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More important than digging for forms is applying your own head. What's the motive?

Visualize a first-time pregnant 18-year old from a family of very limited education and means in 1961, who has never been abroad. She could give birth in the US where she lived, with the then best health care fully covered and her parents nearby. Why would she spend time and money to get the passport and needed visas, fly all across the world, at a then enormous cost for her, to give birth all alone in some s***hole hospital in Africa where she has never been to before, with no family or friends around, and no means to pay for the medical care, then spend more time and money to get US passport for the newborn and fly back to the US? All that back in 1961, when international travel was FAR less common, easy, or cheap than now.

Would you? Would anyone you know? Can anyone give any reason why? WHY?

shrekgrinch says

I’m in this because I believe there is something damning on his birth certificate other than where he was born that is being hidden. Like it saying UKNOWN for the father’s name or something

All right, well may be.
Whatever that "other" is, it obviously does not constitutionally disqualify him from the presidency. End of the story.

shrekgrinch says

Because this is a win-win issue for the Republicans and their followers regardless if the birthers are proven correct or not.

No. This paints the opponents of Obama as flat-Earth idiots and petty thugs in the minds of many, while beautifully distracting attention from some very real (rather than hypothetical) flaws of him as a person and of his policies. I'd even venture that perhaps he deliberately resists producing said "long form" or whatever that is just for this effect. :-) That's my conspiracy theory, no worse than others.

I am inspired to start up my "moon is made of green cheese" post...don't miss it you all!

I hope posts like these get buried under hundreds of more interesting ones with the new rating system...

Nomograph says

What if it did say that? How would that be “damning” for Obama?
After all, he’s already a half-breed, right?

If he is not actually a son of Obama Sr., that would be most embarassing of his late mother and his life narrative as in "dreams from my father".
But that's unlikely. There were not many blacks in HI back in 1961 and, with no paternity testing then, why wouldn't she write in Obama Sr. even if ...

Just got back from parts unknown and I gotta tell ya, Thank God(ess) that this thread was resurrected. Things got too real for a moment there.

I think Shrekgrinch and I agree on one thing: Let's encourage the Teabaggers to put some crazy magic long form laws on the books in as many states as possible.

I hope, nay pray, some state attempts to disenfranchise a whole swath of Americans by not letting Obama be on their state ballot. It would be a thunderous PR coup for Obama.

Imagine Shrekgrinch's fantasy come to life: Arizona declares that Obama's birth certificate isn't valid enough to allow the sitting President of the United States to be on the ballot. Obama will never produce his magic long form even though Republicans seem hysterically compelled to see it, measure it, and perhaps even taste it. This would prove without a shadow of a doubt that the Tea Party Republicans are anti-democratic facists that will use a "procedural issue" to subvert the voting process.

At a time when America is in the midst of three wars and Americans are concerned with jobs, Republicans attempt to use a "procedural issue" to win the election despite admissions by birthers like Shrekgrinch that they believe Obama was probably really born in the US anyway.

The idea that this issue is a win win for Republicans is fantastic. I hope more Republican lurkers read this thread and decide to push the issue in their states.

And I didn't even comment on Shrekgrinch's belief that:

OBAMA IS A SECRET MUSLIM!

This stuff writes itself.

Fisk says

There were not many blacks in HI back in 1961 and, with no paternity testing then, why wouldn’t she write in Obama Sr. even if …

I think this whole line of thinking repulsive. It's just a way to insinuate his momma was a HO!

His parents were married Feb 2nd 1961.
Baby born August 4th, 1961 in Hawaii
She filed for divorce in 1964.

Absent information to the contrary, the simplest assumption is he is the child of his legally married parents.

So Trump has released yet another purported "birth certificate". Unfortunately, this is STILL not the long form. WHERE IS THE LONG FORM TRUMP? Notice how this is a "Certificate of Birth Registration"? NOT A LONG FORM!!!!!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/page?id=13248168

Donald Trump can not prove citizenship according to birther extraordinaire Shrekgrinch's "state citizenship laws".

Another article indicates that what Trump gave after his first mixup, includes 2 forms. One of them is sufficient for a passport at least.

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/03/29/donald-trumps-birth-certificates

However the fact he submitted the souvenir one first, just proves he's a Birther buffoon for convenience of realizing it would buy him some publicity. He didn't even bother to study up on the thing before joining the club and trying to prove his cred.

Vicente says

However the fact he submitted the souvenir one first, just proves he’s a Birther buffoon for convenience of realizing it would buy him some publicity.

Are you accusing Trump of being a media whore? Oh, the whore-er!

Vicente says

Absent information to the contrary, the simplest assumption is he is the child of his legally married parents.
“Eagles are dandified vultures” - Teddy Roosevelt

And that's exactly what I suggested.

Vicente says

Another article indicates that what Trump gave after his first mixup, includes 2 forms. One of them is sufficient for a passport at least.

The Birthers have already established that documents sufficient for a passport are not acceptable forms of proof of Presidential eligibility according to the planned "Birther Laws" being advanced in conservative states.

The political gymnastics that will occur by Republicans seeking the candidacy if these laws pass will be so entertaining. The planned laws are so poorly written, no candidate will be eligible for the Presidency in those states.

I do hope Trump runs in 2012 as the spin-off Tea Party candidate. He considered running in 2000 as the Reform Party candidate. But he will need to answer all of the questions surrounding his birth.

I have heard rumors that Trump was actually born in a hospital in Jamaica. His biological father may actually be a Rastafarian and it would explain Trump's ability to weave his neck hair up over his skull using neck-dreads. Clearly he supports marijuana legalization as only someone who is completely high would believe any of the Birther nonsense. And his campain slogan is somewhat cryptic: "Smoke a blunt for Trump!"

Vicente says

Absent information to the contrary, the simplest assumption is he is the child of his legally married parents.

this is why the birthers want to see the long form, it has more information and thus there might be "contrary" information on it

LOL!

During an appearance on "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox News on Wednesday night, Donald Trump suggested that President Barack Obama's birth certificate could indicate that "he's a Muslim."
......
During an appearance on MSNBC's "The Daily Rundown" on Thursday morning, Trump said, "I am embracing the issue, and I'm proud of the issue. I think somebody has to embrace it."

Donald Trump: Obama Birth Certificate Could Say He's 'Muslim'

What bothers me is not that his birth certificate proves the woman who gave birth to him is not his real mom, but that he isn't the same person we elected- Lee Atwater

unrernelike says

I was hoping a member here on patrick.net would be able to show me where I can watch the movie The Dark Knight Rises On the internet for free. Thanks

That's some mighty fine Trolling there Lou, pretty fine...

It is legally and morally wrong to watch pirated movies online. What is the difference between that and outright theft? As a society we must respect private properties, whether they are tangible or not.

TDKR is worth the price of 10 theater tickets.

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

Trump is the only guy I have ever seen who has learned to comb over the hair on his back to cover his scalp. This makes him an authority on everything.

I think he combs it all the way up from his asshole. That way his mouth feels like it has some company.

Huh, it's still going on:

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/graphic-designer-shocked-as-advanced-software-exposes-obamas-birth-certificate-as-fake/

A graphic designer has sparked controversy by using design software to analyze and debunk the authenticity of Barack Obama’s official White House birth certificate.

In a shocking video demonstration, the designer downloaded the official document directly from the White House website and proceeded to dissect its layers in Adobe Illustrator.

The designer claims that the birth certificate, which was publicly released during Obama’s presidency to quell speculation about his birthplace, is not a single, cohesive document. Instead, he alleges it is made up of multiple separate boxes that were poorly assembled in what he described as a “terrible Photoshop job.”

As he manipulated the file in Illustrator, the designer pointed out inconsistencies he says indicate the document was digitally altered, such as mismatched text layers, inconsistent fonts, and alignment issues.

“No legitimate document would ever look like this,” he declared, explaining that official certificates are typically scanned as a single, uneditable file.

I really don't know what's true.

The birth certificate has been debunked every which way from Sunday. His custodial 'mom' (CIA) infiltrated the Hawaii records office for a short time to insert the fake. For all we know, Obama was birthed from a Project Monarch baby farm and seeded out to fake family for the Intels. He's also alleged Boy From Brazil. He is the perfect synthesized Manchurian bloodline fake.