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115157   Tenpoundbass   2022 Mar 28, 6:26pm  

Dholliday126 says
I like my house so I'm not selling and I'll probably see my paper wealth take a ding,


There's more to consider than appreciation or depreciation, when you have a house, you plan on living in and it's not an investment.
On one hand it's always nice to see your wealth increase on paper(it's not wroth a dime until you sell it), still it's nice to see your tax bill or insurance bill subside with the depreciation. Or at least it should. For me the biggest concern for depreciation is the lack in pride of ownership as people abandon, or rent houses out that are depreciating. They don't keep them up like houses that appreciates, they constantly polish those like a jewel. Unfortunately sometimes depreciation = blight.


I don't know if I can give advice to some of you millionaires here at Patnet with my frugalness or middle class view on Real Estate and the value there of.
I mean I dare not to give anyone advice mulling over a 2 million dollar purchase. The thought of which boggles my mind, of all of the things I would love to spend 2 million dollars on, real estate would not be one of them. At least not my residence house, I could see commercial investing or a huge farm or ranch.
115158   FarmersWon   2022 Mar 28, 10:09pm  

Tenpoundbass says
I don't know if I can give advice to some of you millionaires here at Patnet with my frugalness or middle class view on Real Estate and the value there of.
I mean I dare not to give anyone advice mulling over a 2 million dollar purchase. The thought of which boggles my mind, of all of the things I would love to spend 2 million dollars on, real estate would not be one of them. At least not my residence house, I could see commercial investing or a huge farm or ranch.


Unfortunately the reality of bay area is that lot of printed money get funneled into our area. It is hard to follow @patrick advise as "Housing" is not free market, But a manipulated one with lot of not only printed but bribe money from Asia chasing.
$3M+ houses are common and they were $1.5M pre-bubble and $1M post last bubble.
I am not convinced that rental prices won't increase double digit next few year.. You can agree/disagree on real estate investment.. But one House you must have to protect against Govt schemes to increase house prices.
I came to view slowly as I age that we can't win against house... It is a self torturing exercise at best.
115159   FarmersWon   2022 Mar 28, 10:14pm  

richwicks says
Inflation allows the government to spend unlimited amounts of money. It's a tax on labor that is hidden.

People who get the new money first, have the greatest amount of spending power with that money as well.

So, it's great for the people the control the government, and awful for the people under the government.


I am not sure what the end game of our masters is...?
115160   Patrick   2022 Mar 28, 10:14pm  

Tenpoundbass says
It depends on what you buy and when.


And how much you spend relative to renting the same type of thing. That's my message.

Use a rent-vs-buy calculator and do the math. And for God's sake never believe a realtor about anything, or ask a barber if you need a haircut.

The NY Times, slimy as they are, does have a very good rent-vs-buy calculator:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/buy-rent-calculator.html?source=patrick.net
115161   FarmersWon   2022 Mar 28, 11:04pm  

Patrick says
And how much you spend relative to renting the same type of thing. That's my message.

Use a rent-vs-buy calculator and do the math. And for God's sake never believe a realtor about anything, or ask a barber if you need a haircut.

The NY Times, slimy as they are, does have a very good rent-vs-buy calculator:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/buy-rent-calculator.html?source=patrick.net


It works well in ideal and true capitalist world.
Housing is socialist cesspool in USA.. From artificial supply constraints to govt backed loans, It is made ripe for "price increase" like healthcare and education.
115162   BayArea   2022 Mar 29, 6:25am  

We at Patnet talk like housing is a free market.

It’s not, the game is rigged keeping prices going up up up.
115163   FarmersWon   2022 Mar 29, 9:07am  

BayArea says
We at Patnet talk like housing is a free market.

It’s not, the game is rigged keeping prices going up up up.


It is true, As much as I want it to be "free market", It is not.
The rigging side of equation have powerful interests.

Once "Blackrock" and other big players take hold of large chunk of market, They will push NIMBYism to high gear to create more wealth for themselves.
In a rigged system, You should try to become self sufficient.. Solar, small chunk of agriculture land and house. Above all try to be healthy and hope God keeps you you healthy.
https://slate.com/business/2021/06/blackrock-invitation-houses-investment-firms-real-estate.html?source=patrick.net

Govt can regress to Hindooo way, where even basic toilet is luxury.

/*******Land locked market like bay area will be prime target for these folks and they will raise rents*********/
Let’s focus on Invitation Homes, a $21 billion publicly traded company that was spun off from Blackstone, the world’s largest private equity company, in 2017. Invitation Homes operates in 16 cities, with the biggest concentration in Atlanta, where it owns 12,556 houses. (Though that’s not much compared with the 80,000 homes sold in Atlanta each year, Invitation Homes bought 90 percent of the homes for sale in some ZIP codes in Atlanta in the early 2010s.) While normal people typically pay a mortgage interest rate between 2 percent and 4 percent these days, Invitation Homes can borrow money for far less: It’s getting billion-dollar loans at interest rates around 1.4 percent. In practice, this means that Invitation Homes can afford to tack on an extra $5,000 to $20,000 to the purchase price of every home, while getting the house at the same actual cost as a typical homeowner. While Invitation Homes uses a mixture of debt and cash from renters to buy houses, its offers are almost always all cash, which is a big leg up in a competitive market.
115164   FarmersWon   2022 Mar 29, 9:14am  

https://wset.com/news/local/price-of-fertilizer-skyrockets-could-impact-what-you-pay-for-produce-inflation-costs-virginia-groceries?source=patrick.net
Price of fertilizer skyrockets, could impact what you pay for produce

Ammonia fertilizer prices have increased 210% from September 2020 to December 2021.
During that same period, potassium fertilizer went up 134%.
115166   Eman   2022 Mar 29, 4:03pm  

Buyers are buying in panic in this market if you ask me.
115167   fdhfoiehfeoi   2022 Mar 29, 4:42pm  

FarmersWon says
Question for Economists: Is inflation Good or bad for Federal Goverment Debt?....adding.. Is strong $ good or bad for US?


Inflation is how governments with central banks pay for everything. Since they produce nothing of value, their only option is taxes and inflation, and taxes are really just a cover, as the percentage spent using inflation is MASSIVELY greater. Government debt is always preceded by inflation, it's a function of the system, so couching it as "good or bad?" makes no sense. Necessary would be the more appropriate term.

As to the second part, who is the US? If it's the government, refer to the above. If it's the citizenry, inflation is ALWAYS bad, and a strong currency, which we haven't had in over a hundred years, is vital. Not to our success as much as to our survival.

Anyone who talks about inflation being good for debt has never lived through hyperinflation, and has never read economic history. Wages cannot, and will not keep up with the price of basic goods people need to survive. Need an example, gas, in the US, today. If things continue you can add meat, bread, milk, eggs, produce, food. Yes, your mortgage will technically have less value. But you won't give a fuck, because you don't have enough money for food, so you can't afford the mortgage, or property taxes, or whatever the bill is that's not a about keeping you from starving.

So why do so many people put up with being robbed blind? In a word, greed. Silly as it might sound, most of us are so greedy, inflating the prices of things we own, makes us think we have somehow gained wealth. Notice I didn't say increasing value, I said inflating price.
115168   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2022 Mar 30, 3:07am  

One of the stupider things people of authority say is “out of an abundance of caution” which means roughly “I know what decision the facts and logic support but I’m going to ignore that because if I’m wrong I’m illogically scared of the consequences”

If you hear a government official say out of an abundance of caution, run.
115169   zzyzzx   2022 Mar 30, 4:39am  

Just say no 4WD, DCT's, and (for the most part) CVT's.

If the 2012 - Ford Focus had a regular automatic transmission I'd be driving one today. Actually there is a regular automatic transmission in the sedan, but I prefer hatchbacks.
115170   joshuatrio   2022 Mar 30, 5:04am  

Yeah, AMT is superior. My current car has a CVT and the author is right in that it feels soulless. It is smooth though.
115171   joshuatrio   2022 Mar 30, 5:09am  

Eman says
Buyers are buying in panic in this market if you ask me.


Agree 100%.

As much as I want a new pad, my gut says to watch and wait.
115172   theoakman   2022 Mar 30, 5:38am  

It's really simple, people who are smart in one area mistakenly assume they are proficient in other areas. That's why everyone thought they were an expert on viruses when most of them couldn't even tell you what RNA actually is.
115173   HeadSet   2022 Mar 30, 6:31am  

Sounds like a new term for the baddies to use against anyone catching on to their evil. "My advancement from negative net worth to multi-millionaire in the last two years has nothing to do with my election to office. Amazing the apophenia out there." Also "Only an apopheniac would think the rise in youth heart attacks has anything to do with the vaxx."
115174   RWSGFY   2022 Mar 30, 7:37am  

What? People are struggling to survive in "neoliberal economy"? Puhleeeze! You can literally go from cradle to grave w/o ever holding a job and be fed, clothed and have your medical needs covered. In SF they will even buy you your favorite drugs and booze and deliver them to your luxurious hotel room.
115175   RWSGFY   2022 Mar 30, 7:42am  

It's MT or GTFO!
115176   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Mar 30, 8:48am  

sounds about right

globalism is bad, it hasn’t benefited americans, only ultra rich
115177   NDrLoR   2022 Mar 30, 8:49am  

joshuatrio says
It is smooth though
Like the old Buick Dynaflows 1948-1963.
115178   joshuatrio   2022 Mar 30, 9:11am  

RWSGFY says
It's MT or GTFO!


I'd agree with this. But MT is becoming a rarity these days.
115179   WookieMan   2022 Mar 30, 9:59am  

joshuatrio says
RWSGFY says
It's MT or GTFO!


I'd agree with this. But MT is becoming a rarity these days.

Fun to drive. Even a shit car. But it's a pain in the ass to be honest driving 2 MT's over 12-13 years. I basically have a bus now with the Armada. All the luxuries. I don't need a BMW or some luxury car, but I'll take the high end average car. As long as the stereo works, seat warmers work and I can tow up to 9k lbs I'm satisfied. Oh and it fits my kids. Still pissed about the Sequoia... these car threads piss me off.
115180   rocketjoe79   2022 Mar 30, 10:29am  

How about EV? ICE cars are dead.
115181   richwicks   2022 Mar 30, 2:35pm  

DooDahMan says


What's supposedly in the first picture? A man in the clouds?

Cloud watching was literally a past time 40 years ago I know. I've done it back then, the game is what do you spot, and then getting the other person to see it. Still think my brother screwed with me a few times saying he could see something that I never could. Not like we had cameras back then to force them to explain it.

Anyhow, I think nearly everybody sees faces in the other two images, hardly surprising or shocking.
115182   Eric Holder   2022 Mar 30, 2:59pm  

WookieMan says
I'd agree with this. But MT is becoming a rarity these days.

Fun to drive. Even a shit car. But it's a pain in the ass to be honest driving 2 MT's over 12-13 years.


How is it a pain? I drove many years in the SFBA traffic. No pain. I drove fucking truck-based diesel RV on the wrong side of the fucking road (Australia) and still it was no pain at all.
115183   Booger   2022 Mar 30, 3:02pm  

Traffic killed the manual transmission.
115184   EBGuy   2022 Mar 30, 3:18pm  

rocketjoe79 says
How about EV? ICE cars are dead.

This looks pretty interesting as it powers a supercar (hybrid with a two liter 3 cylinder engine). Via MotorTrend.
The new power unit has been dubbed the "Terrier," and it features Koenigsegg's new compact electric motors, which have now been named after the only known particle that has to deal with all four forces of the universe—the "quark." A single Koenigsegg Quark motor produces 250 kW, or 335 hp, and 443 lb-ft of torque at its peak output, and weighs just 63 pounds....
While we wait for more details on the layout of the Quark motor, we posit it likely has its permanent magnets arrayed in a manner that can be energized either axially or radially, and that there are electric stator winding phases located both radially and axially, and energized independently under whatever conditions are optimal for each design's power and torque delivery. Essentially, Koenigsegg smashed both layouts together and designed programming to make it work.
What you really need to know is that it means "optimal" power delivery from the motor, and doesn't need a transmission or step gears because "the RPM of the motor is right from the get-go," according to CEO Christian von Koenigsegg.
115186   richwicks   2022 Mar 30, 10:14pm  

rocketjoe79 says
How about EV? ICE cars are dead.


No, ICE is FAR from dead.

Electric cars (currently) require rare earths, and the electrical grid (at least in the West) can't handle the load. Electric cars are a fad.

The government can try to force people to move to EVs but the result will be people just won't be driving anymore. That will be the actual result.
115187   mell   2022 Mar 30, 10:24pm  

Still only driving MT today. I will buy used MT cars as long as I can find them. AT always had a gay feeling.. not that there's anything wrong with it ;)
115188   ForcedTQ   2022 Mar 30, 10:40pm  

richwicks says
rocketjoe79 says
How about EV? ICE cars are dead.


No, ICE is FAR from dead.

Electric cars (currently) require rare earths, and the electrical grid (at least in the West) can't handle the load. Electric cars are a fad.

The government can try to force people to move to EVs but the result will be people just won't be driving anymore. That will be the actual result.


I’m pretty sure that is the government desired result. Limit private ease of movement. When only the upper 10% of population can afford to travel, you have a much more captive slave audience…
115189   richwicks   2022 Mar 30, 10:58pm  

ForcedTQ says
I’m pretty sure that is the government desired result. Limit private ease of movement. When only the upper 10% of population can afford to travel, you have a much more captive slave audience…


Could be the direction they want to go, but the United States isn't Europe. There are vast distances between cities and towns. It would push us toward revolution.

Eventually, the population is going to realize the US government itself is at war, and has been at war, against the US citizen.

They had to blatantly steal an election to get to this point and the potato that put into the executive office is an absolute disaster. I know this stupid government though, they will double down. They will put people in place as necessary, and through whatever means necessary - from recruiting politicians to blatant election fraud again. 3 years from now, we'll have a Mitt Romney or some other similar milquetoast "republican" as president - it won't be Trump, UNLESS he's controlled opposition, and maybe he is.

People expect some sort of change with the next election, NOPE! Not going to happen. It will be a bunch of bought and paid for "representatives" that will keep pushing forward into a direction nobody wants to go other than them.

Hollywood has been a major driving force for this sort of propaganda. They are dead. I can see it, that's a major lynchpin of propaganda, and it's broken. Interesting times ahead. If you don't think the propaganda is failing at every level, see the comments on this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiGNjOh71_M



Nobody respects our current president. There's no defense of him at all. I've never seen this before. I saw people fiercely defend George W. Bush, and Obama, and of course Trump. There's nobody defending Biden other than propaganda, and that's all smoke and mirrors. If Cliton was president meathead, there would be defense so I'm rather happy with Biden. If we have to have a meat puppet as president that is going to do nothing but betray the entire country, best to get the most hated and least defensible shithead possible.

We've got that.
115190   Ceffer   2022 Mar 30, 11:35pm  

Car critics to have street creds have to subscribe to the notions that any car that is a 'real' car has to have: 1. manual transmission 2. Rear wheel drive 3. a bit of understeer 4. big, sticky tires 5. as many hp as you can cram under the hood 6 0 to 60 in less than five seconds.

Dumping on CVT is obligatory or you are a car wimp by definition.

It seems that 99.9 percent cars, the ones that do well with 99.9 percent of actual driving conditions for most people, are dumped on because they don't do well in the .1 percent of conditions of the race track or obstacle course.
115191   richwicks   2022 Mar 31, 2:35am  

DooDahMan says
Here's why change blindness happens as well as the effect it can have on how you perceive and interact with the world around you.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-change-blindness-2795010?source=patrick.net


I would need to see an example demonstrated to me, not a claim that it happens. I'm doubtful of this.

One thing our brain recognizes is visual change because we are scavengers/hunters - mostly scavengers. I think this article is talking about more subtle change though and that's not visual.

I have seen psychology demolished in my time. Assisted touch was one I'm pretty closely connected with. I saw a psychologist swear it was true to dismissing it as an awful mistake. Psychology is filled with fraud.
115192   richwicks   2022 Mar 31, 2:56am  

DooDahMan says
richwicks says
Psychology is filled with fraud.


As are politics, business, religion and anything else that humans interact with.


Psychology is far more insidious than you think. It builds a model of human behavior to correct people to. The model is wrong and impossible to achieve, it's a religion.

The most useful psychology books I've read were on evolutionary psychology which explained how morality would have to evolve among any social species - not just man - but any social species.

The models built around current psychological models are impossible positions. No human is like the ideal model. It's like "what would Jesus do?" when Jesus probably never existed, and is just a legend. It's unobtainable. It's a religion - there is no possibility to attain the perfection.
115193   zzyzzx   2022 Mar 31, 5:13am  

richwicks says
That will be the actual result.


That is the desired result, as per the ruling class.
115194   zzyzzx   2022 Mar 31, 5:14am  

#FuckCalifornia
Ruining the rest of the country now.
115195   clambo   2022 Mar 31, 7:13am  

I departed California when I no longer wanted to work. But, California can follow you.

Because I was self employed for a while and still derived some income from the little business that another guy ran, California taxed me for the money derived in California.
The money was not the problem, I was just pissed having to prepare a California 540 form.

I said fuck it and told my clients that I sold the business to the guy.

I have Florida residence, so I can renew my car registration by mail every 2 years.
I can renew my drivers license by mail once for 8 years.

I’m going to spend my time in Baja California Sur Mexico and can take my car down there.
Florida is okay in some places, but I feel very far from California, unlike in Baja which is a quick trip back to visit.

I save about $7,000/year in California taxes, until I begin to spend my investments, which would increase them.

I refuse to pay the rich pensions for goldbricks, cops, firemen, healthcare for illegals, and all the rest.
I can have a good time with the extra dough before I get too old to care about fun.

California is fine if you’re still working or a zillionaire. Now I’m going to be another tourist.

Edit: I established Florida residence and have a bank account here, but I will actually live in Baja California Sur Mexico by the fall.
115196   RC2006   2022 Mar 31, 7:23am  

Ah, this was the first year CA didn't get one penny in taxes from me.

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