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Bigsby says

marcus says

One would think that Newton must have read Hume, Kant

That would have been an impressive accomplishment. Did Sir Isaac Newton also invent time travel?

Yeah, you're right, off by about 50 years. Just checking to see if anyone was paying attention (actually fucked up on century of HUme and Kant). Still, in intellectual circles there must have been early rumblings of rationalism. And there were even some renaissance philosophers that lead the way on this. Spinoza, for example.

If half the country makes $27K, then the "middle class" wage is simply around $27K.

Prices should adjust accordingly.

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Friday, June 6, 2014 __ Level is 106.5

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

And up to date (by me) is here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
http://patrick.net/?p=1230886

HuggyBumbers McLovkins says

They're finally gonna take our guns!

It'll be a "Balls for Guns" program. They will let you keep your balls if you hand in a gun.

bgamall4 says

They doubled house prices in some areas from the crash.

They similarly brought house prices to $1,000 in some areas.

bgamall4 says

They make oil scarce by making the contracts scarce. They store oil in tankers. They do a lot of things to keep prices unaffordable. That is killing our nation.

We have the lowest gas prices in the developed world. What the shit are you saying? Norway is about $10.00 per gallon.

CaptainShuddup says

My friend has worked at Win Dixie for 16 years. Bilo bought them recently. He just got word that starting next month, all employees will be part time.

I wont tell you the reason, but you can guess.

Because the new owners want to make even more money?

Because they can?

Those are the reasons.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

bgamall4 says

They doubled house prices in some areas from the crash.

They similarly brought house prices to $1,000 in some areas.

bgamall4 says

They make oil scarce by making the contracts scarce. They store oil in tankers. They do a lot of things to keep prices unaffordable. That is killing our nation.

We have the lowest gas prices in the developed world. What the shit are you saying? Norway is about $10.00 per gallon.

Norway? Lol. a trader determined we pay at least a buck fifty more than we should because of global speculation. So how much do the Norwegians overpay, Einstein? 5 bucks a gallon?

That trader is a moron.
If Norway overpays by $5.00, then we are underpaying by $1.00. Are the oligarchs ripping us off, or are we ripping them off?
All of Europe pays around twice as much as we do. Yet, we are the ones complaining. We Americans are spoilt rotten.

tatupu70 says

Because the new owners want to make even more money?

Because they can?

This isn't a case of hind sight being 20/20, people expressed concerns over what might happen.

Proponents of the "Don't ask and don't tell" healthcare act, voiced concerns early on over the "NEW" definition of "Full Time" work laws, and their correlation to who has to cover employees vs who doesn't.

This was a case if "Could Happen". And it did happen. And you my friend, are absolutely right.

"They Can" because Nancy didn't want anyone to read what was in it.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

That trader is a moron.

No, you are the moron. We know that many commodities are hoarded by the banksters, and they hoard the contracts as well.

You just can't explain why our gas prices are so cheap compared to Europe.

bgamall4 says

From Wikileaks we found out that the Saudis warned the USA that the banksters were escalating the price of oil to 147 per barrel.

The Saudis warned us about high oil prices? the Saudis? the Saudis?
They love higher oil prices. It lets them buy huge beds for their fat 4 wives.
The only thing the Saudis know is the shit in their green book.

bgamall4 says

The Europeans tax oil. If the people stand for it fine. But Europe's economy is dying. You like that Strategist?

I thought our economy was supposed to be dying.
I would like to see $10.00 per gallon in all 50 states. We need renewables.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

I thought our economy was supposed to be dying.

We are not growing much.

Strategist says

I would like to see $10.00 per gallon in all 50 states. We need renewables.

Can't afford it unless the 1 percent loosens up their saddle bags.

The 1% only want more money. If they see a potential investment they will loosen up their purse strings. Renewables are seeing huge investments the world over. Fossil fuels have their days numbered in the second half of the next century.
$10.00 per gallon gas would accelerate that outcome. We should replace income tax with a fossil tax.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

The Saudis warned us about high oil prices? the Saudis? the Saudis?

Classified info provided by Wikileaks. The Saudis don't want to be replaced nor blamed for gouging Americans. Just face it. Wall Street skims off everyone. They are the squid putting their tentacles into every hole where they can find money.

I guess it's not classified anymore.
The Saudis are too stupid to think for themselves. They just give lip service because a consultant told them to.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

I thought our economy was supposed to be dying.

We are not growing much.

Strategist says

I would like to see $10.00 per gallon in all 50 states. We need renewables.

Can't afford it unless the 1 percent loosens up their saddle bags.

So much hate for the 1%, but you're failing to realize that the problem resides in the U.S. Government.

CaptainShuddup says

This isn't a case of hind sight being 20/20, people expressed concerns over what might happen.

No, people saw an opportunity to screw workers again and took it.

CaptainShuddup says

Proponents of the "Don't ask and don't tell" healthcare act, voiced concerns early on over the "NEW" definition of "Full Time" work laws, and their correlation to who has to cover employees vs who doesn't.

This was a case if "Could Happen". And it did happen. And you my friend, are absolutely right.

"They Can" because Nancy didn't want anyone to read what was in it.

No--they can because people keep voting in Republicans.

bgamall4 says

Oh, yeah, that is why they are making trouble in the middle east, are involved in pipeline wars, etc. I would not call them unsophisticated at all.

I don't call them unsophisticated either. They would need to be twice as intelligent just to be called unsophisticated. I just call them stupid.

bgamall4 says

spydah_hh says

So much hate for the 1%, but you're failing to realize that the problem resides in the U.S. Government.

No, the 1 percent owns the government. Nice try though.

So.. You're saying that it's the fault of the government for being controlled? I they do write the laws don't they? Yet all the laws favors more government control, while keeping those at the top in the top so that new players will never raise to challenge them. In other words the 1% is the government.

Actually, more like the .1% or .01%

72,800 dollars a year.

That's the best answers I have. Go on social services. It has been estimated that a person receiving section 8, welfare, food stamps and the rest of the program benefits is like a person making 35 dollars an hour before taxes. So 72.8 k a year is better than working, isn't it!

Oh and you get to stay homes all day, go on cruised, Vegas, Hawaii, Orlando, or the beach!

casandra says

It has been estimated that a person receiving section 8, welfare, food stamps and the rest of the program benefits is like a person making 35 dollars an hour before taxes.

source?

Also putting food on the table keeps desperate people from committing crimes to feed themselves, which eliminates policework, court costs, prison costs, and lawyer fees.

bgamall4 says

For one thing, Cassandra, giving medical care to the poor probably saves the government money in the long run. You have not figured that savings in. How about a pandemic prevented, etc. Put a dollar figure on that.

Go! Obama! Go!
Drive this country over the cliff. Anything to get even for 8 years of Bush & the Republican party.

Call it Crazy, the title of your post presumes that it hasn't already happened.

And there you go...

Do you have your SHTF gun ready? can you drop AF from a 1000 yards?

Can you bug out? Do you have a plan that does not include the 3rd level of the economy?

bgamall4 says

spydah_hh says

So.. You're saying that it's the fault of the government for being controlled? I they do write the laws don't they? Yet all the laws favors more government control, while keeping those at the top in the top so that new players will never raise to challenge them. In other words the 1% is the government.

In finance, the bankers write the laws. It is frequently reported, even by the globalist piss ant press.

Whoa whoa whoa... Last time I checked it was Congress who wrote the laws, followed by the President signing it into action. Sounds like to me its the government who writes the laws. Someone needs a lesson in Government or Political Science 101.

bgamall4 says

For one thing, Cassandra, giving medical care to the poor probably saves the government money in the long run. You have not figured that savings in. How about a pandemic prevented, etc. Put a dollar figure on that.

This is probably one of the most idiotic comments I've ever read... on the internet.

bgamall4 says

Half The Country Makes Less Than $27,520 A Year

That is true for people that work The other half makes more for not working.

Did he specify what the Hope and Change would be?

So sue him.

bgamall4 says

spydah_hh says

bgamall4 says

For one thing, Cassandra, giving medical care to the poor probably saves the government money in the long run. You have not figured that savings in. How about a pandemic prevented, etc. Put a dollar figure on that.

This is probably one of the most idiotic comments I've ever read... on the internet.

I hope you die of Swine Flu.

By the way, big Pharma is gouging everyone. So, the value of medical is most of the value given to the poor. It is puffed up by gouging and is not worth what people have to pay for it.

Maybe you should do some research on FDA (Food and Drug Administration). I am sure starting there will shine the light for you and your thoughts on "Why Medical Costs are so High". But that's just scratching the surface.

Oh, also if you are on welfare and have kids under 18 years of age, and you work one da, yes one day during the year you get a tax refund on top of everything else for 1100 hundred dollars per kid. One of my friends got her 4400 dollar check last month and she did. It even pay any federal taxes! All she did was check a box that said she was head of household. NICE!

casandra says

Oh, also if you are on welfare and have kids under 18 years of age, and you work one da, yes one day during the year you get a tax refund on top of everything else for 1100 hundred dollars per kid. One of my friends got her 4400 dollar check last month and she did. It even pay any federal taxes! All she did was check a box that said she was head of household. NICE!

A welfare claimant worked one day and got a tax refund check for $4400. Hmm. Got a link for that?

Call it Crazy says

tatupu70 says

casandra says

It has been estimated that a person receiving section 8, welfare, food stamps and the rest of the program benefits is like a person making 35 dollars an hour before taxes.

source?

Try this:

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Hmm. I couldn't find this chart anywhere in PennDPW. After some heavy googling it turns out it was from a presentation given by Alexander (former secretary PennDPW)) to the American Enterprise Institute. So it's not some kind of official state document with sources and numbers that can be checked. It's something he made up to sell as part of his consulting group (selling consulting services for government health care and welfare. revolving door?) with no way of checking if it's right or not. Yet it has PennDPW right on it. Hmmm. Material that is not available from PennDPW, created while Alexander was head of PennDPW, very probably created by PennDPW employees, being used to sell consulting services for Alexander. Smell test anyone?

There is enough things to legitimetely criticize about government. Why is the far right wing always so insecure they have to go into making things up? Is there some kind of small dick requirement for being a right wingnut?

That was interesting. We can make a better community by being productive and progressive.

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casandra says

72,800 dollars a year.

That's the best answers I have. Go on social services. It has been estimated
that a person receiving section 8, welfare, food stamps and the rest of the
program benefits is like a person making 35 dollars an hour before taxes. So
72.8 k a year is better than working, isn't it!

Oh and you get to stay homes all day, go on cruised, Vegas, Hawaii, Orlando,
or the beach!

I just saw CIC's chart but even if you believe those numbers, it still proves you wrong. The mythical person getting 70K/year in benefits (according to that dubious analysis) is working full time earning $29K/year. Nobody is staying home all day going on cruises.

(btw-I don't think they take a WIC card on a cruise)

margaretB says

That was interesting. We can make a better community by being productive and progressive.

Karl Marx would of agreed. That was his plan.

It's the start of June and it we've gotten the first real heat all year, in the past week. It was fairly mild for the first six months. Now watch nature go and show its Ass, and give us a brutal summer like this is Florida or something. That would really prove global warmiong.

tatupu70 says

No--they can because people keep voting in Republicans.

Is there someone close by I could call to smack you?

-disclaimer tongue and cheek empty threat.

People vote republican but the democrats win the elections and destroy the country.

CaptainShuddup says

People vote republican but the democrats win the elections and destroy the
country.

Unfortunately, that's not the case.

Call it Crazy says

tatupu70 says

casandra says

It has been estimated that a person receiving section 8, welfare, food stamps and the rest of the program benefits is like a person making 35 dollars an hour before taxes.

source?

Try this:

*

God damn, you conservatives are not good at using charts to support your case.

$35 dollars per hour before taxes is about $70k.

That chart shows maximum earned income AND benefits peaks at $57k. That person is also making $29k in income by working.

So the net benefits is $57k - $29k = $28k. $28k is 40% of your $70k number. That charts shows $35 per hour is completely FALSE.

$28k is $14 per hour in benefits. And $16k of that is in child care, and it is very dubious, because it starts at $0 in earned income.

You are telling me Pennsylvania pays child care for people who are not working? What? Not according to this:

http://www.dpw.state.pa.us/forchildren/childcareearlylearning/childcareworkssubsidizedchildcareprogram/

Minimum is must work 10 hours per week and go to school 10 hours per week. At minimum wage in Penn, that is $3625 annual income, and in school. If they are not in school, then it is over $7k income.

But that chart shows $16k starting at zero income....

Not that you guys can read it.

Regarding the tax refund thing getting back 1100 bucks per kid is a fact if on welfare. I have friends getting back 2200, some 3300 depending on the kids. Another friend got back 3300 a few years ago. Worked for a friends childcare company a week. Got her check bought a used honda civic and had it two weeks before it got stolen, hehe!

Graphs don't prove me wrong. My six hundred pound nephew gets 1200 on disability per month. Lives rent free in a nice section 8 house worth 1500 a. Into in california. Get 215 on EBT and food stamps. Clears about 115 on discounted car insurance. Saves another 80 or so on energy credits and free telephone. Free healthcare.

So far that totals just over 3200 a month tax free. And this is a single guy and I don't think I have listed all his benefits here, I will have to ask him in detail. I have other sing,e friends on disability who get near the 2k mark who go fishing every day. They are all looking for a welfare queen to hook up with and make their lives filfilled, hehe!