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Strategist says

Hey Logan, record highs every day. Are we rich yet?

S&P: All-time High
Dow: All-time High
Nasdaq: All-Time High
Russell 2000: All-time High
MidCap 400: All-time High
👏👏👏👏🙌

Obama gave us all grey hair.

I commented above but without linking my sources, and got Disliked. I've added the source links, as I tend to do. If anyone Disliked my comment for lack of sources, then please consider the updated version.

curious2 says

bob2356 says

Citizens united

Democrats outspent Republicans in 2016, including outside money, both by a wide margin. If money buys elections, then Democrats paid for a landslide. Even among Republicans, including PAC money, Donald Trump spent a fraction as much as "Jeb!" The Petrodollar candidates were supposed to be Bush v Clinton, again, but the voters weren't having it.

Gerrymandering and other Republican tactics have been going on a long time, and The New Yorker has been reporting on them since at least the W administration. They didn't stop the 2008 election.

Voters wanted change. Heavy spending by party establishments favored the established Bush & Clinton brands, both working for the establishment Petrodollar consensus including especially the MIC and KSA. Many on the left, e.g. Chris Matthews, faulted Hillary's "stupid wars." She campaigned on escalating wars that had served only her MIC and KSA sponsors, at the expense of America. She campaigned on Obamneycare (FKA "Hillary's Plan"), which remained unpopular. And, for optics, she featured Muslims in hijabs.

curious2 says

Democrats outspent Republicans in 2016, by a wide margin. If money buys elections, then Democrats bought a landslide. Even among Republicans, Donald Trump spent a fraction as much as "Jeb!" The Petrodollar candidates were supposed to be Bush v Clinton, again, but the voters weren't having it.

Gerrymandering and other Republican tactics have been going on a long time, and The New Yorker has been reporting on them since at least the W administration. They didn't stop the 2008 election.

There wasn't enough money on the planet to make hillary electable. Christ she barely pulled out the nomination against a vermont socialist who wasn't even a democrat. The big republican money went downstream to the senate and house elections, not to trump. The big players weren't on board with trump and didn't support him, but were very committed to the house and senate races, far outspending democrats.

Post citizens united 2010 election republicans picked up 675 state seats. Republicans won control of both legislature and governor in 21 states. There has never been a shift like that in the history of elections. Never. Not even close. Where did all these new republican voters come from? Money, big big money, certainly did buy a most of these of races. Small rural districts suddenly had millions pouring in to support the republican candidate for state legislative office. Where did this kind of money come from supporting republicans for state races?

After 2010 republicans controlled redistricting of 4 districts for every 1 by democrats. Control of the redistricting is control of the elections. Again look at NC. Did tens or hundreds of thousands of new republican voters pour into the state pre 2012 elections? How did the NC congressional makeup change so radically with the same voters?

Bob, you seem to have reverted to your rhetorical questions, and I am not your research assistant. Obamneycare gave Republicans a 10-point head start in every election. How many trillions of dollars a year does the medical-industrial complex receive, guaranteed by government since Obamneycare? (Hint: more than three.) How many Koch Brothers would it take to add up to $3T? (Hint: you'd need the entire net worth of around 100 Koch Brothers every year to compete.) The reason Democrats could and did outspend Republicans in 2016 is because both MICs favored Democrats, whom they could count on for more wars and more pills. Again, if money alone buys elections, then congratulate "Jeb!" on the Republican nomination, and HIllary on the Presidency. Money can put a thumb on the scale, and it might even buy 37 faithless electors, but blaming Citizens United while ignoring Obamneycare is a partisan meme rather than a serious analysis.

jazz music says

The concept of "hell"....

is intrinsic to IslamIslam. You'd have to cite a source if you want to say Christians invented it. I think it was pre-existing (e.g. Hades, which only few could escape).

jazz music says

What will ever entice people to start looking at the real world?

I wondered that when you claimed Obamneycare had reduced medical inflation. In "the real world," insurance premiums are "soaring" thanks to Obamneycare.

jazz music says

Baptists will come after you if you stop attending.

They won't come after you with swords to cut off your head. In the contemporary world, that feature is unique to Islam.

jazz music says

The concept of "hell" was invented by a Christian religion, totally absent from Judaism.

No - Zoroastrianrism brought these concepts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism

jazz music says

curious2 says

Christians invented it

I did not say that. I said the opposite. Please correct your false comment. Also, your linked sources do not say what you say. They say Catholics believe in hell, but your sources do not claim that Christians invented it. As I wrote, not as you would pretend I wrote, it was pre-existing, and is intrinsic to Islam. If you want to say that some Christians added it to Christianity also, then say what you want to say, but don't accuse me of saying it.

Entitlemented says

Zoroastrianrism brought these concepts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism

And they may even have pre-dated Zoroastrianism.

Sir Winston Churchill:

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

The issue comes down to whether it is easier to corrupt 37 individual persons out of 580 whose names are known, or to fool a majority of the voters in enough of the states to comprise an electoral majority. I suspect the bipartisan Petrodollar establishment is trying to keep the established game going by any means necessary, and corrupting 37 is the latest effort after an avalanche of campaign spending and media manipulation failed. I don't presume to know the best result, but I do think Pence and Blackwell are much worse than the President-elect, and the establishment is going after the guy who campaigned against the establishment in order to replace him personally while leaving the frightening establishment candidates around him.

jazz music says

Now are there any more questions about what I am saying and why I say it?

Yes, why do you persist in failing to understand the difference between inventing and copying? At least two Users have pointed out to you at least two religions that predate the Bible. Christianity rejects a lot of the old Testament. Islam from its beginning included Hell as an intrinsic concept. Why do you persist in defending such madness?

curious2 says

At least two Users have pointed out to you at least two religions that predate the Bible.

But they don't predate God because Jesus is God.

Heraclitusstudent says

You can't revise the rules a posteriori.

Actually, the whole point of this thread is that the electors may in fact try to revise the rules a posteriori.

They didn't like the outcome, so they may change the conventional rule that the elector votes as his electorate directed him to.

Sure, it's not an official rule, but custom is certainly a kind of rule.

"Democracy, except when our side loses!"

Elections should only involve US citizens. The electoral college saved us from being overrun by illegals and voter fraud simply by allowing flyover states to have a bigger voice than would otherwise happen if we just went with the popular vote. Until you fix all that, you have NO RIGHT to argue that the electoral college should be banished.

just any guy says

Elections should only involve US citizens. The electoral college saved us from being overrun by illegals and voter fraud simply by allowing flyover states to have a bigger voice than would otherwise happen if we just went with the popular vote. Until you fix all that, you have NO RIGHT to argue that the electoral college should be banished.

I'm sure you'll be interested to know that the recount in Nevada, which was one state where Trump and his supporters claimed huge voter fraud showed a difference of 15 votes. That's the state where a Pat.net poster claimed he saw truckloads of illegals transported to the polls.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/nevada-recount-results-final-totals-wisconsin-latest-update-numbers-clinton-trump-de-la-fuente-laws-rules/

"According to a press release from the Nevada Secretary of State’s Office on the evening of December 8, the Nevada recount found these changes:

Hillary Clinton lost 9 votes.
Donald Trump lost 6 votes."

Yuuuuuge voter fraud. Bigly.

Channeling Trump*

Let me tell you something, it's not going to happen. Believe me.

jazz music says

Your reference says that "Zoroastrian hell" is temporary, that makes it different.

I'm a fan of Zoroastrianism for that reason and others. Pity it has almost died out, except for persecuted remnants in Iran and an extremely wealthy micro-minority in India (the Parsis).

jazz music says

You are prone to highly charged accusations. Explain why.

jazz music says

Perhaps your understanding is quite different from that.

This gets to the point of my previous statement about the origin of hell.

Q.E.D.you are not getting trolled.

This whole exchange is off topic but I can't understand why you persist in failing to distinguish between inventing and copying. You keep saying that Islam started later than Christianity, as if that were something known only to you. Islam was fabricated by the charlatan mohamed, who was not even born until centuries after Christianity had started. That does not change the facts that (a) hell was intrinsic to Islam from the time of mohamed, (b) Christians did not invent hell, (c) Christians rejected a lot of the Old Testament. These are obvious and uncontroversial facts that anyone can see from reading the texts that each group holds sacred. You call them highly charged accusations, and then you copy and paste Wikipedia for some reason, even though it doesn't even say what you say. Here's a thought: if you want Wikipedia to say what you say, you can go and edit it, and then copy and paste; at least then, your reference will match your comment.

If you are not trolling, then perhaps I can help you. The Wright Brothers invented the airplane, or more specifically they invented powered flight with steering. They demonstrated their invention in France, flying figure-eights over the crowd. Nobody had ever seen anything like that before. That is what inventing looks like. Airbus has made airplanes since it began, and they have even added some innovations to the underlying invention, but Airbus did not invent the airplane. I hope that helps you.

Similarly, Islam included hell from the time of Mohamed, and tends to bring hell on earth, in ways that go far beyond any other religion. Early Christians rejected a lot of the Old Testament, and different Christians have different beliefs about whether hell exists, but none of them invented it. I hope that's clear enough for you. Your accusing Christians of supposedly inventing hell was false, as was your accusing me of saying so; if anyone has made highly charged accusations here, I think that would be you.

joeyjojojunior says

I'm sure you'll be interested to know that the recount in Nevada, which was one state where Trump and his supporters claimed huge voter fraud showed a difference of 15 votes. That's the state where a Pat.net poster claimed he saw truckloads of illegals transported to the polls.

OMG! The results of one state have to mean that all other states are similar, and a Pat.net user said it wasn't so. Your deductive reasoning skills are unmatched.

Let's just see here: which sorts of governments sustain the most productive and happy populations? Is it the small coalition governments of the elites? Or is it the large coalition governments of the people? Talk the people down all you want, but they are fairly good at creating their own governments. Small coalition governments around the world and throughout history have been oppressive, short sighted, wasteful, and selfishly opportunistic at the expense of the electorate. History is clear: elites govern horribly, while the "stupid" people of the land govern much more wisely.
Get on the right side of history iwRoNg!

Logan Mohtashami says

Benjamin Bowler?

No Logan, it is Chris Whalen, who showed the housing bubble was a premeditated scam.

Gary Anderson says

Chris Whalen,

Chris is the one in the middle we have been friends for some time now

Logan Mohtashami says

Indiana Jones says

Logan Mohtashami For President 2020!

The man on the left wouldn't be an economic adviser, even though I know some of you love him

The middle guy is Chris Whalen: http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-whalen-urges-the-us-to-default-2011-4

Isn't the guy next to him David Stockman?

Gary Anderson says

Chris Whalen

He is a really funny guy, The next time I go out to New York and visit a few people, he would be one for sure

Gary Anderson says

Chris Whalen

He was at the last economic conference I spoke at. I am speaking at the CAR conference in Late Jan. I doubt he would be there but we are both going back to Texas next year for the Americatalyst

Why don't you guys hook your blogs up to Talkmarkets? https://goo.gl/Gohukb Could be an opportunity down the road.

Gary Anderson says

Why don't you guys hook your blogs up to Talkmarkets?

Everyone should go their own path. Each person has their own company's and a lot peopled are tied to their investment thesis Teaming up in the blogging world I don't think is ever a good idea.

Plus I think it's very important that many different people have their own set economic narratives that they want to discuss without anyone else being part of that equation.

2017 Should be a fun year in economics, I can't wait... and end this thread for good once I finish my 2017 Economic and Housing Prediction article

Logan Mohtashami says

Plus I think it's very important that many different people have their own set economic narratives that they want to discuss without anyone else being part of that equation.

Oh a loner huh? :) Just kidding. So, what do you think about the theory that wage percentage of GDP being in decline continually will become a danger to the nation? Effective demand shows that this is happening.

Additionally, North Carolina's State Board of Elections also performed a recent audit that out of 10,000 voter citizenship cases they looked into, over 14% were likely non-citizens.

Sorry bud, the evidence is there

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Let's see. He's not President yet.

I don't now if I need to see anymore. He is bringing Russian oligarchy model to US.

Gary Anderson says

Effective demand shows that this is happening.

Our consumption is fine, but as always I adjust everything to demographics and older people don't spend like they did when they're were younger.

This one is for you bears

just any guy says

MG! The results of one state have to mean that all other states are similar, and a Pat.net user said it wasn't so. Your deductive reasoning skills are unmatched.

So, let's see here. You're quote theoretical studies on potential voter fraud and think it's better evidence than an ACTUAL examination of votes and voters in the state that YOU and other voter fraud activists said was among the WORST offenders.

One of the WORST states showed exactly 3 votes difference. How can you explain this???

The green line shows the business cycle ended in Dec 2014.

Quote from the study "A significant number of voters who were not citizens cast illegal ballots in U.S. elections".

What part of that do you all not understand? The "may" part of it was whether it tipped the election toward Obama. The fact that illegals voted was undisputed by your precious left wing institution

just any guy says

can't have a debate with people who have already made up their mind and don't let facts or data or fucking common sense change that. Waste of my time...moving on.

You mean like actual recounts of actual votes and actual voters? The ones that never find any significant voter fraud?

Gary Anderson says

The green line shows the business cycle ended in Dec 2014.

This was the big whiff of the cycle

We call this the theory of the PMI bears... recession callers of 2015 and 2016 that low gas prices was going to created the next recession.

Because the lack of context with real time economics, this old model wasn't going to work in this cycle because this was primarily a strong dollar play not in a recessionary trend.

PMI bears of 2015 and 2016 will go down in history as one of the worst economic calls we might have seen in the last 100 years of economics.

This is why people need to verse themselves in more modern day economic trends

In the past when manufacturing was in a recession and yes it has been in a recession the U.S. was in one but that was more due to domestic demand curve economics not a strong dollar taking oil out play

We need to educate people more this and hence why I wanted to explain that in my recent Trump Manufacturing Article on how world trade PMI works

https://loganmohtashami.com/2016/12/09/manufacturing-under-president-donald-trump/

Threat levels if you're a Democrat

Obama just passed the worst legislation in the history of the planet, written by the evil Heritage Foundation: yay this is so good i have no clue why, I can't explain my reasons, but it has Obamas name on it! Just has to be good!!!

Wikileaks exposes that the DNC rigs the primary to defeat an extremely popular leftist, running on the best platform in the history of this country: OH MUH GAWD CAN WE DRONE STRIKE ASSANGE?!

No, he didn't

Yes, he did

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You mean the Democratic party picked the candidate? You know in the old days primaries didn't even exist right?

Yup. How is that supposed to be a response to what I said?

You're the dumbest motherfucker I know.

Everytime the Liberals get caught with their dicks in the dog they go blamming Russia and Trump.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/exclusive-dhs-admits-georgia-hack-may-inside-job/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/12/09/washington-post-cia-report-russia-intervened-election/95230696/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/10/rnc-spokesman-slams-wp-nyt-report-the-russians-never-hacked-us-video/

Now this next one I hope is true

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/741960/russia-angela-merkel-germany-election-cyber-attack-plot-us-official-cia