is a monster nothing burger if you do that. You don't need vaccination. You don't need a mask. This is all fact and science.

ThreeBays says

WookieMan says

In fact once mask mandates were a thing, cases started rising. As I notice less people wearing them, cases start dropping. It's not "fact" but anecdotal info matters.

When the weather gets hot, your A/C goes on, when it gets cold your A/C goes off. Does that mean A/Cs make the weather hot?

Anecdotal info matters, and so does critical thinking. That's been missing often from you. Not trying to personally attack you but what's your education level?

The burden is on you to prove that masks do anything but the obvious harm and you haven't done so, neither has anyone else. And you can't and since they do nothing for airborne viruses. So why are you still discussing this point. Wear one of it makes you feel better or if you want to avoid droplet based infections (which is NOT covid) just in case someone sneezes on you. But this is just beating not only a dead but an insanely wrong horse at this point.

ThreeBays says

WookieMan says

Dude, I'm not sure your point.

Yeah, I get it. Again not trying to personally attack you but what's your education level?

Why would that matter? FYI you can attack me if you want, I don't care. I have a college degree. For my age, I'm a 1%'r financially. Degrees don't make one smart either. Money doesn't make one smart.

Anecdotal evidence matters if you're out and about enough. Not going to rehash past comments too much, but according to the narrative I should have gotten severely ill or died by now. So should my 3 kids now. 16 one way flights. Airports. Going out to eat 2x weekly. Not wearing masks. When a National Guard soldier at a point of entry in a US territory doesn't ask for your "mandated" covid test and says it's not a big deal, I don't know, that means something.

There are a lot of things I've experienced that this is bull shit. The biggest being that the 30+ people I know that have gotten covid are all alive and didn't even notice it. One guy went to the doctor. Not ER or ICU. He napped for a week, couldn't smell, and had a slightly more difficult time breathing (#HeWasFat)..

WookieMan says

What's going to happen is we'll see another massive wave. Because those that got vaccinated are going to be lacking on things like hand washing.

Nobody is getting vaccinated. They are taking an experimental biologic agent that does not confer immunity.

ThreeBays says

critical thinking. That's been missing often from you.

Not trying to be personal, but you may be projecting.

I have three degrees and multiple technical certifications. But you don't need an education to smell bullshit.

ThreeBays says

The data implies about 4 out of 5 people that have covid antibodies never knew / were never tested.

Amazing! For such a lethal disease.

So 80% of people who get the Wuhan don't even know?

ThreeBays says

Vaccines and masks increase people's confidence to go back to normal

Placebos have shown to be effective at treatment when the underlying cause was psychological.

Sort of a "perception is reality" situation.

The data is troubling. I've long been on the side that there is no pandemic because the total mortality data for 2020 didn't support it. This post had me rechecking the data and sure enough there was a huge spike in mortality (from all causes) in the last 9 weeks of 2020 that continued into the first 3-4 weeks of 2021. The spike in deaths at the end of the year is unusual, as every year from 2013 through 2020 had the spike occurring later in the spring. This is all based on CDC data through week 12 of 2021.

in 2018, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 3.13% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks
in 2019, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 5.97% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks
in 2020, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 15.07% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks

The total deaths for 2020 should have been slightly below 3 million, not 3.4 million. After the spring spike we were under trend and on track to come in at 3 million but something happened in the last 9 weeks - really accelerating in the last 5 weeks.

I have no faith in the how the CDC classifies the deaths because I believe they are supporting a narrative but I can't deny that there was an spike in overall deaths in late 2020/ early 2021 which is out of the ordinary. I will revisit in the fall to see if this was just an early spike (and if the spike is happening sooner every year) or if it predicted an unusually deadly 2021.

Will there be less deaths in the next few years because deaths were pulled foward in 2020?

RC2006 says

Will there be less deaths in the next few years because deaths were pulled foward in 2020?

Yes, I expect exactly that.

A lot of elderly were bumped off the ledge by this, but it doesn't take much to do them in.

I expect there to be more deaths per year next year and the following ten afterwards. Boomers are aging and dying. It’s inevitable. My boomer parents are getting up there. Have to make the most of the time they have left.
Covid was a bump in the mortality but it was already headed up as @threebays graph clearly shows. Covid probably advanced the deaths of several hundred thousand and another fifty or so who could have lasted another ten to twenty at their current levels of poor health.

The deaths from Covid are, however, insignificant in the long run. What is significant is the horrifyingly inappropriate Covid RESPONSE that many lefty run governments inflicted on the public. That will cause years and maybe even decades of problems, exacerbating poverty, crime, education drop-outs, and worsening the average situation for minorities across the USA significantly.

Just remember: when it came time to protect the rich old white people, they happily tossed PoC communities under the bus, laying off or firing almost all entertainment workers and service workers, a category that is MOSTLY filled by PoC. Then they lied these people into fear of Covid and loathing of their fellow citizens, and urged them to riot and loot to get their aggressions out.

It really was one of the most heinous and cynical policy decisions of all fucking time.
Only a bunch of sociopaths could have come up with it.

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1386291162709901315#m