patrick.net

I don't particularly buy into the scenarios bgmall peddles, but i fully understand that once you internalize the FACT that the supplied narrative is manipulated, (for foreign or domestic policy rationales or opportunism, because of upcoming elections, determined partisan spin, to coverup institutional and departmental ineptitude and error or just 'cause they are pathological secret keepers), you then don't know when you CAN believe them.
About anything, ever.
There is no institution, public or private, that really cares if the general population is truthfully informed.
So people, like Homeboy, that believe that Brian Williams (or Homeboy's secret crush Rachael Maddow) is telling them everything they need to know will always be irritated at someone who, though they may not have access to THE TRUTH, at least retains their skepticism and tries to figure it out.

Also:
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers" -- Thomas Pynchon

Robert Sproul says

I don't like to nitpick but, were they State sponsored?

Sandy Hook, no. Apparently evidence has just come to light that the 911 hijackers were sponsored by people in Saudi Arabia.

Robert Sproul says

If so who knew about it and when?

I guess the Saudis who sponsored it knew about it whenever they decided to sponsor it. Americans knew about it when it was happening. U.S. intelligence had a lot of good clues that it was going to happen, but they pretty much dropped the ball on that.

Any more questions?

Homeboy says

Any more questions?

When you dream about Rachael Maddow is she using a strap-on?

Robert Sproul says

When you dream about Rachael Maddow is she using a strap-on?

No, she's doing scissors. Your comment is actually really weird, since the 911 conspiracy theory is more of a left-wing thing, and while Maddow doesn't seem to believe in it, Randi Rhodes, who is probably even more left wing than Maddow, does.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

But just as a logistical point, can you tell where the disappeared kids went and what or who was actually buried during the funeral services and how the coroners and embalmers who pulled into the conspiracy and kept quiet?

You are usually so right on that i'm mystified why would you actually ask a conspiracy nut like bigmouth to provide logical explanations of all the inconsistancies. That's just silly.

tatupu70 says

No--again, I don't think you comprehend what I wrote. It seems like you have a problem with nuance. What I wrote was that is was a much more complicated issue than you seem to believe and that there were compelling reasons to both bailout GM and to allow GM to go into bankruptcy.

tatupu70 says

See--now this is page one from the trollish playbook.

Page one? I don't think so. A lot more thought went into that insult than just saying, "Duh, you're getting emotional."

Of course mortgage apps. are falling, no one wants to make an offer or have to deal with paperwork to buy a house that's OVERPRICED by 90%.

When you resort to posting lame pictures, you've pretty much given up, huh.

Robert Sproul says

Homeboy says

Any more questions?

When you dream about Rachael Maddow is she using a strap-on?

I think I just leaked a little.

Ducky said: Fed continues QE, gold gets slammed.
In all fairness, they are slowing down the printing presses.

This video presents facts that just can't be true! More importantly, the narrator is f'ing hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/embed/g4d2g9XIFnE

debyne says

Strategist says

If the kids are still alive, where are they?

If you want to prove the shooting was a hoax, just prove the kids are still alive.

How about using victim photos of children who are alive and had nothing to do with the "massacre"?

Nobody have an explanation for this? Anyone? I really need closure...PLEASE! Strategist...where the hell are you?!?!? I need your wisdom.

I can't believe a gov't conspiracy and mainstream media could disgrace a living child!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/VEqrUbac2yo

Well, I am completely uncomfortable having any kind of an opinion about any Sandy Hook shit.

But, people should be able to understand that there is an enormous amount of ground between thinking that Cheney/Mossad planted thermite and believing the self-serving 911 Commission Report is more of a coverup than a "report"

The corporate media's job is to keep us distracted and to control the boundaries of public discourse. Hence the appellation of "conspiracy nut" to any one that thinks that the we don't yet know who killed JFK.

I wish the more credulous amongst you would explore the Pat Tillman CONSPIRACY. Or the CERTAIN FBI prior knowledge re: OK City.
Or this:
FBI agents, as reported in the NYT, were indeed overseeing the bombers in the '93 WTC bombing. The article, "Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast," reported:
"Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City's tallest towers. The explosion left six people dead, more than 1,000 injured and damages in excess of half a billion dollars."

They lie about everything all the time because they have no fear of the corporate controlled media, or respect for the American people.

And again:
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers" -- Thomas Pynchon

Iwag says

now this idiot is in every thread parroting the lie that prices will be up substantially in 2014

So far the idiot is you who has predicted continuous crashing for the last 5 years and was completely wrong. Meanwhile my house has gotten refinanced which has brought it down on a monthly basis to way below rent costs but also the value has gone up so I was able to secure a 100k home Equity which is laying around waiting to be used :) Meanwhile rents have skyrocketed.
If I had paid attention to your kind I would be royally f-ed now.

But I know...crash is coming...next year...or after next year...or the one after that one..or possibly one more after that one...damn it...a crash WILL COME!!

:)

Merry Xmas!

Robert Sproul says

Well, I am completely uncomfortable having any kind of an opinion about any Sandy Hook shit.

That feeling is what's referred to as cognitive dissonance.

bgamall4 are you saying that no children died and that it was just an elaborate hoax? So all the teachers and staff were in on it? What about the parents and the kids that went to the school? Why was this done to begin with according to you? Who benefits?

bgamall4 says

Papercut says

Funny all the comments here calling Schiff's point blasphemy. Schiff's point is a truism and is crystal clear - how do people not get that?

Schiff is a 1 percent fool. These corporations can afford to pay a little more. Henry Ford paid people to make and buy his cars. Eventually, if the world's workers cannot afford to buy what they make, the world will enter the mother of all depressions.

LOL. Another idiot fooled by old Henry's propaganda. There were more than 15 million copies of Model T made. How many workers did Henry Ford have during the time of Model T? 10,000? 100,000? Even if every single one of Henry's worker bought a Model T, they would have amounted to less than 1% of total production volume. Henry Ford had to pay more because work on his production was BORING! He was talking the talk to stir up restlessness among workers at other carmakers, which had higher production cost. If Henry were alive today, he'd probably lobby for raising minimum wage in order to bankrupt his competitors.

bgamall4 says

If it was not for the internet, MSM would have us all believing that 9/11 was not caused by the neocons and maybe some of their Israeli friends.

Were it not for the Internet, fewer people would waste their money on homeopathy, more would get their children vaccinated, and fewer would get scammed by Alex Jones and similar low-life shysters.

dtbristol says

are you saying that no children died and that it was just an elaborate hoax? So all the teachers and staff were in on it? What about the parents and the kids that went to the school? Why was this done to begin with according to you? Who benefits?

I know you're not asking me, but I'm going to give you my opinion anyway. I don't know what really happened because so much has been hidden from the public. What I do know is that things are not what they seem and there's something definitely fraudulent going on. If the gov't would release the security video and allow an independent investigation, we may be able to actual know what happened. However, that will never happen because the truth was hidden for a reason.

Based on the mere fact that stricter gun laws were implemented in both New York and Connecticut right after Sandy Hook happened are symptoms of real motive, and I do believe that the gov't has every interest in disarming the public for purposes of easier control.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

bgamall4 says

Tony, I don't believe anyone died. It wasn't a false flag, but rather a hoax.

Even if that was true, how do you get a whole town to participate in a hoax that requires them to repeat devastatingly cruel lies about the deaths of their own kids? Who would have any hope of success in asking just one of the parents to participate in this fraud? Even the most sold-out zealot would know no parent could countenance the suggestion of any kid either being harmed or their deaths fictionalized for an amorphous political movement.

Clinton could not keep his Monica affair a secret. How the hell do you convince a whole town?
All it takes is one person to spill the beans and sell their story to the media for $1 million.

So far the idiot is you who has predicted continuous crashing for the last 5 years and was completely wrong. Meanwhile my house has gotten refinanced which has brought it down on a monthly basis to way below rent costs but also the value has gone up so I was able to secure a 100k home Equity which is laying around waiting to be used :) Meanwhile rents have skyrocketed.
If I had paid attention to your kind I would be royally f-ed now.

But I know...crash is coming...next year...or after next year...or the one after that one..or possibly one more after that one...damn it...a crash WILL COME!!

:)

Merry Xmas!

Look at this massive idiot, he is bragging about having a mortgage that he was able to "refinance"! lol

that's great! that's greeaaaaaaaat! hahaha

Merry xmas

Strategist says

Clinton could not keep his Monica affair a secret. How the hell do you convince a whole town?

And then there's Watergate: they couldn't do a simple burglary job on a hotel room without getting caught.

To hear the modern conspiracist tell it, Nixon would have picked up the gray phone (on the White House desk, with the Star of David on the receiver), placed a call to Illuminati Central Ops, and had the burglars quietly released. Reel-to-reel tapes, which self-destruct 5 seconds after play, would have informed the editors and managers of all media outlets to keep schtum. Any uncooperative hotel security or maids, or, in particular, young ambitious reporters with no respect for authority, with big mouths would have been liquidated within hours, à la Three Days of the Condor or The Parallax View.

All Illuminati members connected with the operation, including entire swaths of the CIA, FBI, State Department, and CREEP hierarchies, as well as all their ex-spouses, children, and sex workers, would have kept quiet for the rest of their lives.

This requires a belief in extremely high competence among government officials, which has never been seen in 4,500 years of recorded history. But maybe the Illuminati-Zionists deliberately created that record of incompetence, going back to Imhotep at the time of the Old Kingdom in Egypt. Maybe they are just that good - the preservation of the State of Israel demands nothing less.

Of course, if they are really that good, it would be simpler and cheaper to have just built Israel outright and preserved it over thousands of years, but I guess these devils prefer the hard, roundabout way. Hence the need to fake elementary-school massacres to gain power in a country in which AIPAC already owns the President and Congress.

SubOink says

Meanwhile rents have skyrocketed.
If I had paid attention to your kind I
would be royally f-ed now.

@SubOink - isn't this the anniversary of your purchase? If so, I hope you post that again. I kinda like seeing how much bearish pushback you get on each anniversary...almost as a barometer of where we are in the economic cycle.

bgamall4 says

You are so full of shit. You know the technological advancements in our age.

If the Illuminati-Zionists could stage the Kennedy Assassination in front of several hundred people, and keep around 1000 people - the bare minimum number who would have to know that the killing was planned - quiet for up to 50 years, then the Watergate burglary would have been no problem.

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Wednesday, December 18, 2013 __ Level is 103.7

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

And up to date (by me) is here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

And http://patrick.net/?p=1230886

Strategist says

The truth is....no one cares for the Walmart workers. They don't give a rat's ass for them. People only care for themselves. Anyone who claims otherwise is lying.

Not entirely true. Yes, people don't care about Walmart workers. However, it is a false dichotomy to state that either people must care about strangers or people only care about themselves.

Clearly, mothers in general care about their children. Siblings care about each other. Friends, to a large degree, care about one another.

Human beings are not purely altruistic, but altruism is a major factor in our evolution.

Strategist says

Higher wages foe Walmart and McDonald workers means I have to pay for it. No way

Actually that's not so as I proved here.

Your conclusion is based on the faulty assumption that production costs determine price. This is only the case in which profit margins are near zero.

In most situations the price is determined by what the market will bear, not how much it costs to produce a good or service. For example, that $120 shirt in the mall cost only $2 to make and ship to the U.S. It costs $120 because that is what the buyers will pay for it.

Similarly, the Walmart workers produce far more wealth than they get back in pay and benefits. Hence, the cost of those Walmart goods is not determined by the expense of the workers, but rather buy what the Walmart customers will bear.

See the post I reference for the math.

Dan8267 says

Similarly, the Walmart workers produce far more wealth than they get back in pay and benefits. Hence, the cost of those Walmart goods is not determined by the expense of the workers, but rather buy what the Walmart customers will bear.

See the post I reference for the math.

I read the math you posted I think yesterday. I don't think it's realistic.
Look at this math.....
If the minimum wage roughly doubles to $15.00 what about all the workers who get $12.00? Do you think they will be happy with the new minimum wage of $15.00? No, they will not. They will say, hey, I am better qualified than this teenager whose only skills are to pick his nose. I finished 10th grade, and worked my way up. I want to keep getting minimum plus 50%. So now he deserves $22.50. The same thing happens to everyone above him. Eventually the whole country gets double wages.
If the whole country now makes twice as much, do you think everyone who goes out to spend will be able to purchase twice as many cars, homes, shoes, vacations etc.? NO. Not possible. Goods and services have to be PRODUCED first. All you will have is a doubling of prices and everyone will be back to square one. It's called - Wage push inflation.
The point is simple....Real wages are determined by productivity, not adding zeroes to the pay check. Only an open market can determine what the fair wages ought to be, not you, me or the President.
I agree we ought to have some form of minimum wages to prevent exploitation, but demanding twice as much because "We want a living wage" is ridiculous, and not gonna happen.

Strategist says

I read the math you posted I think yesterday. I don't think it's realistic.

Look at this math.....

Your statement regarding the doubling of the minimum wage have nothing to do with the realism of the math I posted. The numbers are factually correct, and the math itself is mere arithmetic. It is indisputably correct.

However, feel free to attempt to point out a factual or mathematical error. You will not be able to correctly do so.

As to the issue of whether or not doubling the minimum wage would be good for the economy or not, I defer to The Atlantic which makes a good case that raising the middle wage, which is at historic lows, would be good for the economy.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

I read the math you posted I think yesterday. I don't think it's realistic.

Look at this math.....

Your statement regarding the doubling of the minimum wage have nothing to do with the realism of the math I posted. The numbers are factually correct, and the math itself is mere arithmetic. It is indisputably correct.

However, feel free to attempt to point out a factual or mathematical error. You will not be able to correctly do so.

As to the issue of whether or not doubling the minimum wage would be good for the economy or not, I defer to The Atlantic which makes a good case that raising the middle wage, which is at historic lows, would be good for the economy.

Your assumptions behind your math are incorrect, not your addition.
A sharp jump in the minimum wage will inevitably increase teen unemployment. This in turn will lead to higher crime, especially in inner cities, followed by higher incarceration costs. How does that help the economy?
If you want to really help the economy and society in general lets spend more money in education and turn more people into productive, taxpaying citizens. How about free education like in Finland, all the way to PhD? I would gladly pay more taxes for that, but free handouts or doubling up minimum wages cannot work.

Dan8267 says

I defer to The Atlantic which makes a good case that raising the middle wage, which is at historic lows, would be good for the economy.

Yes but just think of the new businesses that could emerge in this country if we can bring the cost of labor down !!

If we could get children working for say $10 per day, just imagine how much better we could compete with China !

The next step at this point is ending all public worker unions. We can find adequate people to do those jobs for way less, with no benefits. If cops have to engage in a little crime on the side, to get by, like they do in Mexico and many third world countries, then so be it.

Once we end all public worker unions and lower their pay and benefits down, we'll be ready to ratchet things down a level or two in private sector jobs too (the public sector will no longer be an option - corporate workers will have no choice but to accept lower pay). It's a zero sum game after all. How can corporations increase returns to shareholders if they can't bring the cost of labor down ?

When inflation kicks in we just won't raise their pay as much as prices increase (that is, as fast as the dollar is losing value). They will hardly even realize their pay is dropping.

Now is the time for real estate investors to think hard about where the private gated communities and the resort communities are going to be and where the shanty towns will be. Every major city is going to have to have huge ghettos or shanty towns. This is simply part of the price of free market capitalism.

Strategist says

Clinton could not keep his Monica affair a secret. How the hell do you convince a whole town?

All it takes is one person to spill the beans and sell their story to the media for $1 million.

That's your argument? None of this could've happened because people can't keep a secret? Good thing you're not a judge or a lawyer, and I pity the fool that has you as a juror.

By the way, you never gave me a response to my earlier post.

debyne says

Strategist says

Clinton could not keep his Monica affair a secret. How the hell do you convince a whole town?

All it takes is one person to spill the beans and sell their story to the media for $1 million.

That's your argument? None of this could've happened because people can't keep a secret? Good thing you're not a judge.

By the way, you never gave me a response to my earlier post.

People cannot keep a secret. There is always someone who will expose the facts for a few bucks. You know what they say in Washington....." If you want a friend, get a dog" when Monica pleasured Clinton in the Oval Office only two people knew about it, yet the secret was out. Events like 911, moon landing, and Sandy Hook would require thousands of people including the janitors, the spouses, friends and even the corner whore.
It's impossible to keep things under cover when all you need is one person who is willing to sell the story. When you combine that with a lack of motive on the part of the government, and a dozen other arguments, you are left with one simple conclusion...utter nonsense.
By the way I apologize for not responding to your earlier query, but the question was not clear to me.

bgamall4 says

If you spend time watching this video of Sandy Hook, you will see people, many people, wandering aimlessly around.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/government-terror/going-in-circles-.html

Yeah, the fact that we have no idea what that's about sure is inciminating. MAybe those were parents and friends of family of kids that were killed, waiting for confirmation of the status of their child. And they had to keep moving because there wasn't a place for them to wait. But they couldn't be told to buzz off either, because of the dire nature of the information they were waiting for (pictures, of faces of the deceased), information that they were very much entitled to . Maybe half of them are media, and or some state or federal agents of some kind, who knows, it doesn't look all that strange to me. I don't know what that situation is supposed to look like.

We don't know what's going on with those people. But we do know you're either an idiot or else you're suffering from some psychiatric problem that distorts your perception of reality, probably both.

The fact that you think such a hoax is even possible proves a severe lack of reasoning ability on your part.

Here's some airbrushing samples. Studio photos such as those are often touched up a fair amount. It's easy for even the novice with photoshop. But that was a professional studio picture.

Maybe it's you that needs to wake up, and also be ashamed of yourself.

http://www.photoshopessentials.com/photo-editing/healing-brush/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/janelegate/7781857024/in/pool-1265238@N23/

http://cosmetic-makeovers.com/2007/05/16/using-photoshop-to-retouch-real-people

Then again, maybe we should all cut bg some slack. Maybe part of his issue is that he can't fathom what really happened. I can't either really, that is I don't really go to a place where I fully comprehend it. That is, the truth that someone walked into a school and shot a bunch of young children seems pretty impossible too. It's not something I'm going to dwell on very long. I don't want to think about it.

If it didn't actually happen, that would be nice.

Strategist says

Your assumptions behind your math are incorrect, not your addition.

There are no assumptions behind the math on the posting about Walmart wages. The numbers are hard facts.

Strategist says

A sharp jump in the minimum wage will inevitably increase teen unemployment. This in turn will lead to higher crime, especially in inner cities, followed by higher incarceration costs. How does that help the economy?

Where is the evidence for your assertions? I could just as easily assert that a sharp rise in the minimum wage would allow adults who have to support themselves to do so without resorting to violent crimes, thereby having the opposite effect that you speculate.

Also, where is the math behind your assertions that the minimum wage is either ideal or too high even though it has fallen in real dollars over the past 30 years? On what numbers are you basing that assertion?

tatupu70 says

When you resort to posting lame pictures, you've pretty much given up, huh.

I've given up trying to get you to actually take a position on this issue and stick with it, yes. With all the waffling you're doing, it doesn't look like that will ever happen.

Homeboy says

I've given up trying to get you to actually take a position on this issue and stick with it, yes. With all the waffling you're doing, it doesn't look like that will ever happen.

lol. My position has been consistent throughout the thread. The bailout prevented demand from falling at a time when keeping demand was very important.

In that respect it was good. Unfortunately, there were many not so good results from the bailout as well. IMO, the bad probably outweighs the good.

I'm sorry that you didn't like that I illustrated a good result from the bailout. Hopefully, it opened your mind--at least just a crack.

tatupu70 says

Call it Crazy says

It fun to watch a landlord be scared shitless worrying about his investments losing value...

Wow--you have kind of a warped sense of what is "fun". Taking pleasure at other's perceived misfortune? You're one of the "good" ones, huh?

You seem confused. Rooting home higher housing costs, is taking pleasure at everyones misfortune.