patrick.net

Better than the defactco "we're all dipshits".

So yes.

CrazyMan says

There's a ton dude, you'll just dismiss it as hyperbole.

Read up on it sometime http://lmgtfy.com/?q=israeli+intelligence+9%2F11

You're right though, they knew nothing.

They were completely oblivious.

NSA doesn't exist and our govt. and businesses just do happy nice things aroud the world. They're all fucking saints.

Nothing to see here, move along citizen.

Christ.

Post up direct proof that they knew. How hard should that be given your claims? Israel gets hit by missile attacks from Gaza almost on a daily basis. Apparently, their legendary intelligence services are incapable of advanced knowledge of those attacks (or the string of bombings of Egged buses in the 90s etc. etc.) but had complete knowledge of 9/11 because er, you say so.

There is no proof, citizen.

Do you really think it would be that easy?

CNN has recently been proven to take bribes by the govt. to publish certain stories. But hey, they're a reliable source. We should believe them.

We're good here, we're innocent. Everything is just as it seems. Nothing to see here, move along.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

but had complete knowledge of 9/11 because er, you say so.

Because they were there to film the event.

Hey Bigs what is your opinion of Operation Northwoods and of Patrick Clawson? Tell us, in your own words about each.

Why do you want to change the topic? You have posted up the same conspiracy 'theories' for years now. You have used the same videos over and over again. You have posted the same arguments over and over again, whilst simultaneously ignoring anything that contradicts your claims. There is nothing too outlandish that you are willing to use to try and support your 9/11 conspiracy and no contrary fact that you will accept. You are blinded. You have been totally taken over by confirmation bias. You only see what you want to see and all else is discarded as not reinforcing your already formed conclusions. It is pointless arguing with you. You fail to understand the only reason I do it is to amuse myself during down time and the fact that I'm totally flabbergasted by your blustering nonsense and arrogance. "Please read my book." Er, no.

CrazyMan says

There is no proof, citizen.

Do you really think it would be that easy?

CNN has recently been proven to take bribes by the govt. to publish certain stories. But hey, they're a reliable source. We should believe them.

We're good here, we're innocent. Everything is just as it seems. Nothing to see here, move along.

So then you were simply making a baseless assertion. Of what value do you think that is?

OMG, you're right. I'm totally wrong. The world exists only where people in power do the right thing. They're all awesome, I'm an idiot. I should follow in their footsteps.

What was I thinking? You've totally changed my ways, I should be thankful for everything they've done.

My god, how could they do anything wrong. Holy shit I'm saved!!

Get a fricking clue about the world around you, citizen.

HydroCabron says

The Jews don't even bother to lie about it. Al Franken was not in his WTC office that morning, and admits "Yep. I got the Jew call."

Fucking Jews. I heard they eat babies. I think it was on Fox News. Hitler should have finished the job.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Why do you want to change the topic?

I want you to admit the government discussed a false flag in the 1960's. I want you to admit that a neocon openly called for a false flag in 2012.

A neocon called for a false flag in 2012? Of all the things you can point to that your government (or any government) has done, you come up with that example. Good grief. Nobody is denying that governments and organisations within them have done and do a number of illegal things. Iran-Contra, Bay of Pigs etc. etc. What is your point though? Those in no way shape or form prove your assertion that the WTC buildings were brought down by explosives.

No they shouldn't have, obviously.

FFS we should be able to see what has happened, but we cant.

Isreal is not innocent (quite frankly many of them should be lined up) but WE AS A NATION are guilty as shit. We have stood by the atrocities of the world....

But it doesn't' matter. This country will be in ruins in this century. ApocalypseFUCK's predictions will be accurate at some point.

CrazyMan says

OMG, you're right. I'm totally wrong. The world exists only where people in power do the right thing. They're all awesome, I'm an idiot. I should follow in their footsteps.

What was I thinking? You've totally changed my ways, I should be thankful for everything they've done.

My god, how could they do anything wrong. Holy shit I'm saved!!

Get a fricking clue about the world around you, citizen.

Nobody said they do nothing wrong. I asked you for proof of your assertion that Mossad or Aman knew about 9/11 in advance. You have singularly failed to do that. Pretending that I believe governments are all sweetness and light doesn't strengthen your argument. On the contrary, it reinforces the belief that you have nothing substantive to back up your assertions.

CrazyMan says

No they shouldn't have, obviously.

FFS we should be able to see what has happened, but we cant.

Isreal is not innocent (quite frankly many of them should be lined up) but WE AS A NATION are guilty as shit. We have stood by the atrocities of the world....

But it doesn't' matter. This country will be in ruins in this century. ApocalypseFUCK's predictions will be accurate at some point.

Bluster doesn't prove your point.

lol I don't.

You're right, I am wrong. We're all good here, citizen.

Just keep thinking everything is good. We're good (we're AWESOME).

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!

No problem here.

CrazyMan says

lol I don't.

You're right, I am wrong. We're all good here, citizen.

Just keep thinking everything is good. We're good (we're AWESOME).

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!

No problem here.

I'm not American.

It doesn't make a difference, citizen. Enjoy the future.

CrazyMan says

It doesn't make a difference, citizen. Enjoy the future.

I'm not a citizen of your country either. And I'd say that given all that faces humanity now and in the future, you should be putting your conspiracy nonsense very, very far down the list of things to be concerned about.

And that seeks to demonstrate what exactly? One ex-military individual shares your conspiracy theories. Profound stuff indeed.

Why? really?

Maybe that's why your country is so shitty (I have no doubt that it is) because your citizens have so little to worry about.

There's nothing worse in the world than being a country that is irrelevant.

Congrats on your life.

CrazyMan says

Why? really?

Maybe that's why your country is so shitty (I have no doubt that it is) because your citizens have so little to worry about.

There's nothing worse in the world than being a country that is irrelevant.

Congrats on your life.

England is a pretty decent country, but thanks for the arrogant not to mention moronic remarks. I'd expect nothing more from you.

'Professor', quoting a bunch of military individuals (and not particularly high ranking ones either) who share your conspiracy views is proof of nothing. What is it that you are actually trying to demonstrate?

egads101 says

The magic number for inventory is 6 months, if you do not see the magic 6, the prices shall continue to rise.

Overly simplistic analysis based on market behavior since post WWII.

The bigger and more subtler problem is that your avg. American has been getting poorer since the late 70's/early 80's despite working as hard or harder as he ever had. This is because wages have stagnated or even declined as labor has lost bargaining power with capital and we have transitioned to a service economy where most jobs are low paying and unspecialized labor.

At the same time retirement funds have been severely depleted or wiped out entirely by 2 back to back bubbles (.com & housing) in the US. So the older generation cannot fund another boom or bubble as their retirement. What little money they do have left will be wiped out by the costs of healthcare which even if they went down, and it won't since the best that can be hoped for is a large decrease in the rate of increase, would still be too expensive.

The younger generation is hamstrung by high college debt and the near unavailability of decent paying full time entry level jobs. They can barely keep food on the table even while living in their parents basement with the McJobs they can get. Those jobs also have no real opportunities for advancement either and often have little or no benefits too. They are the age group that normally buys those starter homes and many of them are now into their mid to late 20's, even early 30's, and still have no ability to get a house. Nor likely will they ever, short of inheriting their parents house of course.

None of that is going to change either any time soon.

Indeed the best we can realistically hope for is that we don't get another recession, which is optimistic to say the least. The US tends to get them every 7-10 yr and our economy is no longer so big that we can easily weather an economic shock from foreign economies if they go into recession too.

We're probably going to continue to along a path similar to what Japan has experienced following its big bust in the late 80's since that is the path of least political resistance.

http://www.businessinsider.com/richard-koo-the-world-in-balance-sheet-recession-2012-4?op=1

Sadly for Japan it looks like the demographics bomb (too many and eventually more old people than young people, olds start collecting on their retirement money to live off and eventually need more and more healthcare, *boom* goes the economy) is going to go off before they ever really reach a solid recovery despite a redoubling of efforts on their governments' part lately. They've been throwing money like mad at businesses and the rich to start development programs but none of that money is trickling down to raise worker's wages.

It never could of course, as we Americans learned from Ronnie Raygun in the 80's, trickle down economics never works.

http://rt.com/op-edge/fukushima-disaster-economy-debt-stimulus-840/

England is a great country, but clearly irrelevant, no doubt.

It just follows along in the footsteps...

It has a leash that is controlled by the US.

Sit ubu sit.

BTW, I've been drinking a lot. So stop making me fun of me :).

Our govt..... er god damn businesses have nothing to do but hide from what they have done.

We should string them up. Hailburton? Lockheed? Goldman Sachs? BofA?

Holy Christ hang them.

The world would be a better place.

The Professor says

Bigs, I can see you're replying to me from the main page. Please don't bother. I got tired of your tedious bullshit and put you on ignore. I suggest you do the same for me and then you will not have to see my posts.

But since you still can...

You got tired of my tedious bullshit and put me on ignore? Good, though it's strange how you keep responding to my posts. Not to mention that it's a bit rich for a repetitive conspiracy bullshitter to be complaining about another poster being tedious. One would even be inclined to say it was laughable. Tedious would be someone posting up exactly the same videos and images into the double digits. I wonder who that might be...

Wow, this assertion is off the charts. You are aware, bgamall, that a disproportionate number of Jews worked at Cantor Fitzgerald, including a guy I went to college with, and all those people perished? Daniel Lewin, CTO of Akamai Technologies, and a former member of Sayeret Matkal of the IDF special forces, was one of the first people killed on AA Flight 11, as he took on some of the hijackers, right?

One would think that if there were a big conspiracy, that Cantor would have closed down, and Lewin especially would not have boarded that flight.

I don't think we know the whole story on the 9/11 attacks, but to propose the Israelis were behind it rivals birtherism. You just lost any credibility you have by posting clips from Russia Today and Faux News.

Even Matt Taibbi, one of the biggest critics ever of US policies, says most 9/11 conspiracy theories are rubbish.

@tts that was very well put. Economic cycles are circular, but there's a difference between short cycles (bubble/recession) and longer term civilization cycles where government policies have long term and lasting effects on a population that wind up affecting the economy in a big way and lead to collapse or government change.

egads101 says

Banks gave very stupid loans from 2001 - 2007.

Since then, they've been stupid the other way, denying loans that are quite safe.

tts says

We're probably going to continue to along a path similar to what Japan has experienced following its big bust in the late 80's since that is the path of least political resistance.

True.
I don’t see interest rising in near future. More likely will drop to 3.5-4% on 30y fix. Federal budget debt is not helping at all. Only a small percentage of people received rise in jobs. Most salaries are stagnating for years. Job creation is way, way bellow needs, keep employers in driving seats so they can terrorize and ride on workers as much as they can, with danger of being fired. 1% is not interested in opening new businesses, lack of incentives. They just look where to park the money or buy existing business.

The headline looked interesting, but the writer cites wikipedia, and here are two of his other articles

Obama Stop Arming Rebels Who Kill Christians Just to Further Zionism
I Have a Few Funny Arkansas Ozark Phrases You May Find Funny

I'd search for a more legit source before linking to this story.

HydroCabron says

ALL conspiracy theories about 9-11 are true!

ALL conspiracy theories are true! The internet says so.

We know. You are Argentinian.

Bigsby says

CrazyMan says

lol I don't.

You're right, I am wrong. We're all good here, citizen.

Just keep thinking everything is good. We're good (we're AWESOME).

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!

No problem here.

I'm not American

Hey, you can't say anything bad about Cruz. He's a Hispanic, or Latino, or just a guy with a Spanish name. Affirmative action police siren. You are under arrest for the crime of discrimination, and general not PC behavior.

He could be part of the Yinon gang...

bgamall4 says

His wife is employed by Goldman Sachs!

You got it backwards.
His wife is employed by goldmans's sac....

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

bgamall4 says

Lol, I have a get out of jail card. His wife is employed by Goldman Sachs!

No wonder he's filled with wonder at is own righteousness and authority. Goldman Sachs sucks *his* cock.

Waitingtobuy says

Russia Today

RT is a hundred times more credible than any jew-owned news network.

it is no secret that the zionists control America and are the root cause of its destruction.

http://tomatobubble.com/id199.html

the main reason why China gets hated by the jew media is because China told the zionist bankers to go fuck themselves, the reason why China is financially sound and the U.S is NOT!

Hitler was VERY wise man.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Why do you want to change the topic? You have posted up the same conspiracy 'theories' for years now.

Because you don't listen. You don't listen to the obvious. You don't listen to the firefighters who were witness to explosions in the towers prior to collapse. They were on the bottom floors. You don't listen that real Squibs were observed shooting out of the towers. So I change the subject to try to help you understand what went on.

YOU don't listen. You see things that don't exist, you imagine yourself an expert above actual experts, you accept ALL evidence of a conspiracy no matter how utterly ridiculous, and you discount ALL evidence that disproves your moronic beliefs. You have a screw loose. There doesn't seem to be a conspiracy that you don't believe.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

England is a pretty decent country

No it isn't. Just like Israel abuses the USA by miring us in the middle east, so to does the Square Mile abuse us by miring us in housing bubbles and credit crises.

Duh. Here we go again.

The Professor says

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

If they involve more than one person, you'll be able to read competing versions of it in book stores.

They are there. But the interwebs are cheaper.

I have read it all. Some say it was controlled demolition. Others say small yield nuclear devices or focused energy weapons. There is a very popular widely believed conspiracy theory that box cutter armed jihadis took down WTC7 with office fires. I even read that it was farting nuns.

I believe that I don't know how 9/11/2001 happened; but I don't believe the NIST or 9/11 commission reports.

Bollocks. You believe the buildings were brought down by controlled demolitions. That is the view that you constantly and repetitively post on here.

bgamall4 says

SoftShell says

I can back CrazyMan up on this one...

I heard Ziva confirm pre-9/11 knowledge on her farewell show.

Bigsby says

Nobody said they do nothing wrong. I asked you for proof of your assertion that Mossad or Aman knew about 9/11 in advance.

People are trying to read facts, not irrelevant BS. If you don't pare it back I will delete you.

Perhaps you could stop adding photos to my posts. Just a suggestion. And whilst you are at it, maybe you could add some actual facts to your posts rather than just conspiracy nonsense. You could start by trying to help out Crazyman seeing as he singularly failed to supply ANY actual evidence for his claims about Israel.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

you accept ALL evidence of a conspiracy

Yeah, Squibbs, White Smoke, Firefighters testimony, all those proofs that you say are not proofs. But then you post no proof.

Post no proof? I and others have responded to everything you post. You simply ignore facts. Random dust and debris being forced out of the building by downward pressure are squibs to you. Confused eye witness testimony by a couple of firefighters at a location unconnected to the point of collapse is absolute proof to you. And 'white smoke' is, well what the fuck is that laughable bit of 'proof' that you are now peddling? You don't deal in facts. You deal in conspiracy nonsense.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Duh. Here we go again.

Thatcherism resulted directly in our housing bubble and I can prove it.

I thought you Americans were strong on personal responsibility. Obviously not in your case.

bgamall4 says

egads101 says

care to name ANOTHER time in history when 1000's of people were told an earth shattering secret and managed to keep it?

If Israel Shahak had not interpreted the Yinon Plan into English, the strategy of regime change could have been kept a secret.

You must be having a laugh. Everything you post comes across as parody.