patrick.net

In EVERY measure of tabulation, Trump won a huge majority except the total national vote. He won more counties, states and area. If it wasn't for a couple of SMALL solid Blue areas, Hillary wouldn't of even been in the game. She lost MANY states that Obama won TWICE.

lol--that's a pretty important distinction in a Democracy. Winning more total votes. Don't you think?

Ironman says

their paychecks LOCALLY in Indiana and Carrier will be paying all types of taxes and expenses LOCALLY in Indiana, instead of Mexico.

Moreover, for a person like me who works in small company niche manufacturing, the parts manufacturers will more likely be nearby, and have to deal in the States, making more jobs than just the 1000 at the prime. Its plausible that Carrier has 10-20 subcomponent Manufacturing.

This is trickle down economics in reality. When a company owns some of the market, their sales trickle into subcomponent contracts. But those Trickle down denyers have not worked in manufacturing mostly. Next time you see a person who denys trickle down ask them about their manufacturing or subcontracting experience.

I was blessed to work on the Space Shuttle as part of Rockwell STS. I cannot count or name all the subcontracts, ( I only dealt with 3-4), but there was so many jobs all over the States. Beyond the Rocket Engines from Utah, parts from Indiana,100s of electronics LRUs, there was even subcontractors for the APU which I dealt with. The area around Downey CA was a hub-bub of technology, many high tech and lower tech vendors near by.

Most of the electronics were designed and made in USA, and this trickled in from HP, trickled down from private sector Silicon Valley (When Silicon Valley produced most of the ICs in the world).

STS was like a society onto itself - and the people I met there were some of the smartest, hardest working, and herioc people I have ever worked with. And I have never seen such productivity (even though some of the new private sector space firms are more cost efficient) from a Government contractor.

Obama saved nothing. In fact, he scaled up the jobs departures and made in-sourcing American jobs to foreigners Great again. Hell, he just expanded the fucking H1B program by executive order last week! A more anti-jobs POTUS is hard to imagine. He didn't have the first clue how such jobs could be saved, didn't want to try, and openly mocked Trump for caring or promising to do something. Obama is a failure and we will all be better off with him permanently consigned to the golf course and away from the reins of power.

lostand confused says

You people are nuts. He saved 1000 families.

Apparently your job didn't move to Mexico.
Those people & their families that lost their jobs will be waiting for the trickle down.
How much tariff will trump place on Carrier products made overseas?

Thanks Obama for 4.9% unemployment rate.

BOYCOTT ALL Rep/Con/Tea/Neo-Nazis!

Fuck India: the worse our relations with them the less tech jobs will be outsourced there.

Alarm clock just went off. It time to pull head out of sand. Millions removed from labor pool statistics. 10s of Millions have had flat or reduced salaries last 15-20 years.

Walmart now is the biggest employer in 19 states, the replacement job Megastore for Jobs Offshored.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Walmart

Dems - the lobbying is deceptive and fierce. Sadly the Democratic Nominee was under scrutiny for Lobbying funds from Walmart:

http://reason.com/archives/2016/04/18/hillary-clintons-walmart

Boycott cheap foreign goods due to outsourcing from NAFTA. Boycott those who passed NAFTA and took money from those who profited from Outsourcing.

Flashback: Lobbyist enrich themselves at the expense of the US economy and US workers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/clinton-money/

Entitlemented says

Walmart now is the biggest employer in 19 states, the replacement job Megastore for Jobs Offshored.

Yep. The biggest employers used to be GM, Firestone, US Steel. Today they're Walmart, Target, and CVS.

HEY YOU says

Apparently your job didn't move to Mexico.

Those people & their families that lost their jobs will be waiting for the trickle down.

How much tariff will trump place on Carrier products made overseas?

Thanks Obama for 4.9% unemployment rate.

BOYCOTT ALL Rep/Con/Tea/Neo-Nazis!

As per Obama's own words none of those jobs can be saved-zero. He is the president for 8 years.

Trump is not President, stepped in and saved a 1000 jobs.
only thing you have going for you is the crazy vote.
You crazy rant is boycott rep/con/teas/nazis- keep going like this-dems will continue loosing massively.

lostand confused says

When somebody says, like the person you just mentioned who I’m not going to advertise for, that he’s going to bring all these jobs back, well how exactly are you going to do that? What are you going to do? There’s — there’s no answer to it. He just says, “Well, I’m going to negotiate a better deal.” Well, how — what — how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have? And usually, the answer is he doesn’t have an answer.

The above is the pig's response to carrier jobs going to mexico-no wonder you are a dem-all you need is a few words thrown at you and key up; and vomit a few phrases and life is good.

HEY YOU says

How many jobs did trump let move to Mexico?

Not as many as were leaving under Obama.

anonymous says

Speaking of GM and that Victory Lap in Ohio...General Motors to lay off more than 2,000 workers indefinitely at two assembly plants in Ohio and Michigan starting in January.

http://www.idahopress.com/news/national/gm-laying-off-over-at-car-plants-as-sales-slow/article_55508d9f-0c1a-5801-8ec0-3b71c6ca44b3.html

And back home again in Indiana GM has announced that by the middle of 2017 it will eliminate 160 jobs at a semiconductor plant in Kokomo, Indiana.

http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2016/11/gm-closing-indiana-semi-conductor-plant/

Who is the President right now and where you folks the last 8 years??

Why doen't Obozo give them a call -nope too busy signing executive orders for H1B.

STFU ,bleeding heart loony leftwingnutz.

BOYCOTT ALL Rep/Con/Tea/Neo-Nazis!

i live in CA. my neighbors reported seeing truck loads of what looked like illegals being transported to the voting booths. not a single one of them spoke English.

"i live in CA. my neighbors reported seeing truck loads of what looked like illegals being transported to the voting booths. not a single one of them spoke English."

So, how exactly did this go down? He saw a truckload of people, followed them to see they were going to the polls, then interviewed each of them to see how well they spoke English? wtf? Couldn't you come up with a slightly more believable lie?

The last time Leftists changed a major congressional rule, it was to firmly sit Republicans in their place, and stop them from obstructing the seating of obama's cabinet of czars as well as his picks for the Supreme Court.
Now they bitterly regret changing that rule, as Trump can seat anyone he likes with a simple majority, which the Republicans have. They have put themselves out in the cold.

Tim Aurora says

Seems like I should not have left China.

Yep, you can't object to any political tactic there! Pesky reformers are jailed and shot promptly! You best hurry back.

The LAST thing democrats wAnt is an examination into who voted in California. If the truth came out, people would demand IDs at the polling stations and the state might go red!

Oooo... I pissed off a liberal enough to spoof my account!

Interesting to see what he does to the Fed. He may have to live in a tank, or a rocket hanger for safety.

zzyzzx is deplorable says

Oooo... I pissed off a liberal enough to spoof my account!

Ha I was wondering if you hit your head and got transformed into a brain damaged leftie?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trump needs to use eminent domain to publicize Goldman Sachs, then divide the shares up with all citizens.
Then we can flood the government with GS expats and finally have representation...

If everyone rallied around Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders

---------------

Are you dumber than fuck, or just dishonest as all hell?

The two are opposing forces, as Warren rallied around Clinton and told Sanders to beat it.

Given recent predictive history can we choose both?

errc says

Are you dumber than fuck, or just dishonest as all hell?

zzyzzx is deplorable says

Oooo... I pissed off a liberal enough to spoof my account!

If you're getting the flak, you're over the target.

Whenever I post charts about unemployment and jobs created the pundits are growing the labor force chart back. That is all demographics thrown into one pot and it's one long dropping chart.

How do you combat that to a person seemingly willing to ignore all other statistics?

SubOink says

How do you combat that to a person seemingly willing to ignore all other statistics?

Look how I do it on facebook live

https://www.facebook.com/Logan.Mohtashami/videos/vb.783163249/10154295022093250/?type=3&theater

SubOink says

How do you combat that to a person seemingly willing to ignore all other statistics?

Also trap debate people with their serious terrible economic logic. Irony now is that with the Republicans now in power ... a lot these Anti American website, trolls and useless economic people

Either have to change their tune or not care about the last 8 years on the things they complained about the most

SubOink says

willing to ignore all other statistics?

Really want to explain the data in a way where it makes their original thesis sound silly

Trap tactic I like to use is this

Label Anti American

Then they push that stupid 95 million Americans out of a job thesis out

Start with this

Great Recession lost 8.8 million Jobs

Post 2010 We gained 15.6 Million

Where did we lose 95 Million Americans from 2008-2010

Then the 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc etc answers to that first question ... basically destroys everything the Anti American bears believe..

What I have done over the last few years is collect a bunch of crazy economic theories and keep them until the next recession and then collect a 2nd waive of horrible economic theories during the recession and the recovery call them out a again and then write a Book

The Rise Of the Anti American Trolls and the Data Miners who fought

Material I have is priceless so far.. some from this site... but have to wait want to get them all in the next recession recovery cycle

Like the charts here drive the Anti American bears nuts

"U.S. Job Market Nearing Full Employment" just wrote this on Friday... automatic click from Shadow Stat believers, most pushing gold and silver websites

https://loganmohtashami.com/2016/12/02/u-s-job-market-nearing-full-employment/

Lol - thanks Logan...

Logan Mohtashami says

Great Recession lost 8.8 million Jobs

Post 2010 We gained 15.6 Million

Where did we lose 95 Million Americans from 2008-2010

We did not.

Strategist says

We did not.

Then the 2nd - 7th dialog goes into prime age labor force numbers....

Which currently now is 2.4 million missing

Then the fall down the Alice .. cough cough Zerohedge rabbit hole.. and it gets worse and worse as the conversation continues

Some just leave and never come back, some ( which I give credit too) acknowlege that they just didn't know the data and then the rest are just Anti American bears ...

So I have fun with them now being a Republican

Stop lying or else Trump will hunt you down on twitter

#Trump vs #ZeroHedge and #Goldbugs

Going to be hilarious to watch

my debates are mostly with people who deny that we have had any recovery - republicans that hated Obama from the beginning and are basically saying it couldn't have been worse - he wrecked the economy but thank god now we have trump and its all gonna be great. I could care less of a political side but numbers are numbers...and even though the statistics that people llike yourself post seem quite easy to understand it always comes back to the labor force participation - the worst labor participation in 30 years yadda yadda, full-time is now 30hrs, unemployment count is rigged, ...

I have kind of given up...

But on another note - whats your take on wealth gap?

SubOink says

whats your take on wealth gap?

What country has 25 Trillion now in housing and in Pension plans

Money velocity is terrible but this gap isn't as bad as people ( the hard left) make it out to be...

SubOink says

the worst labor participation in 30 years yadda yadda, full-time is now 30hrs, unemployment count is rigged, ...

This is the first step I am doing to go after the Anti American Bears, I just did this a hour ago... people can follow a long too

https://www.facebook.com/Logan.Mohtashami/videos/vb.783163249/10154303911043250/?type=3&theater

Donald Trump vs Zero Hedge, Goldbugs and Anti Federal Reserve People

#DonalTrump #TrumpPresident #TrumpVsZeroHedge #TrumpVsGoldBugs #TrumpVsAntiFedPeople

Logan Mohtashami says

What country has 25 Trillion now in housing and in Pension plans

Money velocity is terrible but this gap isn't as bad as people ( the hard left) make it out to be...

Right

I saw a quote from a book "millionaire next door" the other day. It was published in 1996, 3.5% owned half the wealth...isn't that number 1% now? Is that no concern for you when apparently a smaller and smaller number of people control more share of the entire wealth? Just throwing that out there because I am curious what your thoughts are.

SubOink says

Just throwing that out there because I am curious what your thoughts are.

Velocity of wealth distribution isn't good ...

But the middle class is rising and soon a massive older work force will either be dead or leave the work force all together giving the rise the big labor force coming on line

and as long as this moves forward

I am not worried about the 70/30 ratio ... because the U.S. middle class consumption model and education is the best the world has ever seen... as long as inflation is low... the U.S. is going to smoke the world out badly too

What other country has 25 Trillion dollars in their pension plans

A lot wage numbers hide the facts of benefits and 401K contribution

The data is being looked at in a wrong manner

My biggest fear... massive aging work force and yes they will always have S.S. but how much does their needs being taken care off take away from their children consumption model