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I think it's entirely possible to be a liberal in the south and at the same time be sentimental or at least historically appreciative (or interested in) of the confederacy. That is without claiming that they should have won the civil war and while acknowledging that slavery was destined to end. The fact that some racists use the confederate flag as a symbol of white supremacy, should not mean that we all have to see it that way.

IT has historical significance that isn't simple, and a lot of people are descended from people that died on one side or the other.

CBOEtrader says

Nazi's were the top scientists in the world. That has nothing to do with why they were evil.

No, germans were the among the top scientists in the world when the nazi's came to power. The nazi's drove out many of their top scientists because they were jewish, many more left that were associated with or sympathized with jewish scientists. There were good scientists that stayed, we scooped most up with operations paperclip, but a lot of the top ones left because of the nazi's.

bob2356 says

There were good scientists that stayed, we scooped most up with operations paperclip, but a lot of the top ones left because of the nazi's.

Yes. Many were Jews, including Einstein, who stayed here becasue of the Nazis.

German people include a lot of high intelligence outliers. I'm mostly German ancestry, but not in the super high intelligence outlier category. There is a reason why Germany almost took over the world twice.

Germany was a haven for Jews for centuries. Might be the higher intelligence bred into the population as Jews intermixed with Germans. I like to think I might have Jewish ancestors.

The law makes no provisions to satisify political curiosity for frivilous edification. If the Never Trump dickheads have any meat to go with those potatoes I sugest they put it up or shut up.
People butt dial their phone all the time. Trump's recorder must have engaged during that second scoop of ice creme. "How did that Comey dinner recording get in there?"

There's no law against Samsung and Apples bad design that made it so easy for digital survailance to be activated so the government can spy on us.
It's just one of those things we all have to live with, with smart phones, you never know who's listening or watching.

Aye Anthony Weinner and James Comey?

Tenpoundbass says

There's no law against Samsung and Apples bad design that made it so easy for digital survailance to be activated so the government can spy on us.

It's just one of those things we all have to live with, with smart phones, you never know who's listening or watching.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-echo-data-evidence-in-murder-case/

Maybe Trump likes jazz music.

Law office clerks arn't suppose to know jack...
bob2356 says

ou are always bragging about working in a law office. You damn well should know this

The real fucked up this is that this woman decided to post her video after watching it at home and seeing how stupid and crazy she and her lies sound.

marcus says

"who's you vote for ? Hillary ? Bernie ?"

haha that was just poking the asshole. They could have been a bit nicer, but if I were the store owner id absolutely want them to follow her into the parking lot. She's the type of lunatic who'd slash tires and spray paint walls on the way out.

She 100% deserved an escort off premises.

Dan8267 says

The real fucked up this is that this woman decided to post her video after watching it at home and seeing how stupid and crazy she and her lies sound.

Just want to remind you that that woman...that's your team there Dan.

FortWayne says

Dan8267 says

The real fucked up this is that this woman decided to post her video after watching it at home and seeing how stupid and crazy she and her lies sound.

Just want to remind you that that woman...that's your team there Dan.

They left will be disgusted by this lady the same way the average german was disgusted by the hitler youth in the 1930's.

Then these supposed enlightened left will accuse Trump supporters of being racist Nazi's, cheer on the antifa as they punch Richard spencer, and support BLM.... then pretend like they have no idea where this hag insane lady came from. THE LEFT MADE HER WHAT SHE IS. This insane lady is a natural consequence of your group's behavior.

FortWayne says

Dan8267 says

The real fucked up this is that this woman decided to post her video after watching it at home and seeing how stupid and crazy she and her lies sound.

Just want to remind you that that woman...that's your team there Dan.

No, it's YOUR team. She's a conservative leftist, and your team owns the batshit crazy of all conservatives.

We liberals believe that people have the right to fly the racist Confederate Navy Jack that was adopted by the KKK in the 1930s. We also believe that people have the right to turn that flag. We also believe that the KKK has the right to march in the streets, and that people have the right to hold up pictures of lynching to shame the KKK.

This woman is not even remotely liberal. She wants to force her culture onto other people. She makes up lies about other people committing crimes. She tries to silence people who voice objections to her or her position. Those are all trademarked conservative tactics. So you own this batshit crazy, not us liberals.

CBOEtrader says

They could have been a bit nicer

Giving here the finger ? Calling her a fucking bitch ?

You think ?

OK, upvoted!

Wow, more than 7,000 comments. Wish patrick.net threads could get that many. Max I ever got on a post was 2,106 comments.

It's good news for the movie that so many people are talking about it.

rando says

Wow, more than 7,000 comments. Wish patrick.net threads could get that many. Max I ever got on a post was 2,106 comments.

Other website adherents aren't as intelligent as patnet followers.

I believe that there are way too many monuments dedicated to the confederacy. It's good that many of these are coming down. This will not erase history any more than tearing down monuments to Hitler would make people forget about the holocaust.
Aside for the dummies : I didn't say that the Confederates were as bad as Hitler.
Many of these monuments belong in a museum.
Spencer is the nazi version of anti fa. If his team is less violent, it is because they have had many more years to figure out what makes an effective demonstration.

'Forgetting' about genocidal events, given enough time, is inevitable.

It was always inevitable that the enormity of the Holocaust would recede in public awareness. The human mind is built to forget; neither individuals nor societies can prevent the intensity of agonizing memories from diminishing over time. In a new book, “In Praise of Forgetting,” David Rieff reflects on King Philip’s War, a murderous conflict between English settlers and Indians in 17th-century New England. On a per capita basis, it was the bloodiest war in American history, and those who survived the carnage must surely have been passionate in their conviction that it never be forgotten.

Dispiriting as those numbers are, they are bound to grow even worse. As the generation of Holocaust survivors passes away, as Holocaust-deniers spread their poison, as indifference to history takes its inevitable toll, remembrance of the Nazis’ Jewish genocide will dissipate.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/04/30/never-forget-world-said-holocaust-but-world-forgetting/59cUqLNFxylkW7BDuRPgNK/story.html

YesYNot says

I believe that there are way too many monuments dedicated to the confederacy. It's good that many of these are coming down. This will not erase history any more than tearing down monuments to Hitler would make people forget about the holocaust.

BlueSardine says

as Holocaust-deniers spread their poison, as indifference to history takes its inevitable toll, remembrance of the Nazis’ Jewish genocide will dissipate.

Why did you have to bring Spicer into it? Everybody knows he's lying when he's behind the podium. Of course he knows about the holocaust centers.

That horse has a pencil dick.

FortWayne says

Liberals always trying to rewrite history and draw rainbows on everything.

There's nothing to rewrite about the Civil War. The traitorous South killed lots of Americans in order to hold onto slavery, an abomination that only the most immoral people engaged in. There's nothing more to say about the Civil War.

CBOEtrader says

There is literally 100 times as much evidence for the Clinton kill list

Jesus. You don't even realize that you reject all information that doesn't fit your narrative and accept all information that agrees with it. I pretty much filter out the ridiculous claims on either side. I call them ridiculous if (1) nobody is found guilty of something and (2) personal accounts contradict the narrative (3) the only people pushing the narrative are making a living selling it.
So, I didn't give any credence to the killary clinton stories and I didn't give any to the Trump is a repeated rapist of underage girls.

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

Liberals always trying to rewrite history and draw rainbows on everything.

There's nothing to rewrite about the Civil War. The traitorous South killed lots of Americans in order to hold onto slavery, an abomination that only the most immoral people engaged in. There's nothing more to say about the Civil War.

South had their right to separate, your GED is flaring up again Dan.

Just watched it and thought it was great, now to get wife to watch it.

FortWayne says

South had their right to separate, your GED is flaring up again Dan.

Actually, according to our laws, they don't. Once a territory is part of the country, there is no legal mechanism for it to leave.

But hey, if you want to argue that succession should be a right, fine. But it does not mean the South had a right to enslave people. So they are still the villains in the story, period. You are simply trying to rewrite history.

By the way, why the fuck should I care about the rights of slavers? If you don't respect the right of a person to not be murdered, tortured, or rape, why should I respect your right to take land away from our country?

The trick is to just "happen" to be watching it when she's around.

Is there a free and simple way to watch The Red Pill movie?

errc says

Is there a free and simple way to watch The Red Pill movie?

Kodi

http://theredpillmovie.com/screenings/buy-rent-stream/

marcus says

I think it's entirely possible to be a liberal in the south and at the same time be sentimental or at least historically appreciative (or interested in) of the confederacy. That is without claiming that they should have won the civil war and while acknowledging that slavery was destined to end. The fact that some racists use the confederate flag as a symbol of white supremacy, should not mean that we all have to see it that way.

IT has historical significance that isn't simple, and a lot of people are descended from people that died on one side or the other.

Holy Shit! Marcus's best post EVER!!!

YesYNot says

I believe that there are way too many monuments dedicated to the confederacy. It's good that many of these are coming down.

Based on...

Dan8267 says

Lee was a traitor, by definition.

So were the Founding Fathers, by definition...

Dan8267 says

But it does not mean the South had a right to enslave people. So they are still the villains in the story, period. You are simply trying to rewrite history.

Neither did the Union, yet Maryland, Missouri, Delaware, and Kentucky all had slaves during the civil war. OMG the US flag is a symbol of hate!!!!

Great Britain outlawed slavery in 1833, 25 years before our civil war started. Would GB have been justified in starting a war w us to force us to end slavery? Slavery would have ended on its own, albeit slower in the south where it was a larger part of the economy.

The Civil War was fought to free the slaves is about as accurate as Operation Iraqi Freedom was about muslim women's rights.

Dan8267 says

There's nothing to rewrite about the Civil War. The traitorous South killed lots of Americans in order to hold onto slavery, an abomination that only the most immoral people engaged in.

Once again, Dan has proven himself illiterate when it comes to history. Lincoln has multiple recorded speeches stating the war had NOTHING to do with slavery. Slavery was a blip on the radar of this country compared to say, Africa, where is it still widely practiced. Secession was due to unfair taxation and tariffs the feds tried to impose on the south. The war started because the north wouldn't let the south break away from the union(again see Lincoln's speeches), NOT due to slavery. Most of the southern's who have statues, didn't own slaves.

Dan8267 says

Actually, according to our laws, they don't.

Dan, you would make Benedict Arnold proud.

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

- Declaration of Independence

CBOEtrader says

Your question was why are they removing them.

Democrats don't want to remind everyone of their past.

ISIS tears down statues and tries to erase "pre-Islamic" history too.

"The Civil War was fought to free the slaves is about as accurate as Operation Iraqi Freedom was about muslim women's rights."

The Civil War was fought to keep the country together. The South seceded to keep the right to own slaves.

"Secession was due to unfair taxation and tariffs the feds tried to impose on the south. The war started because the north wouldn't let the south break away from the union(again see Lincoln's speeches), NOT due to slavery. Most of the southern's who have statues, didn't own slaves."

OK, please detail exactly which taxes and tariffs caused the South the secede then. When they were enacted, etc.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp

Reading the secession letter, I find it hard to believe that anyone could argue slavery wasn't the cause of the Civil War. But, I'm frequently surprised...

NuttBoxer says

So were the Founding Fathers, by definition...

Yes, but do you hold betraying England on the same level as betraying America?

In any case, the American revolution was far more justifiable than the South's treason.