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thunderlips11 says

It is believed that the Malaysian Airlines pilots ignored several warnings to
avoid the airspace over Ukraine

Could be another Jihadi pilot? Why would a pilot ignore several warnings??? Though not confirmed, the last malaysian airlines had soemthing to do with the pilot??

lostand confused says

thunderlips11 says

It is believed that the Malaysian Airlines pilots ignored several warnings to

avoid the airspace over Ukraine

Could be another Jihadi pilot? Why would a pilot ignore several warnings??? Though not confirmed, the last malaysian airlines had soemthing to do with the pilot??

Mish has a thread up about the Ukies shooting down a Siberian Airlines jet from Tel Aviv in 2001.

In that case, the Ukrainian Air Defense mistook it for a training drone and downed it, killing all aboard.

It's very possible they thought it was a Tu-22M or some such.

Hard to believe that the US government/military does not have total satellite surveillance of the area.

For the next 96 hours, I would absolutely take every piece of information about this as rumor. Do not trust any source, or any piece of information. The media are always, always wrong on these things.

Washington just confirmed the Passenger Jet was brought down by a surface to air missile.
Who dunnit?
Bgamall4, what do your sources tell you?

Strategist says

Bgamall4, what do your sources tell you?

The voices in his head aren't going to be much help with this one.

Bigsby says

Strategist says

Bgamall4, what do your sources tell you?

The voices in his head aren't going to be much help with this one.

How did Washington find out it was a missile before the Russians did, when we are not even there? The Israelis dunnit, and told Washington, and the news leaked out. It's obvious it was the Jews with American help, because they want to take over Ukraine so they can get all the oil, while at the same time laying the blame on Putin.

Bigsby says

The voices in his head aren't going to be much help with this one.

IDF ground invasion of Gaza starting at this moment.

Coincidence?

Plus, I was just looking at some photos of Russian separatists, and their arms were bent really weird - never seen men with arms that long, or with elbows that seem to be near the shoulder.

At this point I would lay even money that Ukraine isn't real.

HydroCabron says

Bigsby says

The voices in his head aren't going to be much help with this one.

IDF ground invasion of Gaza starting at this moment.

Coincidence?

Both events happened within hours. It was a perfect plan. The Joos did it to blame the Russians so USA could take over Ukraine, while at the same time the spotlight is on Ukraine, so the Israelis can go invade Gaza without anyone finding out.
Makes sense to me.

Strategist says

HydroCabron says

Bigsby says

The voices in his head aren't going to be much help with this one.

IDF ground invasion of Gaza starting at this moment.

Coincidence?

Both events happened within hours. It was a perfect plan. The Joos did it to blame the Russians so USA could take over Ukraine, while at the same time the spotlight is on Ukraine, so the Israelis can go invade Gaza without anyone finding out.
Makes sense to me.

That and did you see the water bottles. There were water bottles-so it obviously must be fake.

thunderlips11 says

Mish has a thread up about the Ukies shooting down a Siberian Airlines jet from Tel Aviv in 2001.

In that case, the Ukrainian Air Defense mistook it for a training drone and downed it, killing all aboard.

It's very possible they thought it was a Tu-22M or some such.

Idiot.

lostand confused says

Both events happened within hours. It was a perfect plan. The Joos did it to blame the Russians so USA could take over Ukraine, while at the same time the spotlight is on Ukraine, so the Israelis can go invade Gaza without anyone finding out.

Makes sense to me.

That and did you see the water bottles. There were water bottles-so it obviously must be fake.

The plot thickens.
At the same time that airline was being shot down, Obama announced sanctions against Russia. What does that tell you? Microsoft also announced laying off all those people. Co incidence? I think not. They were working on the secret project, and when it was complete they fired everyone.
It's obvious to anyone. The government can fool everyone else, but not us.

That and our resident conspiracy threorist ahs opened a new thread/rant about rabid zionism-it is all fake -by the YingYang twins, err zionists.

lostand confused says

Malaysian jet carrying 295 ppl crashes in Ukraine-near Russian border

CNN is excited to have something to talk about for endless hours again.

Straw Man says

Idiot.

Of course, I'm an idiot for bringing up the fact, not my opinion, that the Ukrainian government shot down an airliner a decade ago.

Strategist says

The government can fool everyone else, but not us.

Of course! Because we can research this through grainy, shaky, YouTube videos and extremely blown-up JPEG's aliased to buggery, and discover the false-flag Zionism that is so blindingly obvious that no one else can see it!

Conspiracy theories are just theories.

What is happening in Gaza is tragic but practically nobody cares. Why should people care?

The rebels have no such airplanes, and the Ukranian government would be nuts to shoot down a Russian plane. And they have the capabilities to know what is up there. The rebels know the Ukranian military has planes, and the rebels lack appropriate tracking capability.

Call it Crazy says

and it takes the heat off of Obama and the Mexico border situation

Indeed, Obama needs to squirm out of that bill he signed in 2008.

Blurtman says

The rebels have no such airplanes, and the Ukranian government would be nuts to shoot down a Russian plane. And they have the capabilities to know what is up there. The rebels know the Ukranian military has planes, and the rebels lack appropriate tracking capability.

We don't know who is to blame yet, but you also don't know what equipment the rebels possess.

Call it Crazy says

Dan8267 says

lostand confused says

Malaysian jet carrying 295 ppl crashes in Ukraine-near Russian border

CNN is excited to have something to talk about for endless hours again.

Plus, add in the Israel ground invasion, and it takes the heat off of Obama and the Mexico border situation...

We have a border situation? How come no one told me?

Whatever: I stand with Israel on this one.

HydroCabron says

Whatever: I stand with Israel on this one.

Best article I've seen thus far on this:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/16/gaza-shameful-injustice-israel-attacks-occupied-people

corntrollio says

HydroCabron says

Whatever: I stand with Israel on this one.

Best article I've seen thus far on this:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/16/gaza-shameful-injustice-israel-attacks-occupied-people

Don't like looking at pictures like that. That poor man is a victim of Hamas, just like Israel is. Israel has no need, and no benefit intentionally killing children. Hamas intentionally puts children in harms way, which is very easy to do since they don't value life, but value the 72 virgins they get to fuck 24/7.
Sick sick sick!

HydroCabron says

Whatever: I stand with Israel on this one.

You do realize what happened the last few "occupations." This won't end well for anybody. Glad I don't live in that part of the world.

lostand confused says

HydroCabron says

Whatever: I stand with Israel on this one.

You do realize what happened the last few "occupations." This won't end well for anybody. Glad I don't live in that part of the world.

I actually agree with you. Religious wars never end well for anyone.

Uh, I'm talking about Israel shooting down this plane.

On Gaza, Israel can blow me.

thunderlips11 says

Mish has a thread up about the Ukies shooting down a Siberian Airlines jet from Tel Aviv in 2001.

In that case, the Ukrainian Air Defense mistook it for a training drone and downed it, killing all aboard.

It's very possible they thought it was a Tu-22M or some such.

Sounds like it was the pro-Russian rebels that supposedly didn't have the ability to use this type of weapon. Perhaps the Russians trained them?? ya think?

tatupu70 says

Sounds like it was the pro-Russian rebels that supposedly didn't have the ability to use this type of weapon. Perhaps the Russians trained them?? ya think?

The Ukies also have the BUK system - and their AD is poorly coordinated. The DPR has yet to shoot down a plane over 6,000 meters.

thunderlips11 says

The Ukies also have the BUK system - and their AD is poorly coordinated.

Maybe, but that's irrelevant. Their leaders didn't take to social media to brag about shooting down a plane before realizing it was a commercial jet. Or have a phone conversation taped where they talk about their mistake.

thunderlips11 says

The DPR has yet to shoot down a plane over 6,000 meters.

Until yesterday, you mean?

tatupu70 says

Maybe, but that's irrelevant. Their leaders didn't take to social media to brag about shooting down a plane before realizing it was a commercial jet. Or have a phone conversation taped where they talk about their mistake.

The Ukie Gov't bloggers were blaming DPR within minutes.

tatupu70 says

Until yesterday, you mean?

Got evidence?

That audio file the Ukies are peddling has embedded date creation problems.

The Donbass is Russian, it was forced into Ukraine by the Soviets to balance out the Kulaks of Western Ukraine. Just like Crimea. The Donbass was Russian under Catherine the Great.

thunderlips11 says

Got evidence?

I believe my last post detailed the evidence. As well as the US tracing the missile launch to rebel controlled area.

Strategist says

Religious wars never end well for anyone.

It may be a religious war for Israel's enemies but it is an existential war for Israel. Perhaps this is why the Jewish state has been and will continue to be triumphant.

Those who reject this-worldly reality to embrace other-worldly promises are doomed to fail in life. Is the afterlife any good? The review is not available on Yelp!

tatupu70 says

I believe my last post detailed the evidence. As well as the US tracing the missile launch to rebel controlled area.

We'll find out soon enough.

You'll also notice how circumspect the usually Russophobic Admin is being - Putin chatted with Obama recently.

I suspect Russian AD - which can see deep into Europe - has some good evidence as well.

http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/07/who-is-to-blame-investigation-of-flight-mh17/374664/

This article has a video showing the rebels with a Buk launcher that is missing 2 missiles heading back into Russia...

thunderlips11 says

The Donbass is Russian, it was forced into Ukraine by the Soviets to balance out the Kulaks of Western Ukraine. Just like Crimea. The Donbass was Russian under Catherine the Great.

Parts of Russia used to be in Finland and Germany, and since I don't see Russia giving those back, why should Ukraine?

Ukraine should just round up all their Russians and march them across the Russian border. It's nothing that the Russians haven't already done many times over.

Peter P says

Perhaps this is why the Jewish state has been and will continue to be triumphant.

Silly me: I thought it was because Israel's enemies are frickin' disorganized, and because of the $3,000,000,000 in annual U.S. aid, totalling $115,000,000,000 cumulatively.

Do they have the radar and C3 systems (separate from the launcher), required to reasonably detect and shoot down targets at that altitude?

Also, do you think the Ukraine, worried about a possible Russian strike, no-fly zone, or even invasion, didn't place any BUKS along the Border?

Now the process of determining where the missile came from has begun. An unconfirmed video has emerged showing a pro-Russian group driving a 9K37 Buk-M1 SAM, a missile operating system which was developed by the Soviet Union and is designed to fight enemy aircraft, missiles, smart bombs, and unmanned aerial devices. The video allegedly shows the Buk-M1 driving back towards Russia yesterday, with two missiles missing from the system chamber. Here is the video in full:

Additional video obtained by the Daily Mail shows a similar vehicle moving the missiles into place.However, official confirmation has still not been received from intelligence officials.

I can't see anything in the video that ID's the drivers as DPR, or the destination. The DPR is apparently so well equipped, they even have flatbeds capable of carrying tracked SAM vehicles.

zzyzzx says

Parts of Russia used to be in Finland and Germany, and since I don't see Russia giving those back, why should Ukraine?

The difference is that those parts of Germany and Finland doesn't have an innate, Russian speaking minority.

The Donbass and Crimean People were never given a choice to either be attached to or leave Ukraine.

In recent times, the duly elected and world-recognized legitimate government they voted for was overthrown by $5B of US "Democracy" Promotion.

Also, those regions were never part of, or propagandized, by Austria into thinking of themselves other than Russian, unlike Western Ukraine.

Lvov, for example, was built by Poles and Jews who made a majority of the population in 1930s - where are they now, Bandera?