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That's about reputation which is about perception. Obviously those voting were influenced by the anti-American liberal global media. Any kind of true ranking of what country is the best place to live must be wrong if it doesn't put the US in the top two or three.

That pisses me off that the liberal global media gets away with publishing that bs.

Don't they know about American exceptionalism ? The ungrateful idiots don't even appreciate all the things we do fighting for freedom all around the world.

I talk to a lot of people from dozens of countries (not all liberals BTW) and this list seems somewhat accurate. What mainly hurt the US (for what it is worth) was the invasion of Iraq pushed by Cheney and Co. I do agree *some* people are anti-American no matter what, but I put them in their place.

marcus says

Any kind of true ranking of what country is the best place to live must be wrong if it doesn't put the US in the top two or three.

no no, America is clearly #1, if you are independently wealthy.

It all depends what people want in order to live.

Some people like beaches...I could care less

I rather be in a city myself. I know people from the midwest that act like Boston is a big city..after being in Shanghai and Beijing every city in the USA for the most part feels like a small town (except NYC).

I've been to France. Paris, Nimes, Avignon, Marsailles and Nice. Nice was good although I could do without the rocky beach...funny as hell to see rules posted and everyone breaking them (no selling food on the beach, no parasailing, no dogs on the beach).

In terms of actually immigrating to another country I think the USA has lower standards than most of the EU and Canada. For visa's it varies quite a bit. China has standards that are a bit low but enforcement is lax.

It should be noted that there is right of blood and right of soil in terms of citizenship. A fair amount of the USA probably can become citizens of other countries with the right paperwork. Ireland used to be extremely generous but it has changed over the past few decades.

marcus says

That's about reputation which is about perception. Obviously those voting were influenced by the anti-American liberal global media. Any kind of true ranking of what country is the best place to live must be wrong if it doesn't put the US in the top two or three.

Depends on who you are talking to. Best place to live for what? For the poor who have no chance of coming to the US yes I'm sure it's top of their list. For people with education, starting to build skills and a career it's a toss up. For the people with established businesses and/or careers, no way. For retirees, absolutely no way.

The anti American liberal global media?? What is that? We managed to tarnish our image on a regular basis without even realizing it most of the time. Incredibly insensitive or just plain stupid statements by US politicians who have zero international experience, rude (very rude frequently) demanding us tourists, government officials misbehaving while stationed overseas, state visits that turn into abbot and costello routines, etc., etc.. Then Iraq happened. The US will never recover its' image. Decades of good will post ww II went right down the toilet.

The difference in peoples perception of America pre Iraq vs post Iraq is sharp and not at all good. People in general used to like Americans as individuals but disliked many of American government policies. That is no longer true many places.

The Us will never shake the worldwide believe that the Iraq invasion was an oil grab or that America is totally hypocritical in lecturing other countries about democracy and human rights while running Guantanamo and doing renditions of people to other countries to be tortured. Sad to say I never travel on my US passport any more unless I am returning to the states where I have to use it. I never know who is watching or why. I also really don't want DHS scrutinizing where I've been and when. Paranoid, but lot's of totally innocent people have had very bad problems with DHS.

I was being facetious. In reality I think we deserve many of the opinions the world has about us.

Sorry Marcus! I didn't catch the sarcasm!

Anyway here is another article with good and bad stuff:

http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-retirement/article/113582/challenges-retiring-abroad-bloomberg?mod=fidelity-readytoretire&cat=fidelity_2010_getting_ready_to_retire#mwpphu-container

For me the answer would be no mainly because all of my family lives in the US except for some cousins that live in AU. But there are other reasons. I grew up in the rural south. I've lived on the east coast, the west coast, and have traveled extensively throughout the US. The truth of the matter is that the US is like 20 countries rolled into one. The people, geography, weather, food, music, culture, art, and history is so incredibly different from one state or region from another that its amazing.

What's ridiculous is that about 90% of Americans will never see any of it. Instead they'll live squished on the coasts, refer to the vast interior as "Flyoverland" and vacation in France. Its ironic. We live in what is perhaps one of the most diverse countries in the world and the people that live here seldom actually see it but yet are only too willing to fly 12 hours to see a totally different country.

That said, the thought of moving to another country has crossed my mind. Only problem is that ALL of the countries on my list suffer from far worse bubbles than even California. NZ, AU, the UK, and parts of France are all grossly more costly than the US or California. One of the worst aspects of California is the cost of living and the last thing I want to do is move somewhere that's even worse. I do like to travel and have been to Europe, South America, and Hawaii ( even though that's technically the US) and feel that immersion in other countries is important but at the same time feel that a lifetime could be spent traveling the US and even then you'd see very little of it.

Even though its not technically another country if I had my way I would move to Hawaii. I've been there 3 times and LOVE it. Its simply paradise and the people there are very chill and laid-back.

bob2356 says

The Us will never shake the worldwide believe that the Iraq invasion was an oil grab

So, helping out Libya and not Syria somehow isn't also about oil???

American in Japan says

For those living in the US now, have you considered living in another country? Which one(s)?

I've watched enough episodes of Locked Up Abroad to know better then to leave the country.

American in Japan says

Is anyone living in Argentina?

Favorable exchange rate, although most goods you'd buy here that are name-brand cost similar amounts there. Buenos Aires is a great city though.

edvard2 says

Even though its not technically another country if I had my way I would move to Hawaii.

No way dude, Barack Obama was allegedly born there, and therefore it must be another country. Shrek/Mars told me. :p

edvard2 says

I've lived on the east coast, the west coast, and have traveled extensively throughout the US. The truth of the matter is that the US is like 20 countries rolled into one. The people, geography, weather, food, music, culture, art, and history is so incredibly different from one state or region from another that its amazing.

What's ridiculous is that about 90% of Americans will never see any of it. Instead they'll live squished on the coasts, refer to the vast interior as "Flyoverland" and vacation in France. Its ironic. We live in what is perhaps one of the most diverse countries in the world and the people that live here seldom actually see it but yet are only too willing to fly 12 hours to see a totally different country.

I've been to well over 30 states (and not just airports or something, and not even for business travel), and have lived in other regions too, and there's some good stuff, but a lot of crappy stuff too. I think you're overstereotyping the supposed stereotypers, but not everything sucks in Flyoverland (or Elvis Country, if you watch the Sopranos), sure.

zzyzzx says

I've watched enough episodes of Locked Up Abroad to know better then to leave the country.

No surprised you're closed-minded. Fits with the rest of the stuff you write too.

I came across this one too for what it's worth:

http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/06/9248360-brain-drain-reverses-course-flows-away-from-america

bob2356 said

>"I don't travel on my US passport any more other than coming to the US. The attitude toward Americans has changed dramatically in the last 10 years. People around the world really used to like Americans almost everywhere. They would tell you endlessly that they hated our policies, but they really would be friendly. That has changed. The Iraq war badly tarnished America's image around the world.

If you really think the consulate is going to bend over backwards for you then I would highly recommend not getting into trouble overseas. It ain't going to happen the majority of the time. Consulates are dumping grounds for people owed favors by politicians. Their first priority is maintaining their very comfortable expat colonialist lifestyle and not rocking the boat. Just getting to talk to someone at a consulate is usually about like making a state visit to the king of England."

I have to agree with this.

AIJ, long time no see.

Edit: Two dislikes for welcoming AIJ back after an absence? Give me a break.

I am still here... lurking... If I can't take to the time to post something sensible, I usually just read.

American in Japan says

I am still here... lurking... If I can't take to the time to post something sensible, I usually just read.

I was told that it's better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt - but that doesn't stop me!!!

Ellie's never been out of the country at all.

Has anyone lived in the Netherlands?

Worked in Germany, England, and Kalifornia.

I've lived in California, which qualifies as another country.

wthrfrk80 says

I've lived in California, which qualifies as another country.

Indeed, if you're not American.

ethry says

This has been a long thread but when I read this post, the first country that came to my mind is Paris. Maybe I just like the laid-back culture. Also, it depends on what you are looking for.

Paris is a city. :-D And the French are far from laid-back.

If you want laid-back in France go to Brittany or the Southern Provence regions...not Paris.

I currently live in the Stuttgart, Germany are. I have lived here for nearly ten years and love it. The Germans can be gruff but once you get to know a little of the language there is no problem. Cost of living is a bit higher here compared to parts of the US. Other great places are Padua, Italy...

G'Day, After all the governments just giving $$ to banks, I lost the plot and buggered off to the UAE where I pay NO tax. I've been here since 2009. Everyone has different situations, but I my take-home pay (what I get in my back pocket) quadrupled. Only draw back is the 140 degf temperatures I have to endure right now, but the winters are grand.

I was in the UAE in 2010. They are really building up their infrastructure...petrol profits.

Is anyone living in Thailand?