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Barack Obama Wants to Reward FBs


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2007 Aug 29, 2:57am   30,630 views  270 comments

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I don't follow politics for myriad reasons. I know that pretty much every Congressman and every Presidential hopeful is falling all over themselves to buy as many votes as they can -- business as usual. But I do know that the Obama crowd prides their candidate on his integrity and high ethical bar.

Well, Mr. Obama writes in Todays Financial Times "Comment" section:

Fine unscrupulous mortgage lenders

The implosion of the subprime lending industry is more than a temporary blip on our economic progress. It is a cancer that, given today's integrated financial markets, threatens to spread with devastating impact to housing and to our economy as a whole, unless we act to contain it.

Already I'm sure many of you will take some exception to Mr. Obama's statement. Myself, I don't see too much trouble with his concern; and I also think that the government has some role in providing stability to the core banking structure.

I'll go on, quoting the more objectionable excerpts. To Mr. Obama's credit, he does want to aggressively go after lenders who committed fraud, used deceptive tactics, or systematically exploited the elderly or minorities. To his detriment, not a single word was uttered about regulating or punishing the real-estate industry. I guess even a principled candidate has to be careful which lobbies he crosses.

This all started as a good idea -- helping people buy homes who previously could not afford to.

[...]

Today, as we weigh our options on how to best resolve this crisis, many argue that bailing out the borrowers and investors will just encourage them to engage in more of the same irresponsible practices.

[...]

The real victims in this crisis are the millions of borrowers who followed the rules, whose only crime was taking out mortgages lenders told them they could afford. Normally these borrowers could avoid foreclosure by refinancing their mortgages or selling their homes. The problem today is that they cannot refinance because no one will lend to them, and they cannot sell because the housing market has fallen. With some arguing that the effects of the worst subprime loans will not be felt until 2008 and 2009, this may be just the beginning.

We need to help struggling borrowers to weather this storm. One way to protect innocent homeowners -- at least until this crisis passes -- is to establish a fund to help people refinance or sell to avoid foreclosure.

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That is why I have proposed a Home Score system that would create a simplified, standardised[sic] metric for home mortgages -- rather like the annual percentage rate (APR), the effective interest rate a borrower ends up paying on a loan -- allowing prospective home buyers easily to compare various mortgage products so they can find out whether they can afford to make the payments.

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Owning a home represents a big part of the American dream and all Americans -- no matter what their income level -- should have the power to reach for that dream.

[...]

If we are serious about stopping this crisis [...] Washington needs to stop acting like an industry advocate and start acting like a public advocate.

I'll let you guys defend Barack or rip him apart. I'm not sure why Washington should necessarily advocate either side of the ownership/industry value chain, but I can see how this rhetoric gains populist votes.

One point for Mr. Obama: APR is not the same as EAR. You might want to get get someone on staff who actually knows something about markets, finance and economics before you go making a fool of yourself in the Financial Times.

--Randy H

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115   Bruce   2007 Aug 29, 6:24pm  

I enjoyed the Bernanke letter. A casual reader sees only reassurances and helpful suggestions. Schumer can have little doubt about the message it contains for him. Very well done.

On the other hand, I'd file the Obama quotes under boilerplate. Legislators and candidates cannot find a poster child. There isn't one.

Linda seems a little out of temper, doesn't she?

116   Different Sean   2007 Aug 29, 7:29pm  

John T Reed has even written a piece on Obama now, in his usual inimitable style. While not relevant to the bailout policy, it reinforces the point made above that big party politicians will say anything to capture votes. John Kerry particularly fell prey to this last time round. As per the knee-jerk 'we will keep interest rates low' pseudo-policy of the Labor party so as not to upset anyone at all.

The only party approaching honesty left in this country is the Greens, the third biggest party, although I should properly be allied with Labor, if it wasn't so full of apparatchiks, liars, sell-outs and closeted right-wingers.

http://www.johntreed.com/Obama.html

117   DinOR   2007 Aug 29, 11:06pm  

"or should I say Randolph"

Quite the "sleuth" huh! The man only has a standing invite to his web-site by clicking on his screen name, has given his full name on numerous occassions and has in no way made any effort to "conceal" his true identity!

With powers of deductive reasoning like this it's small wonder "Linda the Licensed" is a Top Producer (TM) :)

C'mon, if her leased Lexus got towed it would take her 3 days to find it! What's next? You're going to once and for all reveal the true identity of the Zodiac Killer!? I can't wait.

118   PermaRenter   2007 Aug 30, 12:15am  

What's your take on the subprime mortgage crisis?

The problem will get worse. 68%

The worst is behind us. 33%

27666 Votes to date

119   skibum   2007 Aug 30, 12:32am  

What’s next? You’re going to once and for all reveal the true identity of the Zodiac Killer!? I can’t wait.

Nah, I think she'll find Nicole Simpson's REAL killers. And she'll find Osama while she's at it.

120   DinOR   2007 Aug 30, 1:07am  

StuckinBA,

I agree, the pressure on Ben going forward will be immense. Like you, I'm reluctant to give my "full seal of approval" just yet but if you've read his letter to Schumer (and I suspect you have) he is full of empathy... yet offers... basically nothing? So far he's resisted subtle suggestions (from DL) blown gasket tirades from Jim Cramer and an "end run" by none other than Bill Gross.

Ultimately, he'll have to "throw them a bone" to shut them up and keep the peace but unless it's anything more than a token act I'll continue to give him my vote of confidence. FWIW.

121   Bruce   2007 Aug 30, 1:37am  

Are there any foreign economies experiencing problems in their own MBSecurities, and not just fretting about ours?

I ask because I think Bernanke would find a much clearer path for setting a lower target rate if there were one or two majors with good reason to do the same.

BoJ has almost no room to move, obviously. But surely there are bubbles expanding in London and Paris?

122   DinOR   2007 Aug 30, 1:42am  

Bruce,

I'd read that "Basis Yield" (an Oz based HF) is in default. Details at Mortgage Implode.

123   Randy H   2007 Aug 30, 2:13am  

In truth, I'm not sure the letter from "Linda" is genuine. Firstly, the fact it's from a "fake" email address immediately tells me that this is very likely *not* a realtor. Also, the letter looks suspiciously similar to 2 others I received this year related to my Second Life criticism. Since I wrote about SL again about a month ago there's a good chance that 'hater fanboi' followed me here and made up the rest. Also, it looks like fanboi hater either read a lot about me very quickly (unlikely), or has been a hatin for a while know, long enough to know I bitch about Mill Valley and other stuff in there. Some of those SL cultists were pretty creepy. At least a couple of them took way too much time reading everything they could find about me and then smearing stuff all over their little SL fanboi blogz. I doubt this was a realtor, unless it was a realtor who's also in Cult Second Life.

124   SP   2007 Aug 30, 2:25am  

DinOR Says:
if her leased Lexus got towed

Maybe we should coin a new term for that: TWNED.
e.g. "did you hear about Linda The Licensed? She fell behind on the lease payments and got twned - so she now has to take her home-buying clients around on the bus."

SP

125   skibum   2007 Aug 30, 2:31am  

Randy H,

If that's true, that would really be creepy. I woulda thought the Second Life die-hards were all at that convention in Chicago, trying to schtoop each other in real life.

126   Brent   2007 Aug 30, 2:57am  

I was reading the other day where someone suggested the re-introduction of shared appreciation mortgages as a possible avenue for sub-prime refinancing. Have SAMs been discussed here? I hadn't heard of these before, and as I presently see it their ramifications frighten me more than that of nuclear weapons.

127   Randy H   2007 Aug 30, 3:06am  

I woulda thought the Second Life die-hards were all at that convention in Chicago, trying to schtoop each other in real life.

I think that freak convention ended last weekend. If you saw the pictures Valleywag linked, I doubt anyone was schtooping anyone else in that bunch. Let's just say that were I to have been stranded amongst that crowd I would have been looking for relief amongst the glamorous folks one finds playing D&D at a renfest.

The funniest part though was seeing people try to dress up like their game avatars. Clue: if your avatar is a 5'10" edgy supersexbombe with rad "take me from behind" tats who normally dons the kind of microskirts that make grown men weep, but you're really 380 lbs in real life, don't. Just don't, for humanity's sake, please.

128   DinOR   2007 Aug 30, 3:26am  

Brent,

Good question. My follow up to that would be, "WHAT appreciation!?"

No seriously, the Portland Development Commission effectuated exactly that when they ignited the "loft craze" in the Rose City. These deals were structured so if they buyer held on for a full 10 years, there was no share to the city. If they sold in the 7th it was 15%, the 5th 20%, under 3, 25% of the "appreciation". In addition they were given a tax holiday for those same 10 years (paying only about $150 a month).

This worked b/c they were coming off the bottom (late 90's early 00's) but I can't imagine how that would work with vastly overpriced abodes?

129   Peter P   2007 Aug 30, 3:33am  

The funniest part though was seeing people try to dress up like their game avatars.

Can you post some pictures?

130   DennisN   2007 Aug 30, 3:43am  

We've all made fun of "granite countertops" around here, but look:
www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/145829.html It appears that they can truly be a "hot commodity".

132   SFWoman   2007 Aug 30, 3:50am  

Bruce,

A friend of mine at BNP Paribas in Paris is very, very concerned about the fallout from the American mortgage fiasco. She thinks it is going to cause worldwide problems. She thinks we have a real gold rush mentality to our finances here.

Also, London still seems to be in the middle of a major real estate bubble. One of my friends just bought an astoundingly expensive place in Battersea (south London) after waiting for a couple of years for the market to cool. He said he really expects the bubble to pop, but he was sick of $20,000 (!) a month rent. There seems to be a major rental bubble in London I guess. The prices sound twice as ghastly to me as they do to him because of the currency exchange.

133   skibum   2007 Aug 30, 3:51am  

The funniest part though was seeing people try to dress up like their game avatars. Clue: if your avatar is a 5′10″ edgy supersexbombe with rad “take me from behind” tats who normally dons the kind of microskirts that make grown men weep, but you’re really 380 lbs in real life, don’t. Just don’t, for humanity’s sake, please.

LMAO! :)

It reminds me of this (has been around for some time, so my apologies to anyone who's seen this already):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Io3W0-3uj8c

134   SFWoman   2007 Aug 30, 3:51am  

DennisN,

I have measured the radioactivity of granite countertops and they were at about twice the background when we were at about 6500ft at Squaw. They are truely a 'hot commodity'.

135   SFWoman   2007 Aug 30, 3:53am  

I saw Yiffys on a CSI or some such show. I didn't know they were real.

136   skibum   2007 Aug 30, 3:55am  

Randy H,

I just lost my lunch looking at those pics. Yowza!

On a serious note, therin lies the genius of Linden Labs that you must give them props for. They are mining a more or less neglected demographic, and they are sucking them dry with their business model. Gotta give them credit for that.

137   SFWoman   2007 Aug 30, 4:06am  

I guess Ron Paul is even more of a bear than I am :

http://tinyurl.com/ypy478

138   Peter P   2007 Aug 30, 4:07am  

My eyes!!!

The Yiffys are the least offensive ones.

139   Peter P   2007 Aug 30, 4:08am  

Looks like our own blog parties have much more grace.

140   Peter P   2007 Aug 30, 4:10am  

SFWoman, perhaps Google/YouTube will propel Ron Paul into the White House?

141   Randy H   2007 Aug 30, 4:12am  

@SFWoman

Sadly, Yiffys are real. One of the writers of CSI (Miami?) is very plugged into the gamer-culture. There have been a couple of episodes that touched on the darker recesses of gaming. There was one where some deviant was acting out a GTA plot.

More about "furry fanbois" can be found on Wiki, though the article mainly tries to show how normal these folk are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom

I think the subculture came out of anime/manga/hentai and found an interactive outlet in online games.

142   Allah   2007 Aug 30, 4:26am  

Sorry to interrupt this thread, but I just need to know what you all think.

You guys and gals might want to join in on this thread on city-data dot com; or at least see what is posted there.

I joined up and immediately started getting what they call "infractions" (de-merits?) for the wrong reasons; supposedly if you get a certain amount of these, they bann you. I put up shillers graph and they deleted it because they claim it "violates copyright" and even though I explained that it isn't a copyright violation and that it is posted all over the internet, they just ignored me and didn't respond back. I kept my posts very clean and there was no reason any of them should be removed; but they went right ahead and deleted some of them anyway.

Then they said I am getting 2 more points ("infractions") because I am violating their TOS by using my web-site name LongIslandBubble for my handle; their TOS reads:

Only one screen name is permitted per user. Your screen name may not be your email, business name or your profession, this would be advertising, and is forbidden.

I explained that the name LongIslandBubble is not an email name or a business (since I do not make any money) or a profession (bubbletition perhaps?); so I am not violating any of their TOS at least any that they haven't made up yet. :roll:

Patrick.net has always been an open-minded forum that allows both bulls and bears to interact as long as noone attacks each other. It's a shame that all forums aren't like this; especially forums like city-data dot com that only allow the bull$hitters and eliminate the bears.

I'd like to know what you think about how these biased, one-sided forums that favor the bulls over the bears by eliminating anyone who says anything negative about the housing market; even while it is obviously deteriorating. I thought these forums were about sharing information; whether it be good news or bad news as long as the information is true.

What do you all think?

143   Peter P   2007 Aug 30, 4:31am  

What do you all think?

Just let them drink their own Kool Aid. They can do what they want. It is a free market. :)

144   Allah   2007 Aug 30, 4:35am  

By the way, Ron Paul is the only one worth voting for, the others are all socialists!

145   Allah   2007 Aug 30, 4:41am  

Just let them drink their own Kool Aid. They can do what they want. It is a free market.

Yes, but do you agree that they are conspiring against me, or do you think I am over-reacting?

Read the thread, it's a pretty good one!

146   EBGuy   2007 Aug 30, 4:47am  

In truth, I’m not sure the letter from “Linda” is genuine.
Thank you Randy, the letter is hilarious but it would be truly frightening to think of Linda as an actual Realtor.
Also, since I regularly harangue Randy about Mill Valley prices... the July DQ numbers show a 10% drop in the median home price (year over year) and a horrendous monthly drop from June -- which I suppose correlates nicely with his recent on the ground observations.
For me, the question of the hour is what will become of CAR's First-Time Homebuyers Affordability Index? Come on Obama, how about some Senate hearings on the REIC. Wouldn't you love to hears this.
Sen. Obama: Ms Appleton-Young, is it true that the California Association of Realtors recommended that first time buyers use an ARM and spend up to 40% of their income on their mortgage, taxes and insurance.
Ms. Appleton-Young: Its just an index that reflects the reality of the marketplace. Hey, we have to make a living somehow. Its not our fault. Mortgage brokers are evil. [breaks down sobbing]

147   e   2007 Aug 30, 4:50am  

I’d like to know what you think about how these biased, one-sided forums that favor the bulls over the bears by eliminating anyone who says anything negative about the housing market; even while it is obviously deteriorating. I thought these forums were about sharing information; whether it be good news or bad news as long as the information is true.

I say join them. Help them help the hype. Get everyone there to buy with 0% down and a neg am loan.

148   Peter P   2007 Aug 30, 4:52am  

Yes, but do you agree that they are conspiring against me, or do you think I am over-reacting?

They are conspiring against reality. But that applies to all kool-aid drinkers.

149   DennisN   2007 Aug 30, 5:03am  

Tell them to invest heavily in Detroit real estate. We're going to win in Iraq any day now and oil's going back to $5 a barrel, so Ford and GM will hire hundreds of thousands of new workers in Detroit. Tell them to hurry before word gets out!

150   Allah   2007 Aug 30, 5:16am  

Tell them to invest heavily in Detroit real estate. We’re going to win in Iraq any day now and oil’s going back to $5 a barrel, so Ford and GM will hire hundreds of thousands of new workers in Detroit. Tell them to hurry before word gets out!

I can't because they already suspended my account.

By the way, take a look at the last post; a fellow Long Islander who agrees with me and is telling them about a house he bought in 2002 and was lucky enough to get out in time only to just break even.

151   SFWoman   2007 Aug 30, 5:21am  

Allah,

They conspired against you. They are TERRIFIED and their arguments don't hold up well, or they wouldn't have a problem with a point of view that's different than their own. At least they didn't accuse you of being unpatriotic or aiding and giving comfort to terrorists.

152   DinOR   2007 Aug 30, 5:28am  

Allah,

If some of those price reductions don't look frantic, I don't know what does?! Some of them came in as little as a week. (Doesn't exactly inspire confidence now does it?)

I talk regularly with an internal wholesaler for ____ firm and he is a HUGE fan of yours!

153   Allah   2007 Aug 30, 5:35am  

They conspired against you. They are TERRIFIED and their arguments don’t hold up well, or they wouldn’t have a problem with a point of view that’s different than their own. At least they didn’t accuse you of being unpatriotic or aiding and giving comfort to terrorists.

SFWoman,

That is confirmed now. I just realized that they also deleted the graphic of the inventory on Long Island as well as the ARM reset schedule; those were the first two graphics; you can see they replaced them with "moderator cut : personal website". It wasn't even a link to a website, I uploaded those pictures directly to the site; no those pictures are "too scawy, we can't have that here!".

154   EBGuy   2007 Aug 30, 5:44am  

It has begun. Ginnie Mae announces, "We don't need no stinkin' conforming loan limit". Its only saving grace:
Frenz said in the memo that Ginnie Mae will continue to require that the borrower's downpayment plus the amount of the VA guaranty be equal to at least 25 percent of the purchase price or the home's value, whichever is less.

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