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CaptainShuddup says

This guy is not Right!

You mean, "This guy's TOO far right". For that, I blame the citizens, particularly the midterm voters who, out of fear and a loss of gray matter, made the baggers ascendant, albeit briefly.

FunTime says

That's not the problem.

Embarrassed not to elaborate. How annoying. There are enough areas of San Francisco that are very low density to allow for thousands of more housing units added to the supply. People, especially house owners, are VERY reluctant to let this housing as it is a very simple reason for house prices to go down. People in San Francisco are terrified of house prices going down since most have WAY overspent. The house owning population is quite motivated and when spurred become exceptionally vocal.(wow did I use a lot of adverbs!)

Paralithodes says

Above is a perfect example of how the typical "liberal" forum member here is so blinded by their own ideology, that they don't even recognize the extent to which their own side does the exact same thing they complain about.

Oh contraire my friend... You see, I mentioned this before but its worth mentioning again. I grew up in the super-conservative, always- Republican voting South, at one point actually voted for Republicans, and when I grew up I was able to see past all of the crap that conservative politicians have used to fill their constituent's heads with. Blinded? Hardly. More like the recognition over reality versus the fiction many conservatives in the US believe in.

Heraclitusstudent says

Removing $800 billions of spending is like removing 5% of the GDP, plus second order effects, probably enough to start a downward spiral.

The key word in GDP is product. The warfare industry produces no product. In fact that industry destroys wealth.

To say that war increase the GDP is to say that natural disasters like Katrina increase the GDP or that a rapist increases the GDP because his victims need psychological counseling.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/I2QHj75Ulmo

BLOODBATH TUESDAY!

Bigsby says

The nightmare just keeps getting worse and worse, doesn't it. LOL

Don't worry, he's going to double-down on the double-down of his double-down.... after he sells his five houses. Or was it six?

Just closed out all my short positions and am 100% long. This thing is going to the moon. Yellen is our savior! All hail the queen. Cash holder or shorts will get clobbered. Renters will go broke also. Buy stocks, buy houses, buy cars. We are approaching the best time every in the wealth of the American system and the global economy for that matter. Vietnamese are eating at McDonalds finally! Don't bet against the power of Yellen, she can shit money at will.

Meanwhile, Fannie and Freddie continue to pay dividends to the taxpayer... errr, government... I mean Treasury.
Later this month, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are likely to report earnings that will result in them paying the U.S. Treasury more than the $187 billion they received starting in 2008.
Since the beginning of last year, Fannie and Freddie have been turning over virtually all profits to the government each quarter. Before that, they were paying a 10% dividend on the preferred stock held by Treasury.
That change has meant a windfall for Treasury, which controls 80% of each company's stock.
Each subsequent cha-ching seems to make reform less likely. Note all the "special interests" that want a piece of the pie: speculators (aka hedge funds), pre-bust shareholders, and affordable housing advocates.

Whether them reporting the use of a Cell phone conjures up images of a 2006 iPhone in your mind, or the Credit card phone on the back of every airlines seat at that time in my mind. Is purely a Conjecturable argument. They were 10,000 feet in the air, it would have been save to say, any layman at the time would call any technology that could have done that Cell phone technology.

Even today we still call it a Cell Phone, when in reality that technology hasn't been in the process of being phased out for well over 30 years. Mobile has become the most common name for the various telephony technologies out there. But those companies would think of them selves as Wireless providers, not Cell phone companies.

Even if you are using a planes satellite phone and mistakenly tell your wife..."Hey listen I'm on a cell phone and I may not have much time..." while you're about to bring a plane crashing down into the ground. But the rest of us knows what you meant.

Reading bgamall's conspiracy theories reminds me of the complexity of visual perception. A famous example is to look at a picket fence, and see a dog running along the other side of the fence. The purely visual data reach your retina and travel along the optic nerve to the visual cortex, which needs to assemble those data into a coherent image. The data contain many omissions, distortions (e.g. myopia, astigmatism) and stray data (e.g. misfirings of cells in the retina). A computer would never have been able to assemble those data into a coherent image, at least until very recently, and maybe not even now. The visual cortex receives all these data and compares them to similar data sets from past experience, and other information about current events (e.g. ears detect barking), and selects hopefully the right match based on all that information.

Conspiracy theorists fall ever deeper down a rabbithole, where every bit of data reminds them of other conspiracy theories that they believe. An obscure report where someone misspoke somewhere sets off an association, not of ordinary 'noise' in the data, but rather of an elaborate conspiracy.

Where most people see a dog running along the far side of a fence, the conspiracy theorist sees an elaborate hoax, involving a space alien or a robot concealed behind the fence, in league with the usual suspects.

edvard2 says

Paralithodes says

Above is a perfect example of how the typical "liberal" forum member here is so blinded by their own ideology, that they don't even recognize the extent to which their own side does the exact same thing they complain about.

Oh contraire my friend... You see, I mentioned this before but its worth mentioning again. I grew up in the super-conservative, always- Republican voting South, at one point actually voted for Republicans, and when I grew up I was able to see past all of the crap that conservative politicians have used to fill their constituent's heads with. Blinded? Hardly. More like the recognition over reality versus the fiction many conservatives in the US believe in.

I believe you as much as I believe Vicente was also a "staunch [conservative or republican]." I know people in real life who have converted politically - I am one of them. In real life the converts generally understand that your observation applies equally enough to a good % of both sides to not be something with pointing out as if it applies to only one side, as you did above. Those alleged converts (to either political side) who talk like you do online are invariably liars about their past or talking it up to fit in with the hard core that are here.

bgamall4 says

Why is

your source an Iranian government website that bases its report on what somebody posted on a Facebook page? Because you are lost in the noise, projecting a bizarre conspiracy based on misinformation.

Paralithodes says

I believe you as much as I believe Vicente was also a "staunch [conservative or republican]." I know people in real life who have converted politically - I am one of them. In real life the converts generally understand that your observation applies equally enough to a good % of both sides to not be something with pointing out as if it applies to only one side, as you did above. Those alleged converts (to either political side) who talk like you do online are invariably liars about their past or talking it up to fit in with the hard core that are here.

So you're calling me a liar because you don't agree with what I say? If so then that more or less makes the extent of your response entirely hypocritical. If you think I am lying then I'll be the first to correct you. I grew up in the South. As in not the suburban South, but in a rural area about 20 miles from the closest small town. We had a long gravel driveway as did most in our area. Even though my family had lived in the area for around 40 years they were still considered newcomers. Most had roots to the area going back as much as 150-200 years.

Nothing ever changed. The way things had been there was the way it had always been and if anything ever changed people generally took notice. I remember that everyone was unquestionably conservative and always voted Republican no matter what. I was raised this way. I was never given reasons why, but only that I should ALWAYS vote Republican, which I did right up into my 20's.

I moved first to the Northeast to Boston and then to the other side of the country to California. I ran into many people from all over the country and the world. When I first moved to Boston it was a tremendous cultural shock for me. I was so used to the cultural and political homogeneous nature of where I grew up that it took a lot of adjustment to see that hey- not everyone thinks the same.

It was only after having this experience that I realized a lot of the things that were fed into our heads by the various Republican politicians was pure bullshit. Mostly just fear mongering and this constant claim that anything different or new should always be despised and challenged. As time went on I more fully realized that this tactic has been employed by the GOP on their constituents for decades simply because its so much easier to place blame on something else rather than actually address problems and do something about it. The GOP has been a party fueled by outright misleading propaganda for some time now and this among many other reasons is why I no longer support that party nor will I unless they decide to become more reasonable, if not at least somewhat more moderate instead of acting like the witch hunt party.

So you call me a liar all you want. I made my own choices by my own accord through my own life experiences and I didn't need anyone other than myself to make that change.

edvard2 says

everyone was unquestionably conservative and always voted Republican no
matter what. I was raised this way.I moved it was a tremendous cultural shock for me. I
was so used to the cultural and political homogeneous nature of where I grew up
that it took a lot of adjustment to see that hey- not everyone thinks the
same.

This is the mindset I run up against on my favorite trade forum. The worst part is, all of them think EVERYONE ELSE is wrong, factually, politcally, and morally, and that THEY are the true patriots and 'merkans. They tell me daily that I am an obamabot or some such, using language whose mitochondrial DNA has a clear lineage all the way back to this morning's Rush show or last night's Fox tirade.

Dan8267 says

The key word in GDP is product. The warfare industry produces no product. In fact that industry destroys wealth.

I'm not saying there are no better activities. But in the meantime, if you remove the miltary, it will leave a big hole in your economy and that will affect a lot of people.

And if you pay these people for something else... then well, the deficit question is not solved.

That's the nature of the problem: It's not enough to say "we don't need this".

RentingForHalfTheCost says

Have you ever considered that some on the board merely want to just yank your
chain? Nonetheless it can provide brief moments of entertainment, then it starts
to get old.

But the chain is just there to be yanked all the time. Can you blame
people?

I guess not, maybe it is too tempting.

Hey bgmall,

Which weapons are these Israeli weapons you refer to?
I saw no weapons in the picture, and no specifics on the actual weapons.

I'm an Israeli paratrooper veteran.

What about Syria? Which side are we on? (you know about Syrians getting treatment in Israeli hospitals, it's for planting bugs into them).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24998618

Egypt? Which side is Israel on? All sides?
How about Sudan? They have south Sudan but also North South Sudan against South South Sudan. Surely it's Israel's fault again.
And Turkey-vs Syria? Must be Israel's fault.
I hear also the massacre of Fatah politicians by Hamas in 2005 was Israel's fault...
But the worst offense was the Israeli Mossad shark eating all the poor tourists in Sharm!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11937285

Hugs

arit

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/02/alex_jones_conspiracy_inc/

Ceffer says

What a relief, to know that you are never too old to steal vast sums bankster style.

Moron just didn't know how to get away with it.

I sure as hell am still not old enough to have my heart stop beating and therefore I am capable of looting your family's life savings while I have your mother and sister bend over to take my... You know what I mean.

And to top it off... I know how to get away with it.

ApocalyspeFuck can lick my hairy old butthole. I will never be in handcuffs.

Automan Empire says

using language whose mitochondrial DNA has a clear lineage all the way back to this morning's Rush show or last night's Fox tirade.

It would be hard to copyright a good typical Obama rant.
it's just the opposite of typical "Oh how I love thee, let me count the ways" dribble you guys drone about.

I'm still waiting for that Obama moment that future presidents will recount in future presidential speeches, so far I haven't seen it.

Call it Crazy says

Does the hostage live now??

The hostage was a horse, and yes, it's DEAD, but we're still beating on it.

bgamall4 says

I have focused on conspiracies I can understand. Sandy Hook is an easy one, and 9/11 is not too much more difficult.

OK what was the angle for staging an national tragedy such as Sandy Hook? And how is that some evil Zionist's plot and not Obama's?

Bush/Reps' 9-11 can show Obama how to destroy American lives. Just stand there & do nothing.

BoomAndBustCycle says

If this was a hoax (it wasn't).... What did those pulling off the hoax accomplish?! More guns were sold after Newton than EVER and they are still selling like hotcakes. No real gun laws were passed.

If the goal was to make more people stock up on guns... then mission accomplished. If the goal was to disarm America.. then it failed miserably.

hoaxes like these were not meant to take away all guns overnight. they were meant to help shape public opinion over the time. changes will be gradual.

bgamall4 says

I deleted a post by a guy who claims he had known parents of dead children at
Sandy Hook.

What hurdle must evidence against a conspiracy clear, before you'll even consider it?
How much ORIGINAL research of this have you done? I mean, directly interview witnesses or people on the street in Newtown, as opposed to just reading it on the internet?

bgamall4 says

I hope fire comes out of heaven and devours you. Watch the traffic

This is on the spectrum between "what a nutter" and "This guy's a threat!"
Not a credibility-enhancing direction to take the public persona.

bgamall4 says

I deleted a post by a guy who claims he had known parents of dead children at Sandy Hook.

I didn't make that claim if you're referring to me. You don't seem to have deleted the post where you might get that misunderstanding. Instead, you deleted blogherald and national review articles about how people use conspiracy theories to build popular websites which leads to successful businesses. Was that close to home?

Like I've said, I don't care. Good luck with your beliefs and possibly business. I don't find what you write compelling and I fear it will deceive some people who don't think like me.

Automan Empire says

What hurdle must evidence against a conspiracy clear, before you'll even consider it?

How much ORIGINAL research of this have you done? I mean, directly interview witnesses or people on the street in Newtown, as opposed to just reading it on the internet?

why repeat the work others have already done? i don't see why bgmall, at his near retirement age, has to risk getting physical assaults by emotionally charged bystanders (such as 95% of the people in these threads).

you don't have to disprove every single piece of the story to show it's a hoax. you only need to disprove one thing and the whole story is automatically a hoax because if it wasn't a hoax, the gov would not have needed to lie, about ANYTHING.

with Emily's screwed up arm being shown, the burden of proof is now on you - what evidence do you have that it wasn't a hoax?

FunTime says

Instead, you deleted blogherald and national review articles about how people use conspiracy theories to build popular websites which leads to successful businesses. Was that close to home?

Of course it's close to home. bigmouth writes lots of articles for conspiricy websites and publishes ebooks.

ok delete now limp dick.

bgamall4 says

For the swine who know it was an act and yet deny it, I hope fire comes out of heaven and devours you. Watch the traffic on your commute to work, you swine.

Your Christian beliefs shine through.

bgamall4 says

Robbie Parker would have had to shed real tears with no hyperventilation,

We just are not in agreement here. I found it difficult to breath normally and tell a simple story to my own family at my uncle's funeral due to my grief. Trying to "hold it together" while in a great state of grief on national television I take to be extremely difficult. I can see trying to keep light beforehand and employing cue cards.
Your ideas suggest a biological formula for grief. So what you want is some medical evidence. That would really bring scientific evidence to your cause.

Mark D says

you don't have to disprove every single piece of the story to show it's a hoax. you only need to disprove one thing and the whole story is automatically a hoax because if it wasn't a hoax, the gov would not have needed to lie, about ANYTHING.

with Emily's screwed up arm being shown, the burden of proof is now on you - what evidence do you have that it wasn't a hoax?

That is moronic reasoning. The burden of proof is entirely on you to prove, and to prove beyond any reasonable doubt, your fantastical claims. The pair of you so utterly fail to do that time and again that it is embarrassing to behold.

bgamall4 says

Robbie Parker would have had to shed real tears with no hyperventilation, and with no comment on the card, or script he was supposed to read. If Robbie could undo that, and if there was one fucking tear in the entire day of the massacre, I would reconsider. But there was not one recorded tear.

And everybody knows it.

Are you a good public speaker? How about Obama? Clinton? ....? How many very skilled public speakers use autocue or notes? What do you think you'd do if faced by the world's press soon after the death of your child? Try a bit of ad-libbing or prepare what you were going to say? Now think long and hard about those two choices and be honest about your reply.

FunTime says

Your ideas suggest a biological formula for grief. So what you want is some medical evidence. That would really bring scientific evidence to your cause.

Unfortunately for Gary, actual research about the type of responses that can occur has been posted up on here several times and, surprise, surprise, disproves what he is claiming (though he of course simply ignores it).

sbh says

RentingForHalfTheCost says

Just closed out all my short positions and am 100% long.

Best sell signal I've seen in months.

RentingForHalfTheCost says

Who is the real jackass?

I nominate you.

Sure you would. Big surprise there troll.

FYI on the concept mentioned in a previous post that most wealthy people inherit their money....

Per Cato institute study in 2011, 80% of US millionaires are self made and did not in fact inherit the money. Slide the scale up to over 100 million and I do not know if that would still hold true or not.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Are you a good public speaker? How about Obama? Clinton? ....? How many very skilled public speakers use autocue or notes? What do you think you'd do if faced by the world's press soon after the death of your child? Try a bit of ad-libbing or prepare what you were going to say? Now think long and hard about those two choices and be honest about your reply.

It was prepared for him, numb nuts.

Sure, sure, and your proof of that is... And why does an actor need to read from notes? Presumably he's one of those actors incapable of memorizing his lines.

bgamall4 says

You don't think God will take his revenge out on his enemies like you Bigsby?

Christ's Sacrifice Once for All

…12but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, 13waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.

That is Hebrews 10:13 and last time I checked that was a New Testament book.

Ooohhh, I'm scared. God thinks I'm his enemy! Presumably as Snap once sang, 'I've Got the Power.'

Let me guess, your God loves those individuals who believe that everything is a zionist conspiracy, who accuse parents of murdered children of being liars and actors, and who say that people who disagree with such tinfoil beliefs will be struck by fire from heaven and/or damned to hell. Quite the God that one.

I'm not going to read another demented rant.
I asked you, what is the angle to hoax this tragedy?

If it were about tighter gun legislation, then you would think a government that was powerful enough to pull this off, would have no problem imposing the votes to complete the mission. Or all of the planning and effort that this episode would have taken, would have all been for naught.

I mean work on a more realistic conspiracy theory.

Like that was not Bin Laden who was shot in the face, dumped in the ocean and Obama ordered all photos destroyed. See that's easy, with all lose ends tied up nicely.

It's even easy to believe that we did not fly to the moon, unless you believe, that Richard Nixon(a known liar) was the only President with the wherewithal to do so. At least that's a useful hoax. And one I don't put too much thought into either way.
It's sorta like a kid that lies and tells their parents that they cleaned the room. When in fact, they cleaned much later than that. The end result was the same.

Can we go to the moon today? Perhaps, but I don't think we could do it with the equivalent of a 0086 computer, and space capsule that has less metal than the body on a VW Bug, and about the same size too.

So you don't want to take people's advice to seek help. Do you not feel yourself getting worse? I don't recall you telling everyone who disagreed with you before that they were swine and had to watch for fire from heaven whilst driving to work. Do you think that is normal behaviour? Do you think your views are normal? Why do those who disagree with YOUR views deserve punishment from your imaginary God? Think about what you are saying and doing because I am actually getting worried for you.

bgamall4 says

You support the NWO, and God hates the NWO. He already scrambled the languages at the Tower of Babel because mankind wanted one world government.

You are getting scarey weird. You don't own guns do you?

CaptainShuddup says

Can we go to the moon today? Perhaps, but I don't think we could do it with the equivalent of a 0086 computer, and space capsule that has less metal than the body on a VW Bug, and about the same size too.

Do you understand the feedback and control math that allows the precision of computation/machine control? If not, I recommend learning that first before you write any more on the subject. The kind of computation required was a challenge for computers and scientists at the point of first going into space and much of it was probably still being done on paper, but today undergrad electrical engineering students learn how those kinds of mathematics and machines work in their first few years.

Conspiracy theorists who don't demonstrate even a basic knowledge of their subject are not convincing. I'm not a rocket scientist either so don't listen to me. Just please do some research before sharing ideas that might deceive people into believing ideas that are upsetting and potentially a false witness.