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CBOEtrader says

CNN doesnt do this. That's why they are fake news.

I would think if this were true, you would be able to find a non Trump supporting person to agree with you ? Is it possible that what you're experiencing has more to do with your own bias ?

www.youtube.com/embed/IOS2o1gTvHE

Tons of non-trump supporters agree w me. I am a "non" Trump supporter.

marcus says

Is it possible that what you're experiencing has more to do with your own bias ?

Look in the mirror.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

The big question is if the rest of the Taj story will make it out of FinCEN archives and if there is any connection with the Kazakh and Russian mobs laundering enterprises.

This is why Lyndon Johnson wanted to become President and to have Kennedy dead. Kennedy was ready to shitcan Johnson and throw him to the dogs in his second term. Johnson would have been indicted and imprisoned for all of his previous corruption, but the Presidency sanctifies everything that came before through omission, intimidation, and black bag ops.

Somebody would have to catch Trump in something while actually holding office.

CBOEtrader says

Tons of non-trump supporters agree w me. I am a "non" Trump supporter.

Okay. Well the fact that CNN is there to make money is nothing new. Btw, I don't watch CNN or read it's website. But I know this trend in media is nothing new. I found that analysis really annoying for several reasons. He takes a legit commentary about the negative impact of social media as an indictment of the guy implying it is the only problem with how we get our news. Also, he repeatedly wants to make the point that CNN gave so much more attention to Trump than to Bernie. Hey at least the media is moving in the right direction of giving some attention to Bernie. I recall the media en mass not being willing to consider Rand PAul a legit candidate. In the case of Bernie, I believe that right or wrong it was believed impossible that he could win. Trump they also believed could not win, but that was entertainment.

So the guy found a couple small examples, like the guy saying that reading stolen emails was a crime, when it is and yet it isn't, becasue they are freely available. But back to this ? Interesting that repeating that example and I think one other trivial error was the best he could do.

CBOEtrader says

Easy.

1)Leave out your opinionated "again" part.

2)Offer the entire quote and video content.

3)Stop willfully misinterpreting Trump's every word.

4)Report the facts only and let your audience draw their own conclusions.

CNN doesnt do this. That's why they are fake news.

I believe that in the case of reporting on Trump, they NEVER need to inject their opinion to make him look bad. You're saying that they do is why I assumed you like Trump.

We know Trump exaggerates and is inconsistent with what he says. Honestly, I don't fucking care just as long as he blows up Washington and implements the major policies that may actually change our future for the better. We have no other alternatives now, so why fret over minutiae.

This last week must have been a low one for Trump lies, becasue I can't see that anyone is listing "the week in Trump lies" for this most recent week. But here's his first 100.

The First 100 Lies: The Trump Team’s Flurry Of Falsehoods
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-administration-lies-100_us_58ac7a0fe4b02a1e7dac3ca6

Yeah sure, just another President in a long line of politicians. "Typical politician." "Nothing to see here folks."

Yes, it's true many of his lies are exaggerations such as the ones about the standing ovation he didn't receive at the CIA (not that the abundance of this type of lie aren't disturbing). But many of them are important BS, like when he says the murder rate is the highest it's been in 46 years. The uptick is the highest in a similar period of time, but the actual rate is about half what it was 25 years ago.

THe big picture is that the murder rate has dropped an amazing amount. WE know Trump must know this, so why does he say such lies ? MY theory ? To troll the press, so that gullible fools (I won't name any names of people around here) will believe that the press is being mean to him and that he is justified in creating his own branch of the media that will be the ones entitled to cover him close up.

CBOEtrader says

Are you referring to talking wo a teleprompter for 90 minutes, only to have a point about "sweden last night" be willfully misinterpreted and used as fake news. Is that one of your "examples"?

How was that wilfully reported? "You look at what's happening last night in Sweden" is an obviously misleading claim, so how exactly do you suggest the media should respond to such a comment?

marcus says

So the guy found a couple small examples, like the guy saying that reading stolen emails was a crime, when it is and yet it isn't, becasue they are freely available.

Small example? The day a "news" organization spews out such dangerous, utterly false, grossly misleading and condescending bullshit is when they become fake news and need to be taken off the air.

marcus says

highest it's been in 46 years.

marcus says

uptick is the highest in a similar period

It makes me smile that you found the answer yourself.

Remember that trump speaks for 90 minutes w/o a teleprompter. If you try anyone can willfully misrepresent his underlying meaning. Ex:

Rashomon says

"You look at what's happening last night in Sweden" is an obviously misleading claim,

No. Its an ambiguous and poorly phrased reference the current trends in Sweden. He cleared that up when asked. See how easy that is?

Yelling about racism and lies is just childish way to stick your fingers in your ears. Everyone else sees through it.

CBOEtrader says

No. Its an ambiguous and poorly phrased reference the current trends in Sweden. He cleared that up when asked. See how easy that is?

And then Kek steps in and there's a riot in Sweden right after. It's almost as if the Cosmic Joker hates the Media.

"1: White House press secretary Sean Spicer falsely claimed the crowd on the National Mall was “largest audience to ever witness an inauguration.” (Jan. 21)

That's the first lie in your article?

I listened to Sean Spicer's statement. Its totally reasonable. This is a perfect and obvious misinterpretation.

Should I continue?

FP says

GFI

How is it different to GLD?

CBOEtrader says

"1: White House press secretary Sean Spicer falsely claimed the crowd on the National Mall was “largest audience to ever witness an inauguration.” (Jan. 21)

That's the first lie in your article?

I listened to Sean Spicer's statement. Its totally reasonable. This is a perfect and obvious misinterpretation.

Should I continue?

Also it is largely irrelevant, it was a big crowd alright. Who gives a shit if it was bigger than any or all of its predecessors? This has nothing to do with reporting news anymore, but looking for petty fights and misinterpretations everywhere. Lamestream media is losing it.

Forgotten Stories:

Obama’s Orwellian Image Control
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/12/opinion/obamas-orwellian-image-control.html

Obama’s Efforts to Control Media Are ‘Most Aggressive’ Since Nixon, Report Says
https://www.wired.com/2013/10/obama-nixon-media-war/

Whereas this is just retaliation for trifling basic bitch coverage of the Administration:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/321063-media-slams-limited-wh-press-access

rando says

OK, does it seem like a good move to buy silver now?

That's what I'm holding. I'll swap when the ratio dips. I go with physical because I like investments I control directly. Silver rounds or junk silver, premiums on investment coins always disappear before a market tops. Also, if you want to offload some of your investment unexpectedly, coins are much easier to exchange, liquidity is good.

But, I thought the media loved and was extremely biased towards Obama??

You mean they wrote negative stories about someone OTHER than Trump?

RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks says

owning precious metals is only better than leaving money in a saving account.

You give me an investment stock or real estate that didn't rely on an insider tip or deal, and I'll show you how much more you could have made if you had invested in silver or gold. What your fiat currency-centric mind doesn't understand is gold and silver have been outpacing inflation(the dollar) for nearly a decade. While every other paper investment has been saddled with the same loss.

You never adjust your profit for inflation!?

"Who gives a shit if it was bigger than any or all of its predecessors?"

Exactly! So why did Spicer make a point to say it at the press conference? Why did Trump tweet about it?

Who cares?

"If you try anyone can willfully misrepresent his underlying meaning"

You mean, anyone who listens can hear the blatant lies. There is no underlying meaning. He just lies on purpose because he knows that folks like you don't care.

I marked this as ad hominem to test the new feature.

SubOink says

How is it different to GLD?

higher volatility + has earnings

Who made that graph? If we ever get to points D and E, there will only be thermophillic bacteria left. Maybe, they could have shortened the Energy axis.

I really appreciate your discussions on sea ice extents and temperature. However, the antarctic ice set a record for maximum extent in 2014 and a minimum in 2017. It is certainly erratic as opposed to a steady trend. I think two reasons for this are that the antarctic is largely isolated by ocean currents, and the ice nearly completely melts each year, so while the amount left over varies greatly as a percentage of the average minimum extent (around 2M km2), it is small relative to the average maximum extent (20M km2). What is striking to me about this graph is not the trend of increasing or decreasing extent, but the trend of increasing amplitude of the changes. That is, the antarctic ice extent has been getting more erratic over the last 30 yrs. IDK if this is meaningful or not, or what the implications are.

CBOEtrader says

Still no source? or example of trump lying. Figures.

Are you actually trying to argue that Trump hasn't lied? Seriously?

Here's a video from The Guardian. Yes, yes, I know, it's not Breitbart, so it must be fake news, or whatever other line you might take. Why not just tell us what is inaccurate in the video?

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2017/feb/18/donald-trump-first-month-of-lies-video

And now, I've marked all Marcus posts ad hominem. It appears there is no judge of these things so he will have to deal with it.

AllTruth says

Not the first time Trump fucked an immigrant.

Your theory is that there is no more ice and hence no more heat sink, so the water has warmed and needs time to cool before forming new ice. This doesn't fit the data, though, as there are 2 million km^2 of ice still in the water.

Rashomon says

Are you actually trying to argue that Trump hasn't lied? Seriously?

No.

Which of your supposed "lies" in your video would you like to discuss?

I am suggesting the MSM turns misstatements, poor phrasing, and ambiguity into their own fake misinterpretation, then go into full hysteria attacking the fake representation.

Its fake news, over and over again.

The inauguration crowd size is the example to which I've already responded above. Trump said it looked like 1 million people, maybe 1.5, from where he stood. The CNN megapixel pic showing the POTUS POV did indeed look like a million people. After that Spicer makes a case that the total (including TV and digital) audience was the biggest ever. Neither of them lied, or even said anything unreasonable. Every shred of the hysteria calling Trump a liar is wasted energy, each hit story lowers the MSM a bit closer to complete joke status.

Heres Your Card says

CBOEtrader says

Trump is an obvious lying tyrant (he isnt).

He obviously is.

He's a tyrant because you say so? Wrong. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445185/trump-less-authoritarian-obama

Heres Your Card says

CBOEtrader says

The rest of us disagree

Heh, heh, that's a stupid thing to say. More than half the voting population disagrees with you and likely thinks you're an idiot.

My comment was about requiring facts as a jumping off point for a wild claim. I'd certainly hope more than just Trump supporters still believe in using facts.

Good thing they all started thinking about it now, after 7 years of bitching about it. I heard a Repugnican "leader" say they were going to meet with Doctors' groups, hospitals and so on to see what they thought. It never crossed their minds to do it when they were all talking about "Repeal and Replace"?.

Ad hominem? The itchy trigger finger and the twitchy threat of immediate armed assault is what keeps things civil.

Trump learned everything he (remembers) about health care from Doogie Howser re-runs.

smaulgld says

I marked this as ad hominem to test the new feature.

I sure hope that stupid drooling fuckstick shit-for-brains Drumpf doesn't register on PatNet because calling him a cunt is a basic human necessity.

Heres Your Card says

I sure hope that stupid drooling fuckstick shit-for-brains Drumpf doesn't register on PatNet because calling him a cunt is a basic human necessity.

No, it's not a necessity at all.

In fact it is the worst possible response because it simply hardens the opposition.

If you're a human being, try to see the human beings on the other side. What is their fear? What are they concerned about?

In fairness to the President, the issue needn't be nearly so complicated as it is. You could set a million monkeys at a million typewriters for a million years, and choose deliberately their most convoluted output, and it would not come close to the broken system that we have. Decades of both major party establishments dividing and misruling the public, aggregating constituents into different pools and programs, maximizing patronage network spending/revenue, have made it so. On Capitol Hill, you can usually translate "reform" to mean "increase spending for the dominant patronage network at the expense of everyone else." I've posted elsewhere on PatNet relevant quotations from Noam Chomsky (about manufacturing consent, and the most educated being the most indoctrinated, book smart but not street smart). I've posted also a longer excerpt from George Orwell's 1984, about the perceived need to maintain scarcity while destroying surplus in a way that the population finds psychologically acceptable. Any amount of waste, fraud, and abuse can be psychologically acceptable to the regressive virtue signalers on the left, as long as you call it a "benefit" for "health", even if you're actually irradiating innocent people and increasing their risk for cancer, or poisoning them with toxic placebos. It's the left's version of the drug war, where any amount of private prison spending (including private contractors that sell to government prisons and lobby legislators and write criminal laws via ALEC) can become psychologically acceptable, no matter how much waste, fraud, and abuse it entails, so long as it is punishing defiance. The two major parties use a "good cop, bad cop" two step, so they look different, but they're both working for overlapping patronage networks, and the waste, fraud, and abuse are the pie that they want to grow, because they can get their fingers in most easily where no real value needs to be produced and delivered.

rando says

Heres Your Card says

I sure hope that stupid drooling fuckstick shit-for-brains Drumpf doesn't register on PatNet because calling him a cunt is a basic human necessity.

No, it's not a necessity at all.

In fact it is the worst possible response because it simply hardens the opposition.

It's without any question absolutely necessary and one of the most basic human obligations: speaking the truth of one's convictions. And it's preposterous to consider a hardening of opposition as a reason to suppress opposition. Trump is deranged and I couldn't care less if you or anyone else doesn't like the feelz of the statement. It's your website Patrick, so act like Trump if you think you must, but trying to muzzle others' opinions of a man who clearly has at best a tenuous grasp on reality and the emotional maturity of an eight year old is a waste of your moral character.

Heres Your Card says

I couldn't care less....

That's basically the AntiFa narrative: they start by committing to an extreme hallucination, and then use that to justify any bizarre tactic supposedly in opposition to it. So, now, we see the TDS comment calling the previous President names too, supposedly in the voice of the current President, but not fooling anyone. I suspect AntiFa are most likely the ones phoning in threats to Jewish centers and schools, in order to maintain the phony narrative about Nazis. Anyone else can see it's phony, but the AntiFa crowd have crowd dynamics, encouraging the most committed to ever more extreme tactics to maintain the shared hallucination.

Collectively, they do know one thing: if they don't maintain that mass hallucination, nobody else will. You're not going to see a President with Jewish grandchildren phoning in threats to Jewish community centers. So, if the imaginary Hitler won't do it, the AntiFa people have to do it themselves, lest they be exposed as the hallucinating fools that they are.

curious2 says

Heres Your Card says

I couldn't care less....

That's basically the AntiFa narrative:

Of his myriad disgusting qualities I don't consider antisemitism to be one. It is with the utmost irony that insulting Trump, a person so thoroughly constituted by insulting others (women, the disabled, anyone non-sycophantic) would be countered with a call for lucidity when the man himself is so clearly addled in that category. He doesn't strike me as a fascist either, he's just a narcissist child who thinks he lies at the center of reality for everyone else. There's no need to structure hallucinations to explain people's disgust and disagreement with him: it's just simple rejection of an idiot.

CBOEtrader says

Heres Your Card says

CBOEtrader says

Trump is an obvious lying tyrant (he isnt).

He obviously is.

He's a tyrant because you say so? Wrong. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445185/trump-less-authoritarian-obama

So you quote Fake News? No, clearly you're wrong and the lying idiot douchebag tyrant remains a lying idiot douchebag tyrant. Wanna try again? Here's a tip gleaned from your manner and method: Everything you use to support your unfounded claim is Fake News. But please, proceed...and feel free to talk amongst yourself.

CBOEtrader says

Heres Your Card says

CBOEtrader says

The rest of us disagree

Heh, heh, that's a stupid thing to say. More than half the voting population disagrees with you and likely thinks you're an idiot.

My comment was about requiring facts as a jumping off point for a wild claim. I'd certainly hope more than just Trump supporters still believe in using facts.

We do still, he doesn't. How many things has he claimed to be "rigged?". If you want to ferret out "wild claims" that would be the best place to start, namely, at the start of Trump's continuing series of lies. The simple truth is this: He can't function within an objective shared reality without lying to himself and others.