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Ironman says

There's this thing called FACTS and PROOF...

Got any????

HIllary said so and Obama agreed.
That's their proof pathological liars and cheats.

For some reason I'm less concerned about Russians than I am with Washington Liberals.
You fuckers are the ones that pushed the Russian Reset, remember?

It has been reset give it a rest assholes. Russians are great until they fuck up as bad as Obama.
Putin didn't sell me health insurance that I can't afford, not does he tax me if don't buy it.
I think Putin loves more than Obama.

What do you think of THAT!?

just any guy says

How did Russia manipulate the election?

It must be true even though no one has read a copy of any proof.
america's pandemic: Stupidity.
Anyone! Please post any link from the NSA,CIA,FBI to any facts about Russia.
How many lies,over many administrations, has the govt. told the american people?
Bigger question: How many voters believe crap,without evidence?
I only believe campaign promises!

Tenpoundbass says

What do you think of THAT!?

I think you are not thinking & making a futile attempt at trolling.

I for one would much rather see nuclear war with Russia in Syria and other places than to trade in oil and other commodities.

There was no opinion added to the leaked information. It just was what it was, and it made the establishment look terrible. I love that. If it had been naked pics or someone's unrelated personal life details, I would be vehemently against it regardless of whether it's someone I disagree with politically. The info leaked needed to be for the good of the country and world to see how corrupt our system really is. It's that simple...no need to overcomplicate it.

Logan Mohtashami says

Who in the fuck is going to pay taxes in US

My bad I forgot to give you the data on who pays the taxes in the U.S.

https://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/economic-synopses/2016/11/04/a-closer-look-at-federal-income-taxes/?&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SM&utm_term=fiscal&utm_content=pub&utm_campaign=6250_3

http://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2016/12/a-thousand-lehmans-event-is-going-to.html

In the aftermath of what has been a wild couple of weeks of trading, today a former associate of George Soros told King World News that “A thousand Lehmans” event is going to plunge the world into total chaos.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/half-of-americans-are-shut-off-from-economic-growth/

Even after accounting for the occasional recession and slowdown, America’s economy has greatly expanded since the days of disco.  Despite that growth, however, half of Americans have failed to share in the country’s economic gains since the 1970s, with roughly 117 million American adults living on income that’s stagnated at about $16,200 per year before taxes and transfer payments, according to new research from economists Thomas Piketty, Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman.

Logan Mohtashami says

PMI bears of 2015 and 2016 will go down in history as one of the worst economic calls we might have seen in the last 100 years of economics.

This is why people need to verse themselves in more modern day economic trends

If low gas prices correlate to a strong dollar we are screwed in manufacturing. I would say that recession call is still on. Now, The Fed can delay recessions. One more question, Logan. I believe it is possible that higher rates will lead to more bank lending, eventually. But getting from here to there is a problem. You must be a strong NeoFisherian. Not saying it won't work, but:

More job creation rests on people unemployed in the shadow stats becoming ready for the work force. There is a lid on growth if that doesn't happen and if labor does not get a bigger share. Sure the Fed can rope a dope. But not forever. Only with helicopter money can they really stop a serious recession so close to the zero bound, IMO.

HEY YOU says

http://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2016/12/a-thousand-lehmans-event-is-going-to.html

In the aftermath of what has been a wild couple of weeks of trading, today a former associate of George Soros told King World News that “A thousand Lehmans” event is going to plunge the world into total chaos.

Here is a problem, apparently Trump thinks about writing off the debt too. That will plunge the world into depression. And the problem is, we won't come out of it like those son of a bitch libertarians think we will.

marcus says

Except for Reuters and all other news outlets reporting that the CIA has confirmed this.

oh well then, it must be true...was it verified by brian williams and whoopi too?

komputodo says

oh well then, it must be true...was it verified by brian williams and whoopi too?

Idiot. You're using a computer and the internet to type your stupid trolls. If you wanted to, you could spend 20 seconds checking.

Here, first view this.
www.youtube.com/embed/OAYwqEbF7Z0

Then maybe this will bring you up to date
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-fg-trump-cia-20161210-story.html

marcus says

Then maybe this will bring you up to date

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-fg-trump-cia-20161210-story.html

Ironman says

Plus, I can't read that article, it's being blocked

CAn't follow instructions on how to turn adblock off (just for that site) ? Yeah, that is difficult.

marcus says

Idiot. You're using a computer and the internet to type your stupid trolls. If you wanted to, you could spend 20 seconds checking.

Is it trolling to ask you to speculate on what possible form of hacking could the russians use to manipulate the election?

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Exactly what the kind of person to warm up US-Russian relations,hopefully an alliance one day. The more we disempower OPEC, the better things are. In the long term we'll be needing Russia to contain China, so let's get started today.

And India as well

Trump Allies Brush of CIA Report of Russia Hand In Election

Tensions erupt between Trump and the CIA over Russia's hacking during the 2016 campaign

Trump team challenges intel on Russian election influence

"Donald Trump's presidential transition team on Saturday challenged the veracity of U.S. intelligence assessments that Russia was trying to tip the November election to the Republican."

Read that. That says a political transition team challenges US intelligence on what Russia was doing. Incredible. That's some really dumb politics in action right there.

This incoming administration will prove that it cares only about dollars and the appearance of winning. This will be the junk food image of what America is supposed to be. Sad.

komputodo says

Is it trolling to ask you to speculate on what possible form of hacking could the russians use to manipulate the election?

I was referring to this.

komputodo says

marcus says

Except for Reuters and all other news outlets reporting that the CIA has confirmed this.

oh well then, it must be true...was it verified by brian williams and whoopi too?

Rew says

This will be the junk food image of what America is supposed to be. Sad.

Yep. it's a new low indeed. I heard a supposed put down of what total idiots liberals that criticize Trump are, and it said that the cure would be making us wear Make America Great Again Hats. I guess if you don't have any logical defense of what you see happening, you might as well argue that we're just doodoo heads that need to put on a MAGA cap and STFU.

MMR says

Let the Germans side with isis to get their oil;

You spew some world class nonsense. Germany doesn't buy ISIS oil.

Bbbbbut Russia! Red menace!

Logan, Edward Lambert destroys the idea of Says law and that supply creates demand. He does so by mathematically showing that demand establishes its own supply. At the point in which demand no longer is fed by profits from GDP, effective demand puts a wall to growth. Lambert puts it this way:

Keynes described effective demand as a point where the aggregate demand function and the aggregate supply function intersect, but where the aggregate demand function effectively limits aggregate supply. This point can keep utilization of labor and capital from reaching full-employment. This concept contradicts Say's law that says "supply creates its own demand". Effective demand rather says "demand ultimately creates its own supply". Effective demand ultimately determines the full utilization of labor and capital in a business cycle.

And we know by the shadow stats that full employment is not being reached. http://effectivedemand.typepad.com/ed/synopsis-of-the-effective-demand-research.html

Anyone who thinks the real unemployment rate is 5 percent or lower is off his rocker. Now, we had GDP certain quarters that grew less than 1 percent. The Fed rope a doped to keep it above negative GDP. So, technically we were in the beginning of recession.

We may have a dead cat bounce, or there is more aggregate demand, I don't know. Lambert will have more figures soon.

Gary Anderson says

If low gas prices correlate to a strong dollar we are screwed in manufacturing

The problem always with the PMI bears is that they thought manufacturing was the main driver of the U.S. economy ....

It's a legit thesis that the strong dollar and oil/commodity crash impacted jobs.... 200K-300K jobs all together, oil states got hit it did nothing to unemployment claims and we have over 165 Million working, retail sales cycle highs, home sales cycle highs, employment cycle highs, incomes cycle highs

Wrong decade for the PMI bears to make this claim

Gary Anderson says

And we know by the shadow stats that full employment is not being reached

Shadow stats is a fraud it implies that 47 Million jobs were lost in 2 years and no jobs were created. It's one of the single worst things I have ever seen in my life

Shadow stats are soo bad, I use it now as an example of why the U.S. really needs to teach Math better not only to kids under the ages of 24 but to adults as well.

Gary Anderson says

The Fed rope a doped to keep it above negative GDP

Total consumer credit outstanding rose in October to $3.73 trillion http://bit.ly/2har8KS

Democrats are making the same mistake Republicans made, by claims the future will be death and no glory leaving a bar low for Trump to have a decent 4 years.

Commercial and industrial loans at all banks decline by $1.6 billion in a week to $2.098 trillion http://bit.ly/2hvgSfe

The biggest under performer in this economic cycle has been housing and as I have documented for years, that should have been excepted

Rew says

MMR says

Let the Germans side with isis to get their oil;

You spew some world class nonsense. Germany doesn't buy ISIS oil.

Turkey does. It's a back stabbing country. We should kick it out of NATO.

Gary Anderson says

The choice of Secretary of State will send a clear message that the United States will very likely side with Russia

Or maybe just that we are backing off from the relentless, bellicose, antagonism of the neocon era.

You just gave the Secretary of State position to a guy with EXTENSIVE ties to Russian oil interests and who is actually CURRENTLY the CEO of Exxon Mobile. He's not even retired.

But watch out for those libruls!!!! Gonna get ya!!

It's clearly worse than kowtowing to Saudi Arabia
Rew says

You spew some world class nonsense. Germany doesn't buy ISIS oil.

I didn't say Germany bought isis oil....I said they can as an alternative....reading comprehension issues again?

MMR says

WTF, it's good for UK, France and Germany to talk out of both sides of mouth; wouldn't want you know who to start agitating in the streets

Exactly. And the US Deep State and MIC is happy, because the status quo of European Dependence on the US to meddle in the MENA, antagonize and unbalance Russia, and guard Europe with it's Military and esp. Nukes and Missile Shield, means more US Power.

They don't care about the taxes, and if the public complains, just run some Fake News about an unnamed source saying the Russians hacked the election or put out Fake News via Channels that maybe 3% of the US Population consume with any regularity. Have some PR guy in the CIA/NSA/Pentagon call up a lazy WaPo reporter and act as a "highly placed inside Intelligence source"

Nor do they care about constant warfare because they profit directly from it, their kids are also MIC workers exempt from the unlikely in any case Draft, and if there was one they'd use their pull to make their kids JAGs drafting wills in Anniston or Columbia for the war bound draftees sent abroad.

It's interesting that we never use our leverage in Europe to get Trade Concessions, eh?

Ten bucks says any guy will come back in a week or two on another thread talking about all the voter fraud. Pretending like he never saw all the data on this thread proving no such fraud exists.

The following are not supported by the top three hits on google for Strawman:

* Strawmen can't be questions (although your very own example started with a question)
* Strawmen must to be something that both sides agree on.

If a Creationist debates an Evolutionist at a University, and says "So, you're saying we're all descended from gorillas, huh?"
Do you think there is agreement on both sides that this is the case?

Do you not think that is a strawman argument?

It's teh Russians!

Everybody is hacked. Where have you been?

Patrick = Petrov. He is Putin's son-in-law, you dupes!