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Bullshit says

Let's hope it doesn't take a war to really get the economy back on it's feet again.

We spent more on war 2001-2010 than we did on WW2, in constant dollars.

~$1T/yr, 1941-45 (2008 dollars)

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/costs_of_major_us_wars.htm

Expansion of DOD spending since 2000:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=zEr

$2T in additional spending, 2000-2010 on top of a $4T base expense.

What a fucking waste. Thanks, Nader.

Bellingham Bill says

We spent more on war 2001-2010 than we did on WW2, in constant dollars.

~$1T/yr, 1941-45 (2008 dollars)

"Spreading freedom" has its price!

It is the FED.

In your research also look into the effects of mercantilism an international trade on the 1920s.

Reality says

Is it effective at either? of course not. In fact, Austrians contend that the FED actions over the long run exacerbate the swings.

And that is another reason why nobody can take Austrians seriously. Do you really contend that the time since the Fed is worse for boom/busts than the time before the Fed?

tatupu70 says

Reality says

Is it effective at either? of course not. In fact, Austrians contend that the FED actions over the long run exacerbate the swings.

And that is another reason why nobody can take Austrians seriously. Do you really contend that the time since the Fed is worse for boom/busts than the time before the Fed?

Of course more severe boom/busts compared to times without central bank influence (there were two previous instances of central banking in US history, plus the British central banking manipulation that eventually led to the American Revolution). The Great Depression was the first major achievement of the 3rd US central bank, the FED.

bgamall4 says

Just FYI, prize money for Kentucky Derby win was 1.4 million, and the trainer was 77 years old, oldest trainer for Derby winner ever.

Impressive.

The unfortunate dangers of the FED today is they give all of the Corruption in the banking industry a central point in which they can legally collude.

Take the FED out of the picture, and replay the actions of the bank industry for the last 14 years, only with Bank CEOs taking place of the FED meetings, and it's the same shit brought the Sherman act ahead. It's fucking fraud in plain sight.

I can't believe I was stupid enough to not agree with Ron Paul 100% in 2008. I still believed in the FED.

But I tell ya this, we still need regulators, oversight and laws. It probably would be easier to enforce those rules, if we didn't have the FED, acting like a derelict parent enabling bad behavior, making excuses, cover and defense of all of the corruption and fraud.

CaptainShuddup says

Take the FED out of the picture, and replay the actions of the bank industry for the last 14 years, only with Bank CEOs taking place of the FED meetings, and it's the same shit brought the Sherman act ahead. It's fucking fraud in plain sight.

Bullshit, if you rip the power away from these charlatans there is no Sherman charade. Fuck Teddy Roosevelt, he was batshit crazy.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

Impressive.

Glad you are still talking to me. :))

You know, I disagree with my wife on everything, but I still sleep with her.
Not saying I want to sleep with you, just that disagreements don't bother me.
You are cool. :)

Thanks.

Facebooksux says

She-Man cannot claim to have 5.5 million in assets. That's horseshit

Look, You don't have to believe whatever is said on this forum, or simply you can counter punch by saying you have 5.5 mil in liquid assets.

The Professor says

I think he likes to argue.

Really I hadn't noticed (8^(l)

I've never heard it referred to as a "rule." You're referring to sentiment indicators, which aren't always right (that is wrong). But yes, sentiment is very bearish at the bottom and bullish at the top.

But that's trivially obvious, because a lot of people have to be selling to get it to a market price (down) bottom, and after the bottom is in, you can look back at all the short covering and the decreasing bearishness of sentiment and say see ?

Considering the Catholic churches record with Galileo best practices should be implemented sometime around 2315. Don't want to rush into these things.

The NY post had a front page article once about "Beauty and the Priest". Some Long Island priest got filmed coming out of a motel room with his secretary. He claimed they got too tired to drive, on the 2 hour trip from NYC to LI, and stopped to rest. The post interviewed people in the priests town about it. One guy said "I'm just happy he was with with a women over 18".

clambo says

What contributed most to the depression after the 1929 stock bubble popping was bank failures led to a very low level of banking activities which really depressed economic activities in the USA.

That is the conventional Milton Friedman take on it. But it really is not true, the damage was caused long before that.

This is pretty good description of what really happened starting at page 175:

http://mises.org/books/dollarcrisis.pdf

Call it Crazy says

So true....

Look who's talking CIC. Shall I repost all the comments you deleted of mine?

There's probably going to be a movie about stiviano and sterling and they will call it "A slut and a racist!"

1) being racist isn't against the law, or we'd have to lock up the grand majority of everyone, white, black, brown, yellow, or red.

2) setting up a checkpoint isn't illegal, I think. However, assaulting someone at such a checkpoint is illegal. Stopping at such a check point or complying with the demands of those manning it would therefore be entirely optional. If they shoot someone or assault someone, then that's a matter for the law. Otherwise it's a simple obstructing traffic traffic ticket.

I think it would fall under impeding traffic or something in the violation category. Maybe enough for a fine, but not much more. It's a matter for the local police or sheriff. If the local authorities haven't objected, then they're giving tacit consent for this sort of thing.
Also I highly doubt there's a check point on a highway. That would be impossible and also would involve the Feds or state police if a interstate or state route was checkpointed. This is likely some back road where only locals have any reason to be, and only locals care about.
But go on believing the main stream elite-owned media! I'm sure they're giving you an accurate spin on everything.

You contradict yourself repeatedly. You say that a bear is not someone who is already short, but if that's your view, then a bear can be someone who is long and needs to sell.

The only other possibility is someone who is not buying because of their bearishness or they already sold. You also said you don'y include nonparticipants.

You say all you look at is transactions which would mean that indeed a bear is someone who is already short, either in reality or in the sense that they need to buy.

dublin hillz says

There's probably going to be a movie about stiviano and sterling and they will call it "A slut and a racist!"

I would call it A gold-digger and a racist!

Doesn't seem as if his penis is racist at all.

The guy just needs to tell everyone he is a liberal democrat and send a few bucks to Hillary. Nobody will bother him anymore.

Why is the 92 million not in the labor force part of "The Not So Good News"?

Now there you go, pulling facts from the shit pile.

Those figures were supposed to be burned in congress' weekly latrine pyre.

Call it Crazy says

Strategist says

Why is the 92 million not in the labor force part of "The Not So Good News"?

Do you really want an answer to that??

Yes.

Strategist says

Call it Crazy says

Strategist says

Why is the 92 million not in the labor force part of "The Not So Good News"?

Do you really want an answer to that??

Yes.

We need about 10 million to move from the not in labor for to full time jobs to be statistically healthy. Also, there is a concern (even from it's supporters) that the ACA will encourage those nearing retirement to stop working early.

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Monday, May 5, 2014 __ Level is 104.5

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

And up to date (by me) is here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
http://patrick.net/?p=1230886

rooemoore says

Strategist says

Call it Crazy says

Strategist says

Why is the 92 million not in the labor force part of "The Not So Good News"?

Do you really want an answer to that??

Yes.

We need about 10 million to move from the not in labor for to full time jobs to be statistically healthy. Also, there is a concern (even from it's supporters) that the ACA will encourage those nearing retirement to stop working early.

That's not really answering the question.
Zerohedge is just a propaganda web site, designed for the sole purpose of misinforming the public. If Hitler was alive, he would have been proud of Zerohedge.

The original "gun nut"............

......The original "homegrown terrorist, who was also a "White Supremacist", had a fascination for "assault weapons", AND associated with "citizen militia groups"..................

...................none other than the "Father of our country",

George Washington !!!

Yes, current day "mainstream" corporate media would label George all the above. I have another term for "Terrorist"...... Patriot. But then I don't adhere to a religion that calls for blood sacrifice so as to be (self) chosen. That seems to be the main difference in modern media and historical fact.

One should do a search for "Who owns American media".....and learn just who profits from their anti-Americanism and their corporate owned media constantly trying to pit Americans against each other. Once one does such a search, digesting said "mainstream" (corporate/Wall Street) media should be much more difficult, even with a public education.

There it is the Hitler reference. Hitler sure has a lot to be proud of these days doesn't he?

Strategist says

That's not really answering the question.

Zerohedge is just a propaganda web site, designed for the sole purpose of misinforming the public. If Hitler was alive, he would have been proud of Zerohedge.

Zerohedge may be a propaganda website, but the fact is that we do need more people in the work force. I'm sure Obama would agree.
BTW, pretty quick to Godwin's law, aren't you?

rooemoore says

Zerohedge may be a propaganda website, but the fact is that we do need more people in the work force. I'm sure Obama would agree.

Yes, all of us would agree to that.

rooemoore says

BTW, pretty quick to Godwin's law, aren't you?

Had to look it up. Interesting.

Godwin's law (or Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1" [2][3]—​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.

tatupu70 says

And that is another reason why nobody can take Austrians seriously. Do you really contend that the time since the Fed is worse for boom/busts than the time before the Fed?

If you'd like to see the direct effect of the Fed, look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Historical_Inflation_Ancient.svg

This shows the inflation/deflation cycle since ~1675 to present.

You will notice that before about 1960, there had been economic cycles very frequently, with periods of inflation and deflation. Before the Fed, inflation was caused by regional banks issuing their own money, or gold discoveries, or simple lack of demand for the currency. Deflation was caused by demand, fallout if inlationary capital misallocation and such. What was very different is that deflation and inflation were cyclical over time, and roughly canceled out, yielding a fairly stable currency value.

During periods of inflation, modulo the time-delay of new funds affecting the economy, we had bubbles, speculation, and the same kind of bubble mechanics we have today. During periods of deflation, which we haven't seen since in 60+ years, the capital malinvested during the boom is liquidated through the system. Businesses which take unjustified risks go bankrupt, and their wiser competitors pick up their assets, creating a disincentive to take on too much risk.

The modern Fed effectively started in 1971, when it started issuing credit backed money and severed the gold convertibility from the Bretton Woods agreement. Since roughly that time frame, we have not had any deflation, since contrary to what the Fed states publicly, it has a single mandate - to keep the largest financial institutions from going insolvent, the much publicized dual mandate being the sugar which makes the pill easier to swallow.

The Fed is not the sole creator of economic cycles, but it's been an amplifier. Pre-fed cycles were generally not monetary cycles, they were speculative manias into some sector for the economy, like rail roads or real estate, and when these mania bubbles popped, their effects were less wide spread. The Fed, in an attempt to save banks from going under from taking too much leverage in these manias, turned speculative sector-bubbles into monetary bubbles, which affect the parts of the economy that use money, namely all of it.

I don't think their approach can work to dampen bubbles at all, since the mechanisms by which they do it are to spend credit into existence. This credit doesn't go to Joe Mainstreet, but rather big clearing banks, then wall street institutions, who can borrow at near zero to speculate into assets, and the only ones big enough to accommodate this much money are stocks and housing, which is why we see such gains concentrating there.

Now, I think the Fed has no choice but to taper and accelerate the current credit bubble popping. There are two sides to transaction, and in credit, there is the borrower and the lender. Years of ZIRP/QA have started hurting big lenders, namely fixed return investors into bonds and treasuries, such as state pension plans, and Social Security, which collectively hold many trillions. While these lenders may all be a Ponzi-style sham to begin with, the Fed's actions make their already stretches budgets even worse by reducing the rate of return in the future, increasing unfunded liabilities, and typically triggering additional cash infusions. We can't afford to keep things like, say, CalPERS or CalSTRS solvent in this environment, so the Fed is forced to do a 360 since now it's hurting some truly enormous financial entities (and being the good utilitarians that they are, the'll always avoid doing the most harm based on their own understanding of the markets).

So, the answer isn't very simple, and Reality is only touching on some topical points in Austrian monetary theory. The Austrian school, in my opinion, provides some really good tools for analyzing what's going on, but people of an Austrian bent still disagree with each other (for example, Peter Schiff the hyperinflationist vs Mike Shedlock, the deflationist). Why was Mish right and Schiff wrong so far? Schiff overlooked the power of credit contraction and deleveraging, making a mistake of omission. An economic framework may help you analyze some facts, but it may not work if you neglected to gather all the facts.

The one thing the Austrians agree on with the Fed is that it creates distortions, and that it transfers wealth from society to the wealthy who are close to the money presses, and that it rewards companies for speculative risk, so we get more of that kind of behavior.

rooemoore says

Also, there is a concern (even from it's supporters) that the ACA will encourage those nearing retirement to stop working early.

I agree that we need more in the workforce, but I wouldn't think people retiring early would be an bad thing. I would think allowing those folks to retire is a very good thing--those jobs are open for younger folks that probably need the job more than the early retiree.

I like how that article ends:

The BLM's response was one sentence long: "We welcome Mr. Bundy's new interest in the American legal system."

OK--so given Mell's argument:

myob says

The modern Fed effectively started in 1971

Do the boom/busts look worse or better in the last 40 years?

How can anyone argue this point?

Mikhail01 says

The original "gun nut"............

......The original "homegrown terrorist, who was also a "White Supremacist", had a fascination for "assault weapons", AND associated with "citizen militia groups"..................

...................none other than the "Father of our country",

George Washington !!!

Look up "Whiskey Rebellion".

When faced with a tax protest by early U.S. citizens, who refused to pay their share to settle war debt - Washington rode at the head of a military force (composed of state militias) to suppress them.

Washington would have put these pieces of shit on trial.

(Of course, being the poseurs that these original-intent, the-Constitution-says-what-I-say-it-does types always are, the traitors Washington was hunting down slithered back to their rundown shacks in the woods.)

Iosef V HydroCabron says

Calm down.

These are gun nuts, so it's all Constitutional & as the Founding Fathers intended.

The commerce clause proves this false. The Supreme Court has ruled that the definition of commerce is broad and can include things like going to work or taking a vacation somewhere where you intend to spend money. It would be difficult to find a way that entering Bunkerville by car wouldn't be an act of commerce, making the turning away of people at the checkpoint illegal.

tatupu70 says

rooemoore says

Also, there is a concern (even from it's supporters) that the ACA will encourage those nearing retirement to stop working early.

I agree that we need more in the workforce, but I wouldn't think people retiring early would be an bad thing. I would think allowing those folks to retire is a very good thing--those jobs are open for younger folks that probably need the job more than the early retiree.

Except for the fact that we will be paying for their healthcare. They will not have an income and under 65 so they will get ACA pretty much for free. I don't think this will be a huge issue, but I've heard that it is a concern by those running the ACA.

tatupu70 says

Do the boom/busts look worse or better in the last 40 years?

How can anyone argue this point?

1) Deflation is not bad
2) Your graph doesn't address the question
3) But hey, I am not the one saying that 2008 was SO ZOMG BAD that they had to bailout the TBTFs and buffets of the world because other wise the worst depression evah would have devoured the whole world. So by that token 2008 was so pretty much unprecedentedly bad that the biggest bailout (heist) in history HAD to be enacted. So yes, the Fed et. al. caused the worst depression ever ;) Nobody says it's only the Fed, but they are certainly not helping main street.

rooemoore says

We need about 10 million to move from the not in labor for to full time jobs to be statistically healthy. Also, there is a concern (even from it's supporters) that the ACA will encourage those nearing retirement to stop working early.

Um, that doesn't make sense. For EVERY early retirement worker.. there are probably 100 young people falling over themselves to take their high paying job.

Every 50+ worker who retires.. opens up enough salary cap to hire 2 or more millenials. So that shouldn't be a problem.