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I'm pretty sure Trump was just in full salesman mode, flattering up the marks is par for the course. Maybe he wants to do a reset a la Hillary Clinton with Pakistan, making it clear to them from the start that he considers their diplomatic relationship a new beginning. This doesn't mean he plans to give away the farm like Bush II and Obama did, pouring billions in foreign "aid" to The Pakistani government in a futile attempt to sway them to stop the Taliban. They were never going to do this because: a)stopping the Taliban was unpopular and b)the US kept giving them money to not stop the Taliban. Duh!
I think a Trump will be a much better negotiator.
The Leftist neocons have had their try. Now they snipe from the peanut gallery as a master does his work.

Trump is a salesman. Some might compare this to a con man but this is incorrect. A salesman tries to sell a product or service. A con man just tries to get the money for nothing. The United States has much to offer, but thanks to idealogues being in charge for decades, we haven't made nearly as many or as good of deals as we're possible. For example, we should be trading with the whole world, as much as possible while protecting our patents and production as much as possible.
Obama is the opposite of Trump. He will walk away from a deal because he doesn't like the politics of the other guy. That's like a car salesman turning away a cash customer because he's a mortician and that's distasteful to the salesman. That salesman would get fired the minute his boss learned about such antics. And we just fired a whole bunch of ineffective people who were mostly all lawyers who are great at obstruction but not great at selling or getting things done.
We've had our fill of obstructionism.
Time to make some deals.

YesYNot says

It's obviously a pile of horse shit. What's odd is how he's setting the stage for how things should be interpreted. Now, if he actually means to convey support for someone, what does he do? Does he just add more and more superlatives?

I don't think he supports anyone, outside himself.
But seriously, if you were on the phone with the leader of an other nuclear armed country, and had no experience of diplomacy whatsoever, would you go for something like "why don't you stop supporting the Taliban, you SOB?"? or would go for the empty guff?

Isn't that reassuring - in a way?

YesYNot says

Most Trump haters have known that Trump is just a bullshitter / con man / fancy version of a used car salesman / whatever you want to call it.

Realtor.

PockyClipsNow says

Trump's win is the best thing to ever happen the country is FINALLY free from the banker 1% corportate overlords at the POTUS level

Yeah, we'll see about that.

I'm ok with prez orange cheeto! Only prez AF disbanding the NAR and announcing realtor internment camps right after results would have been a viable alternative.

Heraclitusstudent says

Sounds like the kind of amiable empty guff every salesman will tell you before trying to screw you over.

Quigley says

Trump is a salesman. Some might compare this to a con man but this is incorrect. A salesman tries to sell a product or service. A con man just tries to get the money for nothing. The United States has much to offer, but thanks to idealogues being in charge for decades, we haven't made nearly as many or as good of deals as we're possible. For example, we should be trading with the whole world, as much as possible while protecting our patents and production as much as possible.

Bingo.

Heraclitusstudent says

Isn't that reassuring - in a way?

You can't make some people happy. The "Dangerous Loose Cannon" narrative must be preserved. "Oh, he's schmoozing Pakistan - what will India think?"

Gawd the rancid stink of indians getting their panties in bunches that someone made a goodwill gesture to their nemises is so obvious here. get a life you freaks, Trump all the way and he does not need to side with any one populace. He is a businessman and he will do deals with all. Fuckin maggots you indians are.

Heraclitusstudent says

But seriously, if you were on the phone with the leader of an other nuclear armed country, and had no experience of diplomacy whatsoever, would you go for something like "why don't you stop supporting the Taliban, you SOB?"? or would go for the empty guff?

I'd just say thank you very much yada yada yada. We look forward to finding ways to work with Pakistan. I'd not have done all of the ass kissing that he did. This is basically a non-issue, though, and I'd rather Trump err on the side of seeming nice. He's not setting policy after all. It's just really funny to see the 180o turns left and right from Trump tower.

This is almost as undiplomatic and inflammatory as Hillary comparing Putin to Hitler or "joking" that he doesn't have a soul.

Islam does hate us. He said nothing wrong.

How many jobs did trump let move to Mexico?

HEY YOU says

How many jobs did trump let move to Mexico?

You people are nuts. He saved 1000 families. That is called a deal, negotiating-you get something, you give something. . Why don't you ask OBama that stupid question-the pig has been president for 8 years and after that this question is directed at trump?. Trump has not even taken over and he does this, Ford and torpedoes the TPP-that is more than Obozo in his 8 years and he hasn't even taken over. Oh and the pig Obozo signed an executive order for unlimited H1B for some circumstances-when there are millions of qualified Ameicans-why don't you ask that pig that question and about TPP?? Why does he have to sign the H1B legislation when he is leaving and dash the hopes of unemployed Americans. The dems are just leftist snobbish globalist pigs.

When somebody says, like the person you just mentioned who I’m not going to advertise for, that he’s going to bring all these jobs back, well how exactly are you going to do that? What are you going to do? There’s — there’s no answer to it. He just says, “Well, I’m going to negotiate a better deal.” Well, how — what — how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have? And usually, the answer is he doesn’t have an answer.

That is what is wrong with the left -they don't care about people, but ivory tower ideas. Global hemisphere was Hilalry's dream. let millions of potential jihadis in, let men use women's bathroom-because they feel that they are a woman at that moment. I mean stupid dems went from being people of the common man to the party of the SJW. I would not be surprised if she is the next Dem presidential nominee- deranged lunatics.

www.youtube.com/embed/Y69tkCbeC5o

Quigley says

We've had our fill of obstructionism

Then why did "we" just return 96% of the most obstructive Congress in history to office?

Robert Sproul says

This is almost as undiplomatic and inflammatory as Hillary comparing Putin to Hitler or "joking" that he doesn't have a soul.

Yeah, it was almost like she painted herself so deep in the corner that she'd have a tough time with diplomacy with Russia as President.

Of course, after appointing Victoria Nuland Assnt Sec. of State, she'd send arms and 'volunteers' to Ukraine and go to Defcon 2

In EVERY measure of tabulation, Trump won a huge majority except the total national vote. He won more counties, states and area. If it wasn't for a couple of SMALL solid Blue areas, Hillary wouldn't of even been in the game. She lost MANY states that Obama won TWICE.

lol--that's a pretty important distinction in a Democracy. Winning more total votes. Don't you think?

Ironman says

their paychecks LOCALLY in Indiana and Carrier will be paying all types of taxes and expenses LOCALLY in Indiana, instead of Mexico.

Moreover, for a person like me who works in small company niche manufacturing, the parts manufacturers will more likely be nearby, and have to deal in the States, making more jobs than just the 1000 at the prime. Its plausible that Carrier has 10-20 subcomponent Manufacturing.

This is trickle down economics in reality. When a company owns some of the market, their sales trickle into subcomponent contracts. But those Trickle down denyers have not worked in manufacturing mostly. Next time you see a person who denys trickle down ask them about their manufacturing or subcontracting experience.

I was blessed to work on the Space Shuttle as part of Rockwell STS. I cannot count or name all the subcontracts, ( I only dealt with 3-4), but there was so many jobs all over the States. Beyond the Rocket Engines from Utah, parts from Indiana,100s of electronics LRUs, there was even subcontractors for the APU which I dealt with. The area around Downey CA was a hub-bub of technology, many high tech and lower tech vendors near by.

Most of the electronics were designed and made in USA, and this trickled in from HP, trickled down from private sector Silicon Valley (When Silicon Valley produced most of the ICs in the world).

STS was like a society onto itself - and the people I met there were some of the smartest, hardest working, and herioc people I have ever worked with. And I have never seen such productivity (even though some of the new private sector space firms are more cost efficient) from a Government contractor.

Obama saved nothing. In fact, he scaled up the jobs departures and made in-sourcing American jobs to foreigners Great again. Hell, he just expanded the fucking H1B program by executive order last week! A more anti-jobs POTUS is hard to imagine. He didn't have the first clue how such jobs could be saved, didn't want to try, and openly mocked Trump for caring or promising to do something. Obama is a failure and we will all be better off with him permanently consigned to the golf course and away from the reins of power.

lostand confused says

You people are nuts. He saved 1000 families.

Apparently your job didn't move to Mexico.
Those people & their families that lost their jobs will be waiting for the trickle down.
How much tariff will trump place on Carrier products made overseas?

Thanks Obama for 4.9% unemployment rate.

BOYCOTT ALL Rep/Con/Tea/Neo-Nazis!

Fuck India: the worse our relations with them the less tech jobs will be outsourced there.

Alarm clock just went off. It time to pull head out of sand. Millions removed from labor pool statistics. 10s of Millions have had flat or reduced salaries last 15-20 years.

Walmart now is the biggest employer in 19 states, the replacement job Megastore for Jobs Offshored.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Walmart

Dems - the lobbying is deceptive and fierce. Sadly the Democratic Nominee was under scrutiny for Lobbying funds from Walmart:

http://reason.com/archives/2016/04/18/hillary-clintons-walmart

Boycott cheap foreign goods due to outsourcing from NAFTA. Boycott those who passed NAFTA and took money from those who profited from Outsourcing.

Flashback: Lobbyist enrich themselves at the expense of the US economy and US workers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/clinton-money/

Entitlemented says

Walmart now is the biggest employer in 19 states, the replacement job Megastore for Jobs Offshored.

Yep. The biggest employers used to be GM, Firestone, US Steel. Today they're Walmart, Target, and CVS.

HEY YOU says

Apparently your job didn't move to Mexico.

Those people & their families that lost their jobs will be waiting for the trickle down.

How much tariff will trump place on Carrier products made overseas?

Thanks Obama for 4.9% unemployment rate.

BOYCOTT ALL Rep/Con/Tea/Neo-Nazis!

As per Obama's own words none of those jobs can be saved-zero. He is the president for 8 years.

Trump is not President, stepped in and saved a 1000 jobs.
only thing you have going for you is the crazy vote.
You crazy rant is boycott rep/con/teas/nazis- keep going like this-dems will continue loosing massively.

lostand confused says

When somebody says, like the person you just mentioned who I’m not going to advertise for, that he’s going to bring all these jobs back, well how exactly are you going to do that? What are you going to do? There’s — there’s no answer to it. He just says, “Well, I’m going to negotiate a better deal.” Well, how — what — how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have? And usually, the answer is he doesn’t have an answer.

The above is the pig's response to carrier jobs going to mexico-no wonder you are a dem-all you need is a few words thrown at you and key up; and vomit a few phrases and life is good.

HEY YOU says

How many jobs did trump let move to Mexico?

Not as many as were leaving under Obama.

anonymous says

Speaking of GM and that Victory Lap in Ohio...General Motors to lay off more than 2,000 workers indefinitely at two assembly plants in Ohio and Michigan starting in January.

http://www.idahopress.com/news/national/gm-laying-off-over-at-car-plants-as-sales-slow/article_55508d9f-0c1a-5801-8ec0-3b71c6ca44b3.html

And back home again in Indiana GM has announced that by the middle of 2017 it will eliminate 160 jobs at a semiconductor plant in Kokomo, Indiana.

http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2016/11/gm-closing-indiana-semi-conductor-plant/

Who is the President right now and where you folks the last 8 years??

Why doen't Obozo give them a call -nope too busy signing executive orders for H1B.

STFU ,bleeding heart loony leftwingnutz.

BOYCOTT ALL Rep/Con/Tea/Neo-Nazis!

i live in CA. my neighbors reported seeing truck loads of what looked like illegals being transported to the voting booths. not a single one of them spoke English.

"i live in CA. my neighbors reported seeing truck loads of what looked like illegals being transported to the voting booths. not a single one of them spoke English."

So, how exactly did this go down? He saw a truckload of people, followed them to see they were going to the polls, then interviewed each of them to see how well they spoke English? wtf? Couldn't you come up with a slightly more believable lie?

The last time Leftists changed a major congressional rule, it was to firmly sit Republicans in their place, and stop them from obstructing the seating of obama's cabinet of czars as well as his picks for the Supreme Court.
Now they bitterly regret changing that rule, as Trump can seat anyone he likes with a simple majority, which the Republicans have. They have put themselves out in the cold.

Tim Aurora says

Seems like I should not have left China.

Yep, you can't object to any political tactic there! Pesky reformers are jailed and shot promptly! You best hurry back.

The LAST thing democrats wAnt is an examination into who voted in California. If the truth came out, people would demand IDs at the polling stations and the state might go red!

Oooo... I pissed off a liberal enough to spoof my account!

Interesting to see what he does to the Fed. He may have to live in a tank, or a rocket hanger for safety.

zzyzzx is deplorable says

Oooo... I pissed off a liberal enough to spoof my account!

Ha I was wondering if you hit your head and got transformed into a brain damaged leftie?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trump needs to use eminent domain to publicize Goldman Sachs, then divide the shares up with all citizens.
Then we can flood the government with GS expats and finally have representation...

If everyone rallied around Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders

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Are you dumber than fuck, or just dishonest as all hell?

The two are opposing forces, as Warren rallied around Clinton and told Sanders to beat it.