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The problem in Berkeley comes down to this: way too much free time for young people who don't have to work for a living.

There's nothing in those videos that is worth getting particularly worked up about. Some slightly hot under the collar students who look like they wouldn't say boo to a goose. I'm sure some bad things happened there, but those 2 videos are hardly damning stuff.
I see ten times worse going down to the pub on a Friday night in England.

Rashomon says

I see ten times worse going down to the pub on a Friday night in England.

Except this is political violence, not a bunch of guys picking a fight for fun.

Should we normalize political violence?

T L Lipsovich says

Except this is political violence, not a bunch of guys picking a fight for fun.

Should we normalize political violence?

No. Should those 2 videos be made out to be more than they actually are? No.

Rashomon says

I see ten times worse going down to the pub on a Friday night in England.

I had lived most of my life in the South.
California is nothing compared to some of the fights I saw when a bunch of Drunk Redneck White Trash
get pissed. Family members,brothers,cousins,fathers & sons draw blood.
Conservatives keeping it in the family.
ENTERTAINING!

SKEET all over his face.
Should have swallowed.

We FILTH MOUTHS should be banned!
One of us doesn't give a F_ _ K.

I've never voted for a republican president. Today's left is quickly making me support Trump 2020

Rashomon says

look at what happened at Trump rallies,

The violence at Trump rallies as well as all the political violence in this cycle, has been committed by today's left. People like you are turning people like me into Trump supporters.

big·ot·ry
ˈbiɡətrē/
noun
intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

You fucking nazis

CBOEtrader says

The violence at Trump rallies as well as all the political violence in this cycle, has been committed by today's left. People like you are turning people like me into Trump supporters.

Using that (low) level of reasoning, presumably I could then say that Milo and his supporters were the cause of the violence at Berkeley (and before you respond, please take note that (unlike you presumably) I don't think that).

The problem in Berkeley comes down to...

Liberal White Privilege.

The only good Republican is a bankrupt Republican.
BOYCOTT ALL Republicans!

Once that guy turns 30 he‘ll marry blondie and move into his rich little suburb, take the six figure job in daddy's company, and put his two daughters in the very liberal and progressive, yet strangely all-white, grade schools.

All that radical minority stuff will be sooooo 2017!

What's with these red and black flags?

FP says

What's with these red and black flags?

Anarchism. Durrutti would have beat these kids senseless.

If only Goldman or Lenin were alive today to see this shit... Stalin would have an apolyptic fit: "FUCKING COSMOPOLITAN LEFT COMMUNIST RUBBISH. Beria, one bullet each!"

TL gets it!

Dan, did you go to FAU that you are so bitter about Berkeley? They (FAU) have a few smart cosmology guys on the faculty, but the students are crap.

Rashomon says

This is the age we live in. There's no nuance anymore. Little debate. Even less reasoned argument. It's simply people glued to their self-reinforcing go to internet sites of often ill-informed or totally biased information, and that's what they cleave to no matter what alternative information they are exposed to. This is how you end up with Trump. People aren't bothered about complex issues. They don't read widely. They want to be amused. They want bite-sized info, sound bites they can latch on to. We are walking off the edge of a cliff not because of branches of the liberal movement or the alt-right, but because people aren't informed and don't care to be - too many are happy to be led no matter what they're told as they simply aren't paying enough attention.

It's always been this way. It's the 1950-1995 era that was the exception, when you had general media consolidation and pretty broad agreement between the two parties on just about everything from the Cold War to Civil Rights. Before that it was extremely vicious, more vicious than today, and largely a battle between some areas of the country vs. others.

T L Lipsovich says

It's always been this way. It's the 1950-1995 era that was the exception, when you had general media consolidation and pretty broad agreement between the two parties on just about everything from the Cold War to Civil Rights. Before that it was extremely vicious, more vicious than today, and largely a battle between some areas of the country vs. others.

It hasn't always been this way. Look at what the papers were and are now. Look at the kind of programs on TV compared to what went before. Look at the amount of books being read. Look at the level of debates this time around and what went before. Look at how egotistical people have become. How fixated on things people are. How short attention spans are. How people are more and more sedated by technology - it hasn't opened minds, it's narrowed perspectives. And on and on it goes.

Rashomon says

It hasn't always been this way. Look at what the papers were and are now. Look at the kind of programs on TV compared to what went before. Look at the amount of books being read. Look at the level of debates this time around and what went before. Look at how egotistical people have become. How fixated on things people are. How short attention spans are. How people are more and more sedated by technology - it hasn't opened minds, it's narrowed perspectives. And on and on it goes.

It hasn't been this way during most of your lifetime. It was this way before WW2, maybe before the New Deal.

You see any actual Communist dailies, run by actual adults and not pink haired kids and a couple of super-scruffy English Lit professors? Socialist Ones? Ultranationalist ones?

The Corporate News (including PBS and NPR) have a globalist capitalist free market, no borders (except for Pharma imports and knock-offs of famous brands like Disney) mindset. Formerly they were modern liberal, but now they are not. They're losing their monopoly on the public mind and getting all upset about it. So the Legacy Media are making doomsday predictions on what will happen if we cut them out as the Middleman.

Let 1000 flowers bloom. Smash the dominant paradigm. Question Authority.

This is the same shit that happened before: Many of the people in the "Free speech fights" became Authoritarian Social Justice Warriors when they realized their ideas weren't being adopted readily.

Rashomon says

Look at what the papers were and are now

See Jackson vs. Adams. Douglas vs. Lincoln. Garfield vs. Blaine.

Goddamn Rum, Romanism, and Revolution, those Fenian Raiding Irish sons of bitches in service to the anti-Christ in Rome!!!

T L Lipsovich says

It hasn't been this way during most of your lifetime. It was this way before WW2, maybe before the New Deal.

You see any actual Communist dailies, run by actual adults and not pink haired kids and a couple of super-scruffy English Lit professors? Socialist Ones? Ultranationalist ones?

Yeah sure, you can pick different countries or go back some random distant time. I think it's pretty obvious what the changes are that I'm referring to. This is recent history - the substantial changes that have occurred in say just the last quarter of a century, for example.

T L Lipsovich says

They're losing their monopoly on the public mind and getting all upset about it. So the Legacy Media are making doomsday predictions on what will happen if we cut them out as the Middleman.

Replaced by shouty opinion or copy and (almost) pasted (and then slanted) articles rather than well-funded journalism most likely, seeing as it has already been happening for some time. The decline of major newspapers isn't a good thing when all they are replaced by are the sort of 'news' websites we see today whether they be Breitbart, Huffington Post or whatever else takes your fancy.

Rashomon says

Replaced by shouty opinion rather than well-funded journalism most likely.

Maybe, but with a thimbleful of effort you can get opinions from among a huge range of biases + the international press.

In the old days you had to go to a major city or university library and spend all day hunting down microfiche records to find alternative opinions.

Rashomon says

Yeah sure, you can pick different countries or go back some random distant time. I think it's pretty obvious what the changes are that I'm referring to. This is recent history - the substantial changes that have occurred in say just the last quarter of a century, for example.

The US has had two full centuries. The 19th and the 20th. The entire 19th and most of the 20th was vociferous, snarling competing multiple daily newspapers - often 3 major dailies in even a small city like Binghampton or Pittsburgh - with their own narratives.

The Consolidated, Multinational Corporate Oligarchical Media Empires of today did not exist.

It's a lot like Free Trade - a policy or situation is made out to be traditional and normal, when it's the exception to the rule. Normal and Traditional, from the 18th to late-mid 20th Century, is a largely across the board 20-35% Tariff on most foreign manufactures, sometimes even books and journals..

Word is the Mayor wanted the Cops to stand down entirely and didn't even want a thin screen of cops. Rumor that FBI might open civil rights investigation against Berkeley Mayor, but that would be too much to hope for.

More photos:

"Incitement" that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

And finally, a blast from the past with Sally Kohn

Good thing we have important middlemen in the Media to interpret the news for us. What would we do without their accurate instincts?

Update: Gavin McInnes attacked at NYU. Punching and Pepperspray.

Looks like more fun :

Gavin McInnes, a Scotch-Canadian former band member of punk band "Anal Cunt", former Vice reporter and now the face behind "The Rebel" Media, just got attacked by Antifa In NYC.

Another "White Racist", except unlike Gay Greek Jew Milo the BBC Lover, McInnes is married to an Indian lady.

Had these guys been around in the 50s or 60s, they would have been called degenerates by the New York Times itself.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/weekinreview/1963-homosexuality-article.pdf

Today, they're Nazi White Supremacist Fascists.

Ironman says

Do you really need to spend 5x as much just to surf Patnet, watch Youtube videos and update your Facebook status because you prefer "looks"??

If that's what you do with it then you don't need it...

But if you use apps you already have on your iPhone which have an iPad version of it, if you want to continue to text / message from it , if you continue to want seamless integration with all your computers, phones, watches, if you want your calendars, reminders, alarms all synced to every other device without any hassle - then maybe you do need an iPad.
Also, if you want to FaceTime rather then Skype the iPad is the only choice. And along those lines...if you do a lot of Skype/facetime calls you may want the 5MP camera over the 2MP camera. And if you take photos while on your iPad then its also a clear choice.

Apple and oranges those two products. Certainly not the same.

Ironman says

It's certainly YOUR choice to overpay for "looks", it's your money, but to a lot of people, that makes no sense.

I get it.

Only the gourmet appreciates a special meal at a gourmet restaurant and is willing to pay for it. Others should go to McDonalds. Both places will feed you (same function as you say).

Delinquent youth

Just bad people. Plain ol bad people.

Meh, you're overthinking all this democracy crap.

If Hillary won the electoral college vote but lost the popular vote, you might get some complaining but no campus burnings and beatings of people with shovels.

The loony alt left will burn things and hit people no matter what. There will always be some reason or excuse.

The burning and rioting remind me of the response to Charlie Hebdo cartoons by Muslims in Africa, Europe, and Asia. First, the office was burned and the website hacked. Then, the cartoonists were murdered, thousands of French websites were hacked, and Muslim rioters around the world joined in attacks against anyone French. Even years after a Danish newspaper published cartoons of Mohamed, the President of Sudan said, “We in Sudan declared mobilization against the Scandinavians after the publishing of the offensive cartoons of the prophet.” Basically, I have only ever seen one group react with such destructive violence to someone making fun of them: Muslims, because Sharia says to "defend Islam" by killing the blasphemers.

A European observer commented that the European left do not even pretend to be "liberal," saying only centrists call themselves liberal. The European left comprise Marxist communists (note the Soviet and black flags in the video), anarchists who somehow imagine themselves communists (perhaps believing that smashing the capitalist state would somehow pave the way for communism), and apparently Muslims (already heavily subsidized by government, they may expect additional redistribution of resources would tax small European families to support prolific Islamic birthrates). These rioters appear more in tune with that definition of "left", meaning neither liberal nor conservative. This version of "left" does not appear to share any particular vision of the future, but rather combines inherently conflicting ideologies into a united front to attack anyone perceived as "right" or liberal or otherwise an enemy of the "left".

If they were ever to gain power, I would expect loyalty purges and terror, and later Islamic rule resembling ISIL.

Rashomon says

CBOEtrader says

The violence at Trump rallies as well as all the political violence in this cycle, has been committed by today's left. People like you are turning people like me into Trump supporters.

Using that (low) level of reasoning, presumably I could then say that Milo and his supporters were the cause of the violence at Berkeley (and before you respond, please take note that (unlike you presumably) I don't think that).

Your logic is flawed. Shocking

thepaine says

If Hillary won the electoral college vote but lost the popular vote, you might get some complaining but no campus burnings and beatings of people with shovels.

So if hillary had won you are saying MIlo would have shut up his whining and disappeared? I doubt that.

T L Lipsovich says

Maybe, but with a thimbleful of effort you can get opinions from among a huge range of biases + the international press.

In the old days you had to go to a major city or university library and spend all day hunting down microfiche records to find alternative opinions.

Most people don't seek out alternative opinions. They reinforce the ones they've already got - something which is far easier to do these days.

Rashomon says

Most people don't seek out alternative opinions. They reinforce the ones they've already got - something which is far easier to do these days.

And even easier back then when all they had was the monochrome Media Oligarchy. Now accessing alternative opinions is easy; it might even happen accidentally.

T L Lipsovich says

And even easier back then when all they had was the monochrome Media Oligarchy. Now accessing alternative opinions is easy; it might even happen accidentally.

Except that doesn't seem to be happening. How many books are the young reading these days? How many long articles do they sit down and read? People have their go to sites. Get their bit of self-reinforcement, and then carry on with their day. If they were actually doing what you talk about, then that would be good. The evidence doesn't seem to point to it - too many people seem far more interested in social media and the like to pay close attention to what's happening around them.