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If you are talking about the race thread, I'm a bit surprised at that myself.

What I found even more curious...I'm on that vacation I posted an inquiry about a few months ago and went to the Giants-Dodgers game at AT&T Park last night. My fiancé is Latina, her daughter is 1/2 Latina, 1/2 Native American. Never once have I heard a racist comment at Dodger Stadium. Closest it's come is a drunk dude had a boom box and was playing Spanish language music really loud and an old guy was grumbling about it.

However, at AT&T last night, I heard three slurs about Mexicans shouted out. I was REALLY surprised at this due to the Bay Area's very liberal reputation. Nothing worth fighting over or even causing a ruckus over, but simply surprising(and telling IMO). Now don't get me wrong, almost everyone was super nice and of course there was some good natured ribbing and banter. And we had an amazing time with great seats and the daughter getting 3 dodgers autographs.

It had been a really long time since I last heard people just blatantly tossing out racist garbage like its acceptable to do so.

There have been some huge child pornography and prostitution busts lately.

Close an outlet and pent-up aggression becomes a problem. That brings them here to vent.

sbh says

Freedom's a bitch, you coward, and every anti-gay vocal ejaculation you commit is a mandatory expression of support of gay rights. You want gay people to go back to the shadow, but you get to wrap yourself n a diaper made of the confederate flag, cut your hair in a mullet, duct tape a plastic bust of Lester Maddux to your forehead and go mow your lawn when the kids get off the school bus. You're the queer.

WE WILL NOT GO BACK INTO THE SHADOWS!!!!!

http://www.sfweekly.com/sanfrancisco/folsom-street-fair-2013-nsfw/Slideshow?oid=2731277

What do you consider right wing?

Maybe it's your perception, because I haven't seen a single article about desire of going to war anywhere.

I guess I should have re-phrased the topic. Its not necessarily the right-wing crap that bothers me. There are endless posts that go on and on about liberals and how communist they are and yadda yadda.... That I can deal with.

What to me is totally out of line is the sheer volume of nothing more than outright racist, sexist, homophobic, and xenophobic posts that have NOTHING to do with politics. It used to be maybe on occasion one person would troll away for shock value spouting off wacky crap. But now it seems like those sort of posts have become more frequent. Like where in the hell does this shit come from?

I guess in the end I see posts like those and a little bit of faith I have in humanity recedes a bit. Its really sad to think there are people who really and truly believe the poison they write.

edvard2 says

I guess in the end I see posts like those and a little bit of faith I have in humanity recedes a bit.

You still have faith in humanity?

As I have said many times, everyone is a subjectivist who pretends to be objective. Our only hope is to embrace subjectivism, meta-ethically and epistemically.

dodgerfanjohn says

However, at AT&T last night, I heard three slurs about Mexicans shouted out. I was REALLY surprised at this due to the Bay Area's very liberal reputation.

Most self-proclaimed "liberals" are bigots wearing the wrong uniforms.

They say they support gay rights. But when I suggest the theory that EVERYONE has some homosexual tendency, they are quick to emphasize their ABSOLUTE straightness.

(I may or may not believe in such theory, but I do like to test their reactions with words.)

I believe homosexuality is a (deviant) behavior, anyone is capable of it in the same way as anyone is capable of smoking crack.

The Original Bankster says

anyone is capable of it...

Presumably Bankster, you base your assertion on your extensive experience; after all, if you can do something, anyone can. But, if you put down your crack pipe for a minute, you might consider the definitional difference between desire and behavior. For example, your desire to continue engaging in homosexual behavior is quite natural and has no adverse consequences in itself, but if you continue frequenting highway rest stops for anonymous hookups, you might catch an STD. You might consider limiting yourself to one partner who does not have any STDs to give you; the two of you could even get married, so you can stay home instead of cruising truck stops every weekend. That possibility differs from your desire to continue smoking crack: there is no really safe way for you to continue smoking, let alone smoking crack. Bankster, I will forgive you the fact that you were born ignorant, so in that sense you were born that way, but your problem is you choose to remain ignorant, and even to attempt to spread your ignorance, and those choices you should re-consider.

The Original Bankster says

I believe homosexuality is a (deviant) behavior, anyone is capable of it in the same way as anyone is capable of smoking crack.

The 14th amendment doesn't care that you think that way. So too bad, so sad because as seen what's happening now people can keep on going on and on about how they 'think' other people should live but that's not how the ball rolls in the USA so tough shit.

The Original Bankster says

WE WILL NOT GO BACK INTO THE SHADOWS!!!!!

http://www.sfweekly.com/sanfrancisco/folsom-street-fair-2013-nsfw/Slideshow?oid=2731277

Please this is so wrong.

You're forcing the other right wingers to look at these pictures. Tha't exaclty what they hate !

CaptainShuddup says

To each their own, but it is fucked up when they want to put it on display then declare mandatory viewing.

(from another thread)

And to you right wingers out there: This is mandatory viewing, but hey, you can break the rules every now and then, right?

Just don't look !! Think of it as civil disobedience !

edvard2 says

The 14th amendment doesn't care that you think that way. So too bad, so sad because as seen what's happening now people can keep on going on and on about how they 'think' other people should live but that's not how the ball rolls in the USA so tough shit.

Once this generation will wake up from all the homosexual propaganda fed to them by liberal media, and see it for what a horrible thing it is, they'll revolt and ban all the activity immediately.

Forthood, stop hiding your bigotry behind an avatar of Ronald Reagan, who entrusted his own home and children to a lesbian couple, and invited a gay male couple to stay at the White House.

FortWayne says

It's why I looked on internet and found patrick.net, because I had a gut feeling something was very wrong with just about everything.

And there you have it: why PatNet gets over-run by trolls. When Forthood gets frightened because he sees black people on TV, and gay couples getting married, he flees reality and pours his bitter bigotry into the intertubes via PatNet. Forthood, you might consider becoming Amish, though they don't usually troll the Internet to vent their self-loathing.

Get over your selves Obama won, and only HE won.

He's living high on his winnings right now as we speak. You lost your job and insurance plan, but you gained so much more. Like time to think about it.

I'm rapidly tiring of this site. It has become a ranting ground for racists, sexists, and homophobes. Anonymity isn't license to spread hate and ignorance. They remind me of people who fly cruelty under the flag of "just being honest." Real people are at the end of these avatars. It's truly appalling that there are so many posters who are ripe to blame anything that's ever gone wrong on women, minorities, and homosexuals.

I've often wondered how the Nazis got so many to go along with their holocaust against the Jews. It's hard to foment hatred where none exists. This site shows that there's quite a bit of hatred simmering below the surface waiting to be fanned. Are you just awaiting your charismatic leader?

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem limited to political affiliation. Two rabid sexists from this site, who shall remain nameless, couldn't be more opposite on the political spectrum. If likes are any indication, I got more support from our right leaning individuals in defense of women. I don't think hate cares which box you tick off on your voter registration.

turtledove says

Anonymity isn't license to spread hate and ignorance.

No one is spreading anything. You are reading too much into it. Everyone has an opinion, and we share and discuss it openly.

Disagreement should not be used to silence anyone.

I do think sometimes conversations get heated, but we should appreciate the fact that we can discuss our ideas openly. It's in the First Amendment for gods sake.

turtledove says

It has become a ranting ground for racists, sexists, and homophobes.

as opposed to a ranting ground for elitists, communists, homosexuals and feminists?

FortWayne says

Once this generation will wake up from all the homosexual propaganda fed to them by liberal media, and see it for what a horrible thing it is, they'll revolt and ban all the activity immediately.

Apparently you must be type-sleeping. Once you wake up from the dream you seem to be having you'll wake up to reality.

Perhaps a more constructive use of time would be to focus on things that are actual problems. We've had this same conversation over and over to no avail. I guess my question to you is why do you care? What does someone else and their sexual orientation have to do with you personally? That's right... nothing. Its none of your business. So get over it.

The Original Bankster says

as opposed to a ranting ground for elitists, communists, homosexuals and feminists?

Except that's not happening.

NUTTERS!!!!

The Original Bankster says

turtledove says

It has become a ranting ground for racists, sexists, and homophobes.

as opposed to a ranting ground for elitists, communists, homosexuals and feminists?

Nice strawman. Where do you see that happening? Please be specific. I don't think you know what any of those terms even mean, other than in your own box.

turtledove says

I'm rapidly tiring of this site. It has become a ranting ground for racists, sexists, and homophobes. Anonymity isn't license to spread hate and ignorance. They remind me of people who fly cruelty under the flag of "just being honest." Real people are at the end of these avatars. It's truly appalling that there are so many posters who are ripe to blame anything that's ever gone wrong on women, minorities, and homosexuals.

Yes, I've been spending less and less time here as time goes on. I mostly avoid the Miscellaneous forum and all of its cranks, but I still try to read the Real Estate and Economics forums occasionally (although the latter doesn't really seem to have very many intelligent posts lately).

The issue isn't that these people are right wing. It's that they're STUPID right wing people. Most of these folks that we're talking about aren't particularly intelligent and don't really make coherent arguments based on facts -- pretty much a waste of time. If the signal to noise ratio continues to worsen, it won't bode well for the health of the site. There are plenty of intelligent people on that side of the spectrum and many that espouse well-support views, but very few of them post here.

It's entirely possible that these unintelligent people see everything as left wing here because the typical left wing argument on Patnet is better supported. Usually when people submit opinions into a forum where they are viciously attacked by people who disagree with them, they raise their game. As such, the typical left wing argument here tends to be of higher caliber because it is assumed that such an argument will be viciously attacked by morons.

I don't really give a fuck about all the "this is liberal" "this is conservative" "liberals do this" "conservatives do that" crap, and would rather just see good arguments, no matter where they come from.

edvard2 says

Perhaps a more constructive use of time would be to focus on things that are actual problems.

I'm not the one who brought it up, this is just a response to something you started. But it is funny that you start this conversation and then complain that responses are not in agreement.

turtledove says

I've often wondered how the Nazis got so many to go along with their holocaust
against the Jews.

People always need a scapegoat for their problems. Rather than take a look in the mirror for their issues, they blame women, unions, jews, latinos, etc.

FortWayne says

I'm not the one who brought it up, this is just a response to something you started. But it is funny that you start this conversation and then complain that responses are not in agreement.

I was responding to your inappropriate response and as I recall, I also asked you a question of which most of us here are curious to know.

dublin hillz says

People always need a scapegoat for their problems. Rather than take a look in the mirror for their issues, they blame women, unions, jews, latinos, etc.

Yeha, you have to remember that these are "dey tuk arrr jubs" types. Also, most of them probably don't pay very much (if at all) in federal income tax, but seem to think they do.

turtledove says

Are you just awaiting your charismatic leader?

We already had G.W. Bush and B. Obama - how much more charismatic can they get?turtledove says

I've often wondered how the Nazis got so many to go along with their holocaust against the Jews.

turtledove says

If likes are any indication, I got more support from our right leaning individuals in defense of women. I don't think hate cares which box you tick off on your voter registration.

You don't have to respond to or discuss insults, it's totally up to you. However if one states that they deem certain laws unfair or discriminatory and you call them "hater", "mysoginist", "racist", "sexist" or anything personal in response to that, then they are the Jew and you are the Nazi in the example given by you. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. Now who's the shepherd?

sbh says

I wrongly thought, back in the '70s, that these knuckledraggers would just die out as time went by. But I was sooo wrong. They teach their kids to be good little bigot soldiers, and then send them off to war.

I am grateful that, for all their goofiness, the Millennials are very socially permissive. They are our hope.

And, I'm grateful that the ugliness of conservatism is suffering at its crop source as America urbanizes. I rue the loss of the virtuous agrarian conservative individual....I deeply admire him/her. But their political leaders are swine. Witness the swine and their filth here on Patnet.

Arthur Conan Doyle wrote eloquently about how the bucolic agrarian environment can seethe with murderous divisions hidden just beneath the seemingly placid surface. The isolation makes people vulnerable to charlatans who arrive selling religion and its associated slanders against everybody else. People so easily divided against each other, and even against their own families, tend to elect the worst politicians.

That type tends not to flourish in a city environment, where people develop human intelligence in the most obvious way, i.e. the kids run around exploring different neighborhoods and within a couple of generations the Irish and the Italians who used to hate each other begin to have grandchildren in common, whom they adore. Cities can develop their own issues, e.g. racketeering, but they don't suffer the same ignorance.

turtledove says

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem limited to political affiliation. Two rabid sexists from this site, who shall remain nameless, couldn't be more opposite on the political spectrum. If likes are any indication, I got more support from our right leaning individuals in defense of women. I don't think hate cares which box you tick off on your voter registration.

Except, yeah. The liberals don't care that white people exist; they might even be one. They don't care that gun owners exist; they might even own one. They don't care that people believe in religion; they might even have one.

No, the liberals believe, as the founders did, that rights granted to some are to be granted to everyone. That justice is only justice if it is applied evenly and without prejudice.

The right has a strong propensity to believe, "If it ain't white, Christian, and straight, it should not exist".

They tend to support the power of the majority over the minority. They are the modern Pharisees and Sadducees. They disregard the downtrodden in favor of them what's got.

So, I don't buy the premise. The liberals I know, and the liberals here, will fight for every rightwinger's right to believe what he or she chooses, but not their ability or inclinations to make everyone else adhere to it.

Can you really say the same about the right?

edvard2 says

What is up with the rash of super right wing posts lately?

They are losing.

CL says

No, the liberals believe, as the founders did, that rights granted to some are to be granted to everyone. That justice is only justice if it is applied evenly and without prejudice.

Well said. +1

CL says

Can you really say the same about the right?

Absolutely not. The right-wing believes in privileges, not rights. Even when it comes to "gun rights", they believe that certain people shouldn't have guns, namely scary blacks, but that they should have this privilege and it should be unassailable.

The right only sees the world divided into two camps: us and them; Americans and commies; conservatives and liberals; my tribe and evil foreigners; Christians and heathens. It's a tribal, Stone Age mentality.

sbh says

Dan8267 says

They are losing.

Three words. BOOM.

Way to go, Dan.

Yep, that's really what it comes down to. We have a black president. Marriage equality is becoming reality. Anti-pot laws are being challenged. The Internet is making it impossible for small towns to stay culturally isolated.

The conservative culture is dying because it cannot exist in the modern, connected world. And all these right-wing posts and the recent renewal in bigotry brought out by Obama's election and the marriage equality movement is the death rattle of conservatism. Wounded animals can be loud as they die.

The grandchildren of the vocal conservatives of today will pretend that their grandparents were liberals who supported minority rights including gay marriage. This is just like the conservatives of today pretend that their ancestors were not slave owners; it was someone else's ancestors.

Dan8267 says

Even when it comes to "gun rights", they believe that certain people shouldn't have guns, namely scary blacks, but that they should have this privilege and it should be unassailable.

That's why I like to post this.

CL says

That's why I like to post this.

Fox News does that a lot, but for different reasons. They post pictures of blacks with guns with the implication that they are going to start a race war. It's funny how when it's a white guy holding the gun, he's a freedom fighter, but when it's a black guy, he's a thug.

By the way, thug is now code for "nigger". It's the socially acceptable way of saying that while trying not to appear racist. I guess the conservatives didn't think we could break their code.

Dan8267 says

The grandchildren of the vocal conservatives of today will pretend that their grandparents were liberals who supported minority rights including gay marriage

Hahah. But of course. And if ACA works, it will be BECAUSE it is a conservative idea! You've unlocked the mystery---they are always on the right side, after having been on the wrong side in the history books.

Because, you see, history books are written by lefty pinheads who promote homosexuality.

And if the economy is bad under a Republican, it is due to the Democrat before him. If the Democrat is from a generation ago---no problem, he is to blame anyway!

If a Democrat has a lousy economy, it is entirely his fault, even if it is terrible on inauguration day. Because, ya know, the markets were reacting to a Democratic victory in ADVANCE of the election! Maybe even YEARS before the election!

***Ultimately, it was the ending of redlining that caused this mess, because you should be allowed to fuck over black people! It's in the Constitution! Liberty!****

And remember, it was REPUBLICANS who supported Civil Rights, and freed the slaves. Which also was NOT necessary (because they would have been freed anyway because of capitalism or something). And Had it not been for the tyranny of Abraham Lincoln, who didn't really care about black rights, then the obviously good outcome would have been even better if conservatives had ruled entirely! And Lincoln was not a Liberal, but Hoover was.

So, you know, the gays.

komputodo says

Maybe this is a place where people can vent their frustrations and do no more damage than offend a few people. Which is miles apart from what we see on the news everyday with senseless shootings and whatnot.

Yes, but that's miles apart from the typical forum I'd have interest in participating in, especially given the low intelligence of such frustrations, which is again why I try to stick to Real Estate and sometimes Economics.

sbh says

that we dispense with the quotation marks

Good point. You are correct. The quotation marks were unnecessary, and I should not have used them. I gave in to the pressure from people being politically correct and having fake outrage and expected them to deliberately misinterpret my statement if I didn't quote the word.

It is, of course, asinine to try to avoid using the word nigger when talking about the word itself. It also defeats the purpose. The African American community uses that word in order to disempower it. Avoiding the word or calling it the N-Word is like referring to Voldemort as He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. Dumbledore was right; it only empowers the word to be afraid to use it.

komputodo says

turtledove says

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem limited to political affiliation.

Unfortunately or fortunately? Why does every persons viewpoints have to be linked to a political affiliation. Does that imply that an apolitical person has no opinions?

I wrote "unfortunately" because I don't think that racist, sexist, homophobic comments are limited to right wing political views. Our reigning "progressive" was leading the charge against women earlier this week. The title of this thread suggests that the recent deluge of racist, sexist, and homophobic threads are right wing sentiments. I don't think it has anything to do with political affiliation; just lack of education and exposure.

I'm to the right of many issues. Equality isn't one of them.

turtledove says

I'm to the right of many issues. Equality isn't one of them.

So being pro Cracker parade is anti equality?

turtledove says

I'm rapidly tiring of this site. It has become a ranting ground for racists, sexists, and homophobes. Anonymity isn't license to spread hate and ignorance.

You can put people on ignore. How about putting selected threads on "ignore" too.
@Patrick