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I ask, when will the madness end?

JimAtLaw says

I’m not going to respond point by point any further, as this conversation is not productive and you’re making it personal (calling me insane, saying I’m not an attorney, etc.), repeatedly fabricating positions for me like accusations of my wanting to “kill all the crazy people,” trying to deny and dance around the words that came off your own keyboard (e.g., the “death-penalty for battery is not appropriate”), and most revealingly, denying that even serial killers who kill for pure pleasure, as long as they’re not robbing you or otherwise “acting for your own benefit” from it, are evil. Our perspectives on evil differ greatly.
You repeatedly characterize what this woman did as “simple battery” and stand on the position that she is not evil. We simply disagree, and I would put assaulting children, especially repeated premeditated attacks, in a different class, though legally it may not be under our current system. (I believe the word “predator” is appropriate for this person.) We both know that under our system of justice, she will in all likelihood be around children again in a few years at most. My take is that whatever is necessary to keep that from happening should happen, and that if that’s a needle, so be it, and I’m not sure I’d want my tax dollars paying to support her for the rest of her life to prevent it either. You disagree, and relish the opportunity to attack me personally for that. Knock yourself out.

O.K., I will. First, it's ironic that you would bitch about me misrepresenting you after all the strawmen you have thrown around. Second, you are mired in a meaningless semantic argument about the "definition" of evil, which is irrelevant. The POINT here is that there is a difference between a person who commits a crime for no rational reason because he has a mental disorder, and a sociopathic person who commits a crime for personal gain because he does not care if his actions adversely affect others. Both have psychological disorders, but they are of a different sort. A mentally ill person might, for example, suffer from a delusion that a terrorist has ordered him to kill someone, and if he does not, then the terrorist will detonate a bomb and kill 10,000 people. This person might actually believe that he is saving 10,000 lives by his actions. Something like that I would consider more tragic than anything else. You can call it "evil" if you like, and I wouldn't argue that it's not within the definition of evil, but it misses the point. I don't consider that the same as a person who shoots someone and takes his wallet simply because he wants money and doesn't care if other people die.

Finally, this whole rant you are on about my allegedly not making any distinction between a repeat offender and a one-time offender, is absurd. I never said any such thing. The law ALREADY makes a distinction between the two. The rest of your post just twists the argument into a fallacious appeal to emotion, pretending as though I don't care about children, which is utter hogwash. You may feel that the death penalty for any crime that gets your knee wildly jerking is the only way to "protect society", but I disagree. Again, if you dig draconian law, why don't you move to a country that practices it? Have fun with that; I'm sure glad you don't make the laws here.

Read much?

"the US is preparing to reintroduce a bill that could be used to shut down the internet.

The legislation, which would grant US President Barack Obama powers to seize control of and even shut down the internet, would soon be reintroduced to a senate committee, "

Is it anything like "Obama-not-born-a-US-citizen" wackiness?

Shrekgrinch, we missed you. I hope your time in solitary confinement wasn't too traumatic. Everyone here at Patrick.net is hoping the prison psychologists can achieve a treatment breakthrough for your conditions.

It's not terribly whacky to want to build an communications infrastructure apart from The Man's.

The Bay Area has a long, proud tradition of this form of anarchy.

http://www.historyofphonephreaking.org/docs.php

The EM commons has been sold to the higher bidder. We wuz robbed, and if we can grab it back I say go for it.

http://commonground-usa.net/license02.htm

I posted it by that Egypt article because they really could have benefitted from short-wave internet replacement. The government could not have shut that down.

government can jam shortwave.

but the actual article in question is waaay out into tinfoil land alas:

Determination and Tracking of Sun and Moon

The exact same equipment that is used for Moon Bounce can be readily used to find and track the sun and moon by searching the sky using a consistent pattern and looking for the unmistakable signature of "sun noise". Finding the sun and moon is relatively easy, even with a heavily overcast sky, software to track these noise sources over long periods of time can establish the new geographic location as well as equinox dates in the event of crustal displacement.

wat

Tenouncetrout says

Read much?
“the US is preparing to reintroduce a bill that could be used to shut down the internet.
The legislation, which would grant US President Barack Obama powers to seize control of and even shut down the internet, would soon be reintroduced to a senate committee, “

"The U.S." is doing no such thing. Joe Liberman (the biggest fucking dickwad in office) has proposed such a bill.

If the operators went along with it (an they might), it would be the worst thing to ever happen to the internet.

But that's just Joe. Joe is a dickhead.

If they wanted to they could, just that would screw so much business in the process that the consequences would be dire.

They would most likely shut down facebook/twitter/etc... just the popular media... and again we are ways from the time that government will need to do something out of self preservation.

After all government already tracks all the phone calls, has ability to filter internet traffic, and they do have a Guantanamo prison outside the system of laws.

Kevin says

Tenouncetrout says

Read much?

“the US is preparing to reintroduce a bill that could be used to shut down the internet.

The legislation, which would grant US President Barack Obama powers to seize control of and even shut down the internet, would soon be reintroduced to a senate committee, “

“The U.S.” is doing no such thing. Joe Liberman (the biggest fucking dickwad in office) has proposed such a bill.
If the operators went along with it (an they might), it would be the worst thing to ever happen to the internet.
But that’s just Joe. Joe is a dickhead.

Wuzzie Wuzzie Woo! He's Senior Droopy and he coulda been a contender.

Man how times change, 6 years ago, he was the best thing since a long chin.

Never a better time to buy.

http://www.missilebases.com/properties

SoCal Renter says

Is it anything like “Obama-not-born-a-US-citizen” wackiness?
Shrekgrinch, we missed you. I hope your time in solitary confinement wasn’t too traumatic. Everyone here at Patrick.net is hoping the prison psychologists can achieve a treatment breakthrough for your conditions.

Seriously funny.

Interesting that people would bother attacking an insurance policy mentality. What skin off your ass is it, anyway? What could possibly be your stake in someone else's desire to protect against risk, of any kind? Or for any reason?

Perhaps it's merely the cathartic joy of pretending to be superior to another human being. Just don't forget that in doing so, your untreated childhood traumas begin to show.

Packet radio for shortwave already exists, as do a few other alternatives...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_radio

All of which tend to be quite slow.

Then there's Internet 2, which no one seems to know about despite that several local-level politicians in major metro areas are campaigning on this. In a nutshell, Internet 2 is a replica of China's method of Internet control, except it's for the US.

Another clever comment. How in the world do you come up with these?

Sanskrit? Oh my. So cosmopolitan.

i disagree

The Words Or come from Old German and mean to copulate.

Realtor is Huge Fucker and
Banker is prohibited Fucker or Ass Fucker.

Well, you learn somthing new every day.

And to think that just yesterday I thought they both had the same meaning as santorum.

But how are realtors and potatoes related?

bubblesitter says

But how are realtors and potatoes related?

In a just world their professional vocabulary would center on "Do you want fries with that?"

yummy!

Katy Perry says

yummy!

You mean realtors?

Troy says

bubblesitter says

But how are realtors and potatoes related?

In a just world their professional vocabulary would center on “Do you want fries with that?”

LOL.

I am betting by 2012 -13 the rents will be around 750 again out there, (Sorry Rentalinvestor) I am sure you dont agree, and I feel strong about that. Prices should be 100,000-135,000 once again in that same time frame. Double dip is going to hit hard not this is of course pure speculation, and stranger things have happened.

A bit of "homesteading grants" is not a bad idea, especially in Detroit.

But I sure hope they have the sense to attach some strict rules that officers must live in their homesteads for X>5 years, can not flip them, cannot work on the house while they are supposed to be at the firehouse, and so on. Maybe a profit-sharing plan?

Just visit Detroit once and you'll see why it's still no bargain at $1,000. I would not live there even for free.

It's very dangerous, there are few jobs, lots of racial tension, high property taxes, corrupt city government, and poor services. Oh, and a brutal winter.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/11/08/murder-city-danger-forbeslife-cx_de_1108murder_slide_2.html

Lately Detroit has only half as many murders per year compared to when I lived in Michigan. Michigan. But it's still the WORST in the United States.

Chicago has the same winter, but it's an infinitely nicer place to live. Safer, cleaner, lots to do on the north side at least.

They should just demolish the houses already. NOBODY wants them.

shrekgrinch says

Yeah, that is why I bumped up the proposed grant and let anyone qualify. You’d be surprised by how many people would take up the offer. I am sure you wouldn’t take a job at Wal-Mart either, but over 20,000 people applied at the Super Wal-Mart in Oakland right before it opened.

On Walmart's wages, a $1,000 house would be affordable. I know people who work at Walmart that qualify for food stamps.

i would extend the offer to any military veteran, who is willing to live in the house for 2 years.

Just visit Detroit once and you’ll see why it’s still no bargain at $1,000. I would not live there even for free.
It’s very dangerous, there are few jobs, lots of racial tension, high property taxes, corrupt city government, and poor services. Oh, and a brutal winter.
http://www.forbes.com/2007/11/08/murder-city-danger-forbeslife-cx_de_1108murder_slide_2.html
Lately Detroit has only half as many murders per year compared to when I lived in Michigan. Michigan. But it’s still the WORST in the United States.
Chicago has the same winter, but it’s an infinitely nicer place to live. Safer, cleaner, lots to do on the north side at least.

I disagree with you Patrick, if just a little. Chicago seems nicer, but the groups of angy black youths who routinely go "wilding" on the north side of Chicago is an ever growing problem. Even if the media doesn't cover it.

The schools are gladiator academies, and a precusor to Cook County Jail, just in time to get a real penetentiary-style education.

Racial tension? Please Chicago takes the cake, as whites quickly walk past ignoring blacks, hoping not to get raped, mugged or robbed. And let's not foget to throw in the those who march and protest for every right not granted as citizens of Mexico.

Corruption is something that Chicago excels at, as Mayor Daley has bankrupted the city through no-bid contracts, capital (contractor-welfare) improvement projects, fake minority hiring (as related by the Federal courts), nepotism; his son makes 74k as his Admin assistant for a job he doesn't show for, etc., etc.

Chicago has the worst water system in the nation, which contrasts with the 200% increase in water bills.

Gas and light utitilies have gone up over 150% in the past 5 years.

Lets not talk about the 100% property tax increases, as well as undermanned police force that is still budget for full strength put not fully staffed, thus returning the unused monies to Daley's pockets through the City's general fund.

The 50 thieves masquerading as alderman, are corrupt rubber stampers of Daley's agenda. I guess their million dollar budget and 90k salaries each, help make their spineless actions easier.

We even had an alderman, Sharon Dixon, arrested for DUI and refusing to take a breathalyzer. She had obvious signs of intoxication, and became combatitive. That did not stop a corrupt judge for finding that the officers had no probable cause, opening them up for her civil suit. What a joke.
You are right though. Chicago is cleaner. The bums are allowed to sleep and congregate in any police station, library, and city building, with the exception of City Hall.

All of this only makes my strategic default and subsequent 16-month squat even sweeter.

romeotybalt says

Chicago seems nicer, but the groups of angy black youths who routinely go “wilding” on the north side of Chicago is an ever growing problem. Even if the media doesn’t cover it.

Is the media in on it? Why isn't this out there - or have we become desensitized to the point that we're used to it and want something more shocking. I mean like Detroit becoming an industrialized ghost town.

Just curious. I'm spoiled, live in a rural area with so little crime that when someone gets a ticket we're all shocked.

HousingWatcher says

They should just demolish the houses already. NOBODY wants them.

Are you being serious? I'm sure they could sell somewhere in the middle of what they were and the 1,000 they are asking now.

I bet for every empty house in Detroit, somewhere there's somebody just busted up and besides them selves that they lost that house.

Its kind of like cash for clunkers idea. Basically the way to raise real estate prices is to create artificial demand for it. They'll probably create a local bubble out there if they let it get out of control (which fickle/corrupt government always does).

been to Detroit 3 times, got asked for money 3 times. The KFC in some places has iron bars on the window and the cashier area is like a ticket booth in the theater. Worse than Oakland? U bet.

Baltimore sold a bunch of pretty bad houses that they acquired for a section of I270 that was never built for $1.00 each in the 70's with stipulations that you had to live there and fix it up. Loans were available from the city for fix up. Baltimore at the time wasn't any better than Detroit is today. I used to run a concession at the Baltimore street fair every year in the early 70's (college job). We were armed and working behind very heavy chicken wire. These are really nice places now, so a program like this can work if set up properly.

Chicago high rise projects are getting torn down so the government created leeches are moving to their new free digs out in the south suburbs where the murder rate has skyrocketed! All my college roommates used to live in the upper middle class suburb of South Holland. It's now a freaking ghetto!!!

moonmac says

Chicago high rise projects are getting torn down so the government created leeches are moving to their new free digs out in the south suburbs where the murder rate has skyrocketed! All my college roommates used to live in the upper middle class suburb of South Holland. It’s now a freaking ghetto!!!

When was South Holland an upper middle class suburb? 1940?

"Are you being serious? I’m sure they could sell somewhere in the middle of what they were and the 1,000 they are asking now."

No they can't. Who wants a house in a city with high crime and absolutely no jobs? Countless hosues in Detroit are in horrible condition and make no economical sense to renovate. They have been stipped down to the studs or even have fire damage from arson. These houses are unsellable.

bob2356 says

Baltimore sold a bunch of pretty bad houses that they acquired for a section of I270 that was never built for $1.00 each in the 70’s with stipulations that you had to live there and fix it up. Loans were available from the city for fix up. Baltimore at the time wasn’t any better than Detroit is today. I used to run a concession at the Baltimore street fair every year in the early 70’s (college job). We were armed and working behind very heavy chicken wire. These are really nice places now, so a program like this can work if set up properly.

Yes, but $1000 for a house the parts of Detrioit where these houses are might be above market.

elliemae says

On Walmart’s wages, a $1,000 house would be affordable. I know people who work at Walmart that qualify for food stamps.

Don't forget that the property taxes are probably several times more than the house. And then there's the daily cost of ammo for defense.

patb says

i would extend the offer to any military veteran, who is willing to live in the house for 2 years.

Good idea. Military training is probably essential for anyone who moves in. And Marines in particular tend to be a good influence in bad neighborhoods, IMHO. Everything would be in ship shape, at least at their house.

romeotybalt says

I disagree with you Patrick, if just a little. Chicago seems nicer, but the groups of angy black youths who routinely go “wilding” on the north side of Chicago is an ever growing problem. Even if the media doesn’t cover it.

Yes, Chicago has major problems, but compared to Detroit it's pretty safe and cushy. Which just shows you how bad Detroit is.

romeotybalt says

Corruption is something that Chicago excels at, as Mayor Daley has bankrupted the city

Old Mayor Daley is buried just two blocks from where I lived ages 0 to 9, in the same Irish cemetery as my paternal grandparents, aunts, uncles (Holy Sepulchre Cemetery). And my other grandfather worked for Daley's organization, in the Daley building downtown. One of my earliest memories is visiting him there. It was the first time I was in a tall building and kind of magical. Anyway, I know the Daleys are crooks but I can't hate them.

Mr.Fantastic says

Detroit, Oakland, and Camden are all cities that should be paying people to live in vacant houses within their borders. Preferably military men with basic combat training.

Where is apocalypse when his insight in this would be so good.

To comment on the original post though, I'm just not sure whats with this political fetish for police and firefighters, what the hell makes them so special compared to everyone else.