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Ironman says

mell says

then the Dems would be finished for quite a while to come.

They've been finished, unfortunately they haven't woken up to that FACT yet. The data in the OP should have been a wake-up call along with the popularity of Sanders and Trump. The Dems are asleep at the wheel.

Yep, Corbyn pulled the same shit in the UK as the Dems did back in 2009-2010

He won the Labour Election for his Economic and Non-Intervention talk. Then he started pushing Left Wing Culture Causes first and foremost and mucked about with how many minorities he could put in his shadow cabinet.

This is exactly why the US Dems were swept out in 2010 as soon as they were swept in in 2008. People wanted their jobs back and banks disciplined, not Lilly Ledbetter Womyn's Paycheck Lawsuit Expansion, not Americorps Fluffly Nonsense, not more new Restrictive Federal Gun Show Laws, not toothless reform with all the tough parts stricken by bankster friendly Clintonista-aligned leadership.

Look what Obama is doing now - all Culture War crap to fire up the base - while turning off people who don't think the Keffiyeh is cool.

BOYCOTT ALL Rep/Con/Tea/Alt-Right/Neo-Nazis!
Make the WHITE TRASH PAY!
Trolls can do nothing about it.

HEY YOU says

Make the WHITE TRASH PAY!

Hey, that "deplorable" stance won you all those seats and the White House in 2016. Sounds like a winning strategy. Maybe try it again.

Well, I guess that could be John Goodman on a good day...

Macropodia says

Well, I guess that could be John Goodman on a good day

Looks like Trigglypuff after an attempt to go up a fight of stairs.

ID HIT IT

TAKE THAT RIN!

Fucking White Male says

ID HIT IT

I admire your courage.

Trigglypuff giving birth to a huge, steaming burrito turd.

Fucking White Male says

ID HIT IT

As in "hit it" or just punch it with your arm?

When your wife says "no" to you for the 25,000th time and you are a john goodman lookalike with no hope for finding another blind bride...well, to paraphrase Reggie Hammond, 'Lack of pussy make you whine! Man!'...

anonymous says

she felt very strongly you had more than a passing interest in this, whether the result of a personal matter or that of a family member.

Sad state of affairs!

How many times did mother jones refer to Obama or Clinton as an idiot?

mother jones is a dyke tranny...

7. Thank Russia!

it's not like they hacked the Pentagon. If they did it, they phished Podesta's DNC account, downloaded emails, and released ones that showed him and his ilk to be the corrupt monsters that they are.

Whoop de freaking do!

We don't like Killary anyway and we are glad her campaign went down in flames. She was the absolute worst person for the job and America dodged a bullet when she wasn't elected President. Hell, the way she talked and raged, we may have dodged a few thousand nuclear warheads!
War with the other nuclear superpower in the world is and should always be out of the question. Conflict like that goes beyond destruction and politics and power. It's an extinction level event.

Any other option must be pursued before the one that would wipe our species from the face of a radioactive and uninhabitable planet Earth.

You hear that, duck????

Any option! Any politician who even hints that nuclear war might be an acceptable solution to a POLITICAL problem is INSANE and must not be allowed such power!

FUCK! I thought this shit was obvious, but apparently some people are too ignorant to understand that you can't blow up the world and then win!
What the actual FUCK?!

Usually in these circumstances the US government actually lists IPs and where they were tracked to, they have logs and packets to offer up as proof.
The only thing Obama has offered is ill-timed triggered crybaby accusations.

And if it is true that Putin ratted Hillary, the DNC and Obama out to the American voters, then we owe him one flattering statue, in the appropriate halls where other American hero statues are erected.

7. Something else

-Train our bumbling apparatchiks basic internet hygiene and then hold THEM accountable.
-Learn something about diplomacy from Putin, he is running circles around us.

How about all the fuckheads that haven't read any of the alphabet soup govt. agencies reports on Russian hacking, post a link to them
I be glad to read the evidence.
I have read all the reports that prove that IRAQ HAS WMD.

He saved us from a Muslim American hating Kenyan on going legacy.

In the scheme of things, this is a better pay off.

Three.

Denier in chief will opt for five.

Valuable to recall that the US has interfered in foreign elections as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon. Most recently in Russia’s backyard.

I'm glad Trump came along, Dan makes sense now.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Obama has been the most anti-Whistlerblower President in US History; Hillary would be even worse.

Yeah, thank goodness we have an upgrade to a President that's okay with Russia (maybe successfully) influencing our elections.

Gosh, could it be that Trump doesn't want to condemn Russian efforts to illegally influence our elections becasue he is the one they helped elect ?

Probably just a coincidence that all of those arguing that it was okay for Russia to use stolen info to influence our elections happen to be happy that Trump won.

If they had any integrity or intellectual honesty, they would say they are glad Trump won, but that at the same time they are not okay with Russian government meddling in our elections. There are some republicans that have taken that position. Who knows, maybe those are republicans that privately would have strongly preferred Hillary as President.

We should reward Russia for their investigative journalism by removing all sanctions and promoting trade deals on a massive scale. Both our countries have much to gain from trade. Then we should make agreements on world security, response measures to Islam, etc. Finally, we should agree to construct an inter-continental bridge from Alaska to Siberia and construction of a connected highway that will make it possible to drive from Chile to Zimbabwe.
THAT'S how far we should go to improve Russian relations!

.......But when russians spy it is intolerable because that's the narrative that the MSM wants to push. Social media is making it harder for MSM to push half-truths

Quigley says

promoting trade deals on a massive scale

So while Trump works on undoing globalization, we should increase globalization with respect to Russia ? I guess that's based on the idea that they won't undercut us on labor costs ?

I'm pretty sure the irony involved in defending Russia is lost on all the people whose biggest beef with Hillary was that she's corrupt and supposedly thinks she's above the law

PCGyver says

The DNC is not a government agency. They should have spent a little bit of their money on cyber security. And Podesta is a dumbass for falling for a phishing scam.

Their security was a joke. They haughtily turned down FBI offers to assist with hardening and monitoring their IT - probably because they feared leaks from the FBI more than any thing else at the time.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/fbi-warned-clinton-campaign-hack-attempts-last-spring-n620361
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/democratic-convention-dnc-emails-russia/

marcus says

So while Trump works on undoing Globalization, we should increase globalization with respect to Russia ?

So when the King Of England sends envoys on the Status of Calais or to arrange the marriage of children with the King of France, that was Globalization?

Or just ordinary Diplomacy practiced since the Bronze Age?

I know one thing a President traditionally does not do during their last days in office, and that is make substantial foreign policy moves.

Remember, America was founded on a violent, criminal revolution that violated many laws. It was not legal for the American colonists to revolt against their government, the British Empire. To argue that the law must always be upheld is to argue that our nation should not have been founded.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

So when the King Of England sends envoys on the Status of Calais or to arrange the marriage of children with the King of France, that was Globalization?

I have no idea what you're talking about. Many argue against trade deals they don't begin to understand, because it's more globalization. For many months you and others argued that Trump is awesome, in spite of his obvious personality and character flaws because he promises to magically undo the consequences of globalization. Then Quigley says we need to promote massive trade deals with Russia as a reward of us supposedly taking the neoliberal elites out of power.

That was the context of my comment.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

that is make substantial foreign policy moves.

YOu mean like not vetoing the UN on something ? Some would say doing the veto would have been a more significant foriegn policy move.

But speaking of norms, the President elect is supposed to realize that there is only one President at a time, and keep a low profile relative to international affairs until after he is inaugurated. But not Trump. He has an image of not having any class and being an idiot to uphold.

Dan8267 says

Remember, America was founded on a violent, criminal revolution that violated many laws. It was not legal for the American colonists to revolt against their government, the British Empire. To argue that the law must always be upheld is to argue that our nation should not have been founded.

There's only one excuse for rebellion against legitimate authority:

If you win :)

marcus says

YOu mean like not vetoing the UN on something ? Some would say doing the veto would have been a more significant foriegn policy move.

Not really, since we've veto'd pretty much every UNSC anti-Israel resolution (inevitably put forward by regimes far far far far more tyranical and genocidal human rights violators than Israel) since the 1967 "Land for Peace" resolution.

This is a major, major move and even the Legacy MSM can't dismiss this. You realize that most of the Dem leadership in the House and Senate is really pissed the fuck off about this? If just for political reasons.

marcus says

The President elect is supposed to realize that there is only one President at a time, and keep a low profile relative to international affairs until after he is innaugurated. But not Trump. He has an image of not having any class and being an idiot to uphold.

Sorry, that's not how it works. The outgoing President generally focuses on pardoning people on his way out, occasionally putting in some recess appointments and sneaking in an executive order or two on domestic issues sometimes.

Presidents have let forts be besieged by insurgents without Federal response, rather than commit the country to a course of action in the days before the President Elect takes the Oath.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Sorry, that's not how it works. The outgoing President generally focuses on pardoning people on his way out, occasionally putting in some recess appointments and sneaking in an executive order or two on domestic issues sometimes.

Wtf ?

I was arguing that Trump should be quiet about policy, other than talking about his transition, and cabinet appointments and so on. And sorry, that is how it works.

Somebody needs to cut Trump off from his twitter feed for a few weeks, for his own good.

marcus says

I was arguing that Trump should be quiet about policy, other than talking about his transition, and cabinet appointments and so on. And sorry, that is how it works.

Uh no. Speculation about the Cabinet, First Priorites, and the trickling of information from PEOTUS is an American Tradition. Do you remember 2008 at all? Or 1992? Or 1980?

It's also tradition that the Legacy Media gives the incoming POTUS the benefit of the doubt for the first few months of his term, but nobody expects the Oligarch Legacy Media to do that this time.

Now, do you deny that Obama has really dicked over Democrats in the House and Senate? It's funny, the SJWs think they won a victory, but the Top Dems are going to have to swing hard in support of Israel now with super-duper Pro-Israel legislation to re-establish their credibility..

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Uh no. Speculation about the Cabinet, First Priorites, and the trickling of information from PEOTUS is an American Tradition. Do you remember 2008 at all? Or 1992? Or 1980?

Apparently you don't. Aside from 1980, I can't imagine a President elect being this much of an idiot.

OBama's white house is doing what it can to help Trump with the transition, which is very necessary becasue they started so late. The least Trump could do is shut the fuck up, and be a little more circumspect.

Israel just got a massive arms deal from the U.S. THe U.S. has not lost any credibility. Even a huge segment of Isreali Jews have a problem with the ever expanding settlements, and a majority or Israelis are for a "2 state solution," which becomes less and less possible with the expansion of the settlements.

Word has it that Trump doesn't even know what the settlements are. I believe that.

Maybe Trump is not as stupid as I think, and he's taking suggestions from Kissenger or someone like Kissenger. It's smells like a bunch of PR that means nothing.

The only thing we know for sure is that Trump loves to read stories about himself in the newspaper more than any President in modern history.

marcus says

YOu mean like not vetoing the UN on something ? Some would say doing the veto would have been a more significant foriegn policy move.

There's more and more evidence to suggest Kerry and Rice collaborated with the Palestinians and Egyptians on writing the resolution in the first place.

marcus says

Israel just got a massive arms deal from the U.S. THe U.S. has not lost any credibility. Even a huge segment of Isreali Jews have a problem with the ever expanding settlements, and a majority or Israelis are for a "2 state solution," which becomes less and less possible with the expansion of the settlements.

Who has the power of the purse? That's Congress - and there are Dems backing that as well.

Obama has actually been the greatest Arms dealer since the Cold War. Something like $300B, including to Wahabi State Sponsors of Terror like Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

The abstention on this vote broke about half a century of US Foreign Policy, at the tail end of a lame duck outgoing President's Term.

And he not only can claim it's okay because Congress is against such a move, he can't even claim it's okay as his own party was both shocked and opposed his radical shift.

The Senate Minority Leader, the House Minority Leader, the Minority Whip and the majority of all Democrats opposed Obama's decision. Nor apparently did he consult them beforehand.

It was literally an unprecedented AND totally unsupported move. Unilateral "to the max".