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Vicente
2011 Mar 28, 9:49am
:-D
Those hospital documents are just souvenir items, no legal weight whatever. And oh yeah, there's the $44 million Trump Pavilion at that hospital no issues there!
Hairstyle of a rich nitwit:
More important than digging for forms is applying your own head. What's the motive?
Visualize a first-time pregnant 18-year old from a family of very limited education and means in 1961, who has never been abroad. She could give birth in the US where she lived, with the then best health care fully covered and her parents nearby. Why would she spend time and money to get the passport and needed visas, fly all across the world, at a then enormous cost for her, to give birth all alone in some s***hole hospital in Africa where she has never been to before, with no family or friends around, and no means to pay for the medical care, then spend more time and money to get US passport for the newborn and fly back to the US? All that back in 1961, when international travel was FAR less common, easy, or cheap than now.
Would you? Would anyone you know? Can anyone give any reason why? WHY?
I’m in this because I believe there is something damning on his birth certificate other than where he was born that is being hidden. Like it saying UKNOWN for the father’s name or something
All right, well may be.
Whatever that "other" is, it obviously does not constitutionally disqualify him from the presidency. End of the story.
Because this is a win-win issue for the Republicans and their followers regardless if the birthers are proven correct or not.
No. This paints the opponents of Obama as flat-Earth idiots and petty thugs in the minds of many, while beautifully distracting attention from some very real (rather than hypothetical) flaws of him as a person and of his policies. I'd even venture that perhaps he deliberately resists producing said "long form" or whatever that is just for this effect. :-) That's my conspiracy theory, no worse than others.
American in Japan
2011 Mar 28, 2:26pm
I am inspired to start up my "moon is made of green cheese" post...don't miss it you all!
I hope posts like these get buried under hundreds of more interesting ones with the new rating system...
What if it did say that? How would that be “damning†for Obama?
After all, he’s already a half-breed, right?
If he is not actually a son of Obama Sr., that would be most embarassing of his late mother and his life narrative as in "dreams from my father".
But that's unlikely. There were not many blacks in HI back in 1961 and, with no paternity testing then, why wouldn't she write in Obama Sr. even if ...
elliemae
2011 Mar 29, 12:26am
Just got back from parts unknown and I gotta tell ya, Thank God(ess) that this thread was resurrected. Things got too real for a moment there.
Huntington Moneyworth III, Esq
2011 Mar 29, 3:24am
I think Shrekgrinch and I agree on one thing: Let's encourage the Teabaggers to put some crazy magic long form laws on the books in as many states as possible.
I hope, nay pray, some state attempts to disenfranchise a whole swath of Americans by not letting Obama be on their state ballot. It would be a thunderous PR coup for Obama.
Imagine Shrekgrinch's fantasy come to life: Arizona declares that Obama's birth certificate isn't valid enough to allow the sitting President of the United States to be on the ballot. Obama will never produce his magic long form even though Republicans seem hysterically compelled to see it, measure it, and perhaps even taste it. This would prove without a shadow of a doubt that the Tea Party Republicans are anti-democratic facists that will use a "procedural issue" to subvert the voting process.
At a time when America is in the midst of three wars and Americans are concerned with jobs, Republicans attempt to use a "procedural issue" to win the election despite admissions by birthers like Shrekgrinch that they believe Obama was probably really born in the US anyway.
The idea that this issue is a win win for Republicans is fantastic. I hope more Republican lurkers read this thread and decide to push the issue in their states.
Huntington Moneyworth III, Esq
2011 Mar 29, 3:26am
And I didn't even comment on Shrekgrinch's belief that:
OBAMA IS A SECRET MUSLIM!
This stuff writes itself.
Vicente
2011 Mar 29, 6:44am
There were not many blacks in HI back in 1961 and, with no paternity testing then, why wouldn’t she write in Obama Sr. even if …
I think this whole line of thinking repulsive. It's just a way to insinuate his momma was a HO!
His parents were married Feb 2nd 1961.
Baby born August 4th, 1961 in Hawaii
She filed for divorce in 1964.
Absent information to the contrary, the simplest assumption is he is the child of his legally married parents.
Huntington Moneyworth III, Esq
2011 Mar 29, 9:51am
So Trump has released yet another purported "birth certificate". Unfortunately, this is STILL not the long form. WHERE IS THE LONG FORM TRUMP? Notice how this is a "Certificate of Birth Registration"? NOT A LONG FORM!!!!!
http://abcnews.go.com/US/page?id=13248168
Donald Trump can not prove citizenship according to birther extraordinaire Shrekgrinch's "state citizenship laws".
Vicente
2011 Mar 29, 10:14am
Another article indicates that what Trump gave after his first mixup, includes 2 forms. One of them is sufficient for a passport at least.
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/03/29/donald-trumps-birth-certificates
However the fact he submitted the souvenir one first, just proves he's a Birther buffoon for convenience of realizing it would buy him some publicity. He didn't even bother to study up on the thing before joining the club and trying to prove his cred.
elliemae
2011 Mar 29, 3:21pm
However the fact he submitted the souvenir one first, just proves he’s a Birther buffoon for convenience of realizing it would buy him some publicity.
Are you accusing Trump of being a media whore? Oh, the whore-er!
Absent information to the contrary, the simplest assumption is he is the child of his legally married parents.
“Eagles are dandified vultures†- Teddy Roosevelt
And that's exactly what I suggested.
Huntington Moneyworth III, Esq
2011 Mar 30, 4:27am
Another article indicates that what Trump gave after his first mixup, includes 2 forms. One of them is sufficient for a passport at least.
The Birthers have already established that documents sufficient for a passport are not acceptable forms of proof of Presidential eligibility according to the planned "Birther Laws" being advanced in conservative states.
The political gymnastics that will occur by Republicans seeking the candidacy if these laws pass will be so entertaining. The planned laws are so poorly written, no candidate will be eligible for the Presidency in those states.
I do hope Trump runs in 2012 as the spin-off Tea Party candidate. He considered running in 2000 as the Reform Party candidate. But he will need to answer all of the questions surrounding his birth.
I have heard rumors that Trump was actually born in a hospital in Jamaica. His biological father may actually be a Rastafarian and it would explain Trump's ability to weave his neck hair up over his skull using neck-dreads. Clearly he supports marijuana legalization as only someone who is completely high would believe any of the Birther nonsense. And his campain slogan is somewhat cryptic: "Smoke a blunt for Trump!"
Â¥
2011 Mar 30, 6:05am
Absent information to the contrary, the simplest assumption is he is the child of his legally married parents.
this is why the birthers want to see the long form, it has more information and thus there might be "contrary" information on it
Vicente
2011 Mar 31, 2:33am
LOL!
During an appearance on "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox News on Wednesday night, Donald Trump suggested that President Barack Obama's birth certificate could indicate that "he's a Muslim."
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During an appearance on MSNBC's "The Daily Rundown" on Thursday morning, Trump said, "I am embracing the issue, and I'm proud of the issue. I think somebody has to embrace it."
Donald Trump: Obama Birth Certificate Could Say He's 'Muslim'
taxee
2011 Mar 31, 7:17pm
What bothers me is not that his birth certificate proves the woman who gave birth to him is not his real mom, but that he isn't the same person we elected- Lee Atwater
Tenpoundbass
2012 Aug 18, 1:18am
I was hoping a member here on patrick.net would be able to show me where I can watch the movie The Dark Knight Rises On the internet for free. Thanks
That's some mighty fine Trolling there Lou, pretty fine...
Peter P
2012 Aug 18, 1:33am
It is legally and morally wrong to watch pirated movies online. What is the difference between that and outright theft? As a society we must respect private properties, whether they are tangible or not.
TDKR is worth the price of 10 theater tickets.
Ceffer
2012 Oct 17, 6:50am
APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says
Trump is the only guy I have ever seen who has learned to comb over the hair on his back to cover his scalp. This makes him an authority on everything.
I think he combs it all the way up from his asshole. That way his mouth feels like it has some company.
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shrekgrinch says
You believe there is no documented proof that proves Obama was born. To hold this belief makes you a Birther. That is the core belief of Birthers. (Similar to a religion - it requires faith despite proof).
I am thrilled conservatives are putting this on state ballots across the US. I hope conservatives continue to spout this non-sense across the Internet and across the world. This only makes the eventual Republican candidate an even greater fool as we approach 2012. Republicans continue to avoid angering the Teabagger birthers because they are counting on the clown vote, but they know the issue makes them look like complete morons to the rest of the nation.
Please let's continue this debate about Obama's birth! I want it on the ballot in California!
Specifically, let's get into the details:
* "Long" forms - Because longer is always better! Lovers make this complaint about conservative men all the time!
* Certificates of Live Birth vs. Birth Certificates - Do you know your government forms classifications? We tinfoil hat people do! Don't trust a government official. Trust the hermit survivalist stockpiling spices for the collapse of the New World Order!
* Manchurian Candidates - There is a socialist gene, after all!
* Witnesses - People who witnessed Obama's birth are his friends, thus they do not count! He should have been born surrounded by hate and evil enemies, like regular conservatives.
* States Rights - Hawaii should not be allowed to follow their own laws ... wait, I got this one backwards. No, no I didn't. States Rights are paramount UNLESS it involves Obama's birth. That exception is in my pocket Constitution.
* Newspapers - Damn liberal rags knew Obama would try to be President one day. They announced his birth falsely, just to trick future people in 2011!
* Kenyan Birth Certificates - Impossible to forge third world birth certificates. Who are you going to trust? Kenya (or Indonesia or Soviet Russia) or Hawaii. Obviously, you can't trust people in flowery shirts. In Soviet Russia, live certificates birth you!
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