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FortWayne says

Kim is the modern day Rosa Parks standing up for her freedom of religion.

Umm Kim is the modern day racist asking blacks to stand in the back of the bus. Blacks sitting with others changes the natural order of things and of course they should be separated and gays can't amrry.

Sigh so predictable-I am sure the racist pigs back then thought they had God on their side and were pure and white. Even they would not listen to a 4 time married woman.

Sad thing is us libertarians have nowhere to go. Repubs want to control different aspects of our life and dems want to control other aspects. freedom lovers have nowhere to go.

lostand confused says

and dems want to control other aspects. freedom lovers have nowhere to go.

Most libertarians decide there's nothing to do but vote a straight Republican ticket for the rest of their lives, because both sides are the same.

Bt the way: what have the Dems banned you from doing lately? (I know they suck on surveillance and militarism, and they are owned by the banks, but I'm curious about the whole freedom thing.)

bgamall4 says

Both sides are very near the same. I generally choose the lesser of two evils

Except when it comes to Islam and Zionists.

HydroCabron says

Bt the way: what have the Dems banned you from doing lately?

I'm with the evil liberals on this. The Republicans behave like tyrants when it comes to shoving their religion down someones throat. Butt out.

lostand confused says

Umm Kim is the modern day racist asking blacks to stand in the back of the bus. Blacks sitting with others changes the natural order of things and of course they should be separated and gays can't amrry.

The institution of marriage is eroded if you turn it from family values, into anyone can marry anything just because they really want (love) to. Like George Carlyn said, our lives are too comfortable, so we let problems pile up until one day we won't be able to bear it when it all comes crashing down.

Gays should not marry. You can love whoever you want, you can't marry every thing over the arbitrary age of 18.

FortWayne says

The institution of marriage is eroded if you turn it from family values,

The institution of marriage is already on a death spiral. Most children are born out of wedlock. Christians over time have accepted this, even though their religion bans sex outside of marriage, and likewise will accept gay marriage over time.

anonymous says

There you go again - get it - a Ronny R. for you - anyway who defined these values? Is gay marriage or some bimbo marrying for money the worst problem in this country right now? Divorce is a family value ?

All of those things are bad and we should work on trying to fix these, instead of piling more problems onto them. One wrong does not make another wrong a right.

As far as who defined these values? Our Judeo-Christian society defined those values, our laws and our morality is based right on that.

HydroCabron says

Bt the way: what have the Dems banned you from doing lately? (I know they suck on surveillance and militarism, and they are owned by the banks, but I'm curious about the whole freedom thing.)

The eminazi crap is on the dems. They are responsible of the breakup of the American family. Equality means you work and get ahead-not spread your legs to the richest man and suck him dry till the kid turns 18 or marry him for 10 years and get half-when all you did was enjoy shopping trips to paris and sleep with the cabana boy.

I also read today that Kentucky gained some 183,000 Republican voters since the 2008 election but only 24,000 Democrat voters.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which sued her on behalf of the couples she turned away, questioned the validity of the licenses, asked the judge to order her to reissue them or consider punishing her again.

Democrats make up 65 percent of the county's 14,000 registered voters, but Davis' switch is not a huge surprise because many Kentucky Democrats still represent the party of decades ago, which was long dominated by rural whites with conservative values. But the state's Democrats have grown frustrated with the national party's shift on social and environmental issues, embracing gay marriage and abortion rights while acknowledging climate change and supporting new emission standards for coal-fired power plants.

Registered Democrats still outnumber registered Republicans in Kentucky. But since 2008, when Barack Obama was elected president, Republicans have added 183,635 registered voters in Kentucky while Democrats have added 23,957 during the same time period.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/26/kentucky-clerk-kim-davis-switching-parties-to-become-republican/?intcmp=hplnws

From CH today at https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/09/26/diversity-proximity-sharia-law/ :

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September 26, 2015 by CH
A national survey of Muslims living in America found that:

a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” When that question was put to the broader U.S. population, the overwhelming majority held that shariah should not displace the U.S. Constitution (86% to 2%).

Ben Carson said nothing wrong.

CAIR mau maus are a fifth column in America. Hoax bomb maker Ahmud and his family, and those like him, as well as the anti-White equalist leftoid media which provides a favorable platform for their America-loathing agit-prop, are bad news. Letting them into this country by the millions is a mistake we will pay for dearly in time.

But hey, Colbert is on to snark about Kim Davis so have a laugh and slip into the recline position, everything’s gonna be alright for one more day.

"

I have to agree with that. we all know Kim was going against the law and therefore got punished swiftly according to the law. No issues here, nobody was hurt or otherwise significantly disadvantaged (you're not having any real problems if not being able to get married right this minute is your biggest concern). Yet the media can't stop talking about and ridiculing a nobody (Davis) whose case was handled swiftly. Meanwhile we have real problems everywhere in the world, such as parallel legal systems, beatings, rape because of far worse ideologies as someone who thinks gay people should not get married, and nobody gives a fuck, the media is silent and the social justice wankers cheer everyone arriving in the west with an ideology that is diametrically opposed to western tradition and culture.

What the irony and pants on head stupidity is the double standards we set here in America to minorities and people of different religions. We can't have any kind of reference to Jesus Christ in schools, but we allow Muslims time to pray to Mecca every day. Kids can't bring knives to school, unless they are Sikh. Black people are allowed to be racist pricks all day long, but if a white person says the word nigger they get to spend half the day on msnbc being publicly shamed. This is truly the end of times for western society. We should let our mistakes serve as warnings to future generations that multiculturalism doesn't work.

epitaph says

This is truly the end of times for western society. We should let our mistakes serve as warnings to future generations that multiculturalism doesn't work.

America is the "melting pot" of the world. No matter how much you stir the pot, it will still be the "melting pot"

Strategist says

America is the "melting pot" of the world. No matter how much you stir the pot, it will still be the "melting pot"

Homosexuality isn't really a "melting pot" thing, it's just one of those things societies work hard to eliminate, like other problems such as robberies, rape, and various petty crime.

FortWayne says

it's just one of those things societies work hard to eliminate, like other problems such as robberies, rape, and various petty crime.

Umm, those are things that affects others. How does two dudes or women going at it affect you? That is just jihadi thinking-though the jihaidsts take it one level beyond-matched by the Christian lunatics in Uganda.

FortWayne says

Strategist says

America is the "melting pot" of the world. No matter how much you stir the pot, it will still be the "melting pot"

Homosexuality isn't really a "melting pot" thing, it's just one of those things societies work hard to eliminate, like other problems such as robberies, rape, and various petty crime.

Being gay is genetic. You cannot wake up one day and say ........I'm gonna be bad and have sex with another man. You cannot get sexually aroused by another man, if you are not gay. Almost all societies have discriminated gays to affect a change in behavior, which never worked. We live in a world that is quickly embracing secularism. What gays do, has no effect on our lifestyle, just let them be.

Strategist says

Being gay is genetic. You cannot wake up one day and say ........I'm gonna be bad and have sex with another man

That's like saying being a murderer is genetic, as well as rape. That's not an excuse for socially undesirable behavior.

Besides homosexuality just like everything else can be taught. It isn't as genetic as liberals like to sell it to be, because if it was than show me the gene that they have that makes them go gay, science is advanced they can pinpoint those things. But there isn't a gay gene, because it's not genetic, it's learned. It's pure basic perversion and stupidity. Just like drugs and alcohol and other stupid crap, some asshole makes it sounds cool on tv and sheep do the same.

FortWayne says

Strategist says

Being gay is genetic. You cannot wake up one day and say ........I'm gonna be bad and have sex with another man

That's like saying being a murderer is genetic, as well as rape. That's not an excuse for socially undesirable behavior.

Besides homosexuality just like everything else can be taught. It isn't as genetic as liberals like to sell it to be, because if it was than show me the gene that they have that makes them go gay, science is advanced they can pinpoint those things. But there isn't a gay gene, because it's not genetic, it's learned. It's pure basic perversion and stupidity.

FortWayne, there has to be a genetic component to this. If I saw a complete act of male gay sex, I would be disgusted, turned off, and may not get an erection for a whole damn month. If I see 2 lesbians go at it, I get an erection in 10 seconds.
Check this out:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22429963-700-gay-gene-discovery-has-good-and-bad-implications/
Gay gene discovery has good and bad implications
The finding that male homosexuality has a strong genetic component should be a boon for gay rights – but it could backfire

It's a good article. Sounds like they are discussing the "what if it is a gene and not a life style choice." It's an interesting philosophical what if. If the gene is found, we as society would be obligated to fix the gene through medicine.

I really don't think they will ever find a gene, because I truly believe it is a lifestyle choice and no such gene exists. If poor nations have a lot less of it, while wealthy nations like ours (where people are born out of their own mind with too much wealth and drugs), it's a sign that it's a learned lifestyle choice. Otherwise the percentages of it would be quite equal among all nations.

FortWayne says

I saw a complete act of male gay sex, I would be disgusted, turned off, and may not get an erection for a whole damn month. If I see 2 lesbians go at it, I get an erection in 10 seconds.

Here is an interesting thought. I'd be just as equally disgusted by the former, however latter would also disgust me. I wonder if that's generational, raised Catholic we were just raised to think such behavior as terrible.

And it's why it might be that our society on that slippery slope to hell. Food for thought. In history books it's well documented, Roman empire got too prosperous, and family values were all but gone. I remember learning about this in College and being completely terrified of this happening in America. There were men renting boys, because that was a sign of dominance and wealth in that society. Prostitution was plenty, and society fell apart because no normal person cared to work to improve it, for it was not a society worth working/fighting for.

Looking at hillary's government emails...

HydroCabron says

Bt the way: what have the Dems banned you from doing lately?

Getting to the bottom of Benghazi via hillary's emails...

HydroCabron says

Bt the way: what have the Dems banned you from doing lately?

So all this ruckus started with a libby...go figure...

thunderlips11 says

Rowan County clerk Kim Davis, 50, who has said her beliefs as an Apostolic Christian prevent her from issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples, said they had changed parties last week. She was a long-time Democrat in eastern Kentucky.

FortWayne says

I remember learning about this in College and being completely terrified....

What "College" was that?

anonymous says

I know I shouldn't but what the hell - drugs and alcohol like in abuse/abuser/addict/alcoholic are a learned behavior because someone saw something or someone else and thought it was "cool" ? The grade schools must be filled with young malleable minds whose dreams when they grow up are to be addicted to something.....

Yes young minds can be taught to believe anything and everything. It's why some people grow up morally right, and some grow up like Bernie Madoff who think living a life of theft and fraud is totally acceptable. Everything is that way, alcohol, drugs, homosexuality, everything.

Bt the way: what have the Dems banned you from doing lately? (I know they suck on surveillance and militarism, and they are owned by the banks, but I'm curious about the whole freedom thing.)

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Ever hear of ppaca?

The dems took away my freedom to be healthy and wealthy, by forcing me to fork over my fruits of labor, to the "evil corporations" that masquerade as 'health' 'insurance' entities.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness be damned

FortWayne says

Strategist says

Being gay is genetic. You cannot wake up one day and say ........I'm gonna be bad and have sex with another man

That's like saying being a murderer is genetic, as well as rape.

Actually, not to open up a whole new can of worms.........genes have been identified that make you prone to committing crime. My guess, these studies are not welcome by society because of political correctness.
If you think about it, ALL our physical characteristics and personalities, and instincts are inherited. (excluding genetic mutation)

anonymous says

Kind of sort of but to the larger degree he is still the same as before sans the substance. The thought process, behavior, manipulation, compulsive lying - this is how he functions and gets through life.

"Dry Drunk" - one of the best terms I learned in my adult life.

anonymous says

Strategist says

ALL our physical characteristics and personalities, and instincts are inherited

Someone can learn not be an insufferable bitch provided their is sufficient motivation (reward) but I would venture that even this is only window dressing and the real persona lies in wait.

People have a whole subset of personalities and instincts controlled by our genes. We have an ability to do bad things, and an ability to do good things. We are also prone to brain washing, which can bring out the best in us or the worst in us.
I'm sorry about your brother.

curious2 says

FortWayne says

I remember learning about this in College and being completely terrified....

What "College" was that?

I am genuinely curious about this, and Forthood won't answer because he Ignores me. If someone he doesn't Ignore might ask him, or if anybody can remember him posting, I would like to know. I suspect that the guaranteed student loan program becomes (along with religious organizations' tax exempt status) a mechanism by which government is used to subsidize religious indoctrination rather than education. Forthood lies endlessly, but he seems genuinely to believe his ignorant comments about Roman history, and I wonder if those result from his own "terrified" misreading or deliberate manipulation or both. Certain Vatican-dominated institutions have been notorious for producing phony sophistry dressed up in the guise of science, and I wonder if they have been trying to revise history the same way, or if this came from one of the newer competitors (Oral Roberts "Liberty" "University" etc.).

anonymous says

I know I shouldn't ask this but once again, what the hell. Do you recall anyone ever saying to you or anyone else in grade school, high school or college - man - those alcoholics are cool, I mean check out the way they die dude and how many lives they fuck up in the process, same for the addicts. Man - that's the life for me - fuck that normal bullshit - I want my life and everyone's around me to be a living hell.

It's coming to the television near you. I saw a John Oliver episode, it was the one on college debt, at the end he asked Americans to have more gay sex. Think about it, a man on television telling Americans, fairly young and stupid probably to go have more homosexual sex. Teaching is starting now that is legal, you wouldn't hear that on television say 5 years ago, when it was still a social tabu.

FYI:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/P8pjd1QEA0c (around 15:15)

Fort Wayne, you're entering Poe territory now. How many teenagers do you think watch John freakin' Oliver?

"Hey man, did you get the 6 pack?"
"Oh yeah. And the two girls are gonna throw a rock at the window at 10PM."
" Cool, let's sneak them down into the basement and watch political commentary shows."

FortWayne says

he asked Americans to have more gay sex

And the end result will be that people who want to have gay sex will have gay sex. I'm not worried, I won't turn gay. You shouldn't worry either if you're not already gay. I'm pretty sure non-gay people won't feel pressured into having gay sex. It'll never be our patriotic duty. Unless, or course. You're already gay.

FortWayne says

It's coming to the television near you. I saw a John Oliver episode, it was the one on college debt, at the end he asked Americans to have more gay sex. Think about it, a man on television telling Americans, fairly young and stupid probably to go have more homosexual sex. Teaching is starting now that is legal, you wouldn't hear that on television say 5 years ago, when it was still a social tabu.

He also encourages people to ride a unicycle from class to class, drink beer out of a funnel and to shoot fireworks out of any available orifice. I'd worry more about the burns, head trauma and alcohol poisoning consequences of those over those of a few gay sex acts.

Holy Crap! Pope met with Kim Davis.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/30/pope-francis-meeting-kim-davis-religious-freedom

I guess when a priest or bishop ordains women or marries gays, the Pope will be like "Well, it's freedom of religious conscience" and not remove or defrock them.

thunderlips11 says

Holy Crap! Pope met with Kim Davis.

Cardinal Mahoney, the thug who protected pedophile priests, had a special place at one of the Pope's events.
All these religious people think it's they who get to determine morals for themselves and others. They don't meet my moral standard, I therefore request them to go to hell.

New Renter says

He also encourages people to ride a unicycle from class to class, drink beer out of a funnel and to shoot fireworks out of any available orifice. I'd worry more about the burns, head trauma and alcohol poisoning consequences of those over those of a few gay sex acts.

So if that's ok, why don't you go on television and tell people to go murder someone, see how long before you get cut off and in jail? Why? Because people do what they are told, and we all know that. It's just you guys like gay stuff, so naturally you don't see a problem with it, the rest of us are not into it so we naturally want it out of society.

FortWayne says

New Renter says

He also encourages people to ride a unicycle from class to class, drink beer out of a funnel and to shoot fireworks out of any available orifice. I'd worry more about the burns, head trauma and alcohol poisoning consequences of those over those of a few gay sex acts.

So if that's ok, why don't you go on television and tell people to go murder someone, see how long before you get cut off and in jail? Why? Because people do what they are told, and we all know that. It's just you guys like gay stuff, so naturally you don't see a problem with it, the rest of us are not into it so we naturally want it out of society.

Wow, you equate the morality of advocating gay sex to advocating murder?

Although to be fair most religions have condoned - indeed directly committed murder for people who engage in gay sex. So your morality is par for the course.

FortWayne says

I wonder if that's generational, raised Catholic we were just raised to think such behavior as terrible.

"Pope Francis On Gays: Who Am I To Judge Them?"

FortWayne says

Roman empire... I remember learning about this in College and being completely terrified of this happening in America.

About Rome, read John Boswell (who chaired the history department at Yale) or any list of "the five good emperors," of whom one was gay exclusively (Hadrian) and three were bisexual.

Again, if someone Forthood doesn't Ignore can get him to name which "College" he claims to have attended, it will be possible to check whether they really teach what he claims, and whether they get government funding.

Ultimately though, aside from counting himself more Catholic than the Pope (and thus demonstrating once again Dan's epiphany thread), he is merely a Larry Craig closet case who gets off by flagellating himself and trolling. He used the same "FortWayne" screen name to troll SFGate.com the same way, until they kicked him off. PatNet being a "free speech zone" (now with enhanced Ignorance functionality), he can continue indefinitely.

Meanwhile, notice Kim Davis got married to three different men but had kids with only one of them (and he was not her husband at the time). So, with 2/3 of her husbands, she had no kids, even though she's obviously fertile. If the photos and videos are any indication, she's not exactly the prize pig at the fair, so who are those guys getting married to her? Forthood. And to the surprise of no one, she and her current husband (who is not the father of her kids) are registering as Republicans, specifically so they can have the power to impose their religious strictures on others through force of law. Larry Craig, Jerry Sandusky, Dennis Hastert, Florida Rep. Foley, Ted Haggard, George Rekers, and others are not the exceptions: they are part of a pattern, wherein closet cases and their scared wives account for half the Republican primary voters and probably a substantial share of religious fundamentalists worldwide. These religions spread by reproduction, violence, and lies, not persuasion; so, Forthood can continue lying all day long and expect his omnipotent ego extension to reward him for that.

curious2 says

she's not exactly the prize pig at the fair, so who are those guys getting married to her?

Not exactly the prized pigs either.

New Renter says

Although to be fair most religions have condoned - indeed directly committed murder for people who engage in gay sex. So your morality is par for the course.

A sin is a sin, you got that right. Like points on your driving record.