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If this had been some self-hating closet Gay with a strong Christian or Hassidic upbringing, all we would hear about is dangerous Christianity.

Becaues he's Muslim, we're all exaggerating, nuts, imbeciles, etc.

P N Dr Lo R says

mell says

atheists. communists and cultural marxists have committed as much if not more crimes in recent history.

In all of history.

Isn't this disrespectful to the smaller number of people killed by non-atheist non-Marxists? Aren't we minimizing their deaths?

Turtledove?

P N Dr Lo R says

Doesn't surprise me a bit. They always seem especially hysterical--well, a lot like Dan in fact.

thunderlips11 says

If this had been some self-hating closet Gay with a strong Christian or Hassidic upbringing, all we would hear about is dangerous Christianity.

Becaues he's Muslim, we're all exaggerating, nuts, imbeciles, etc.

And it's really not that hard. The majority of people in the world, no matter whether atheist, agnostic or religious are peaceful. When certain cultures/movements/religions create a temporary imbalance (a skew towards violence) and threaten a country's peace/traditions and/or economic stability, then you simply limit or ban their influx until they sort out their issues. That's really the essence of the current anti-immigration and patriotic movements. There are always people who either react with radical "solutions" or do nothing (for different reasons/agendas), while ironically calling those with the most practical and effective solutions 'racist', 'bigot', 'divisive' or 'radical'.

thunderlips11 says

would hear about is dangerous Christianity

That's the funniest thing I've seen you write.

YesYNot says

That's the funniest thing I've seen you write.

Where do I come up with this whacky shit?

Kind of odd that the Christian countries have no penalties for being gay, but the Muslim ones do.

The only exception is sparsely populated Caribbean Countries populated by Blacks, and Indonesia.

Hillary's top donors have the death penalty for Homosexuality. Will she give back the money? Hmmm

Once upon a time I was waiting for the bus to get back from work. Some crazy dude was flapping around in the street. He came up to me and was like "THEY tried to hit on me. Those FAGGOTS!"

He had just come from Ramrod down the street. Nevermind the naked sweaty dudes on the posters outside, but what kind of dumbass do you have to be to go to a club called Ramrod, I mean the only bigger giveaway would have been calling it the Blue Oyster, and not expect Gayness?

He ran out in the middle of the street and reached out and bashed somebody's side mirror. That's when the bus came. Disturbing to see self-hate in all it's glory.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

Timothy Mcveigh = 168

Did you forget about 9/11, which involved I think six? 3,000?

Or do you not consider that a technical act of terrorism?

Omar has been married, and has a kid, so he's been heterosexual at least some of the time and likely not gay.

Those trailer trash up on the Treasure Coast will fuck anything.

anonymous says

mment 62

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

but since he is white, and not muslim.... crickets about the deeper meaning...

Would it make a difference if he was any race and not Muslim ? You seem to be equally bigoted to white people.

bullshit. I make a comparison, so you can see the difference response, and you try to paint me with your racisms.

It’s problematic to use the Mateen family presence in America to bolster a forward-looking immigration policy that would ban Muslim immigrants “until we find out what’s going on”, as Trump puts it, because the father was highly politically and culturally active in observable media and the son, somewhat the same, was interviewed twice by the FBI. It can’t be written off to a liberal bias that the FBI didn’t turn up sufficient evidence to detain or deport the son unless one argues that he should have been waterboarded two years in advance of committing a terrorist act or that the entire family shouldn’t have been allowed to immigrate at a time when we were supporting their plight. The point is that if there is nothing actionable “going on”, which was evidently the case here, then the only instructive lesson is to ban Muslim immigrants and deport Muslim Americans regardless of their observable history. Detention, internment, vetting, investigation, torture and interrogation will not be any guarantee. Some will argue that we will be safer, and that the guarantee is a strawman. Perhaps. Others will argue that this is just shutting the barn door after the horse has left. Remember, though, this was a politically and culturally robust family that immigrated in the 80s and its terrorist son was investigated at least twice. Given those two facts, objectively consider how we should be instructed by this. What was wrongly done? Where is the mistake that needs correction?

neplusultra57 says

What was wrongly done? Where is the mistake that needs correction?

We need to treat potential terrorists under a different set of laws. Giving them the same rights as ordinary criminals is the mistake that needs correction.

Co-worker: Mateen unhinged, homophobic. Complained ot PIC bosses at G4S, they did nothing.
http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/crime/2016/06/12/who-omar-mateen/85791280/

anonymous says

bullshit. I make a comparison, so you can see the difference response, and you try to paint me with your racisms.

Bullshit - Based on what I've read since you started posting you seem to have that category locked up tighter than a frog's asshole and that's waterproof.

Paint you with my racisms ? How's your stand up act going these days ?

"muslims are assholes"
"hey that's racist"
"no, I'm not the racist, you are!"

got it, thanks for the laugh! go blow ironvagina now!

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/06/12/left-chose-islam-gays-now-100-people-killed-maimed-orlando/

A lot of people laughed at Donald Trump when he suggested a temporary ban on Muslims entering the country. No doubt they thought he was further harming his chances in the general election.

No one is laughing now. What’s more, I expect many are quietly wondering if the “temporary” ban might have to be permanent. Western capitalist democracy gave women and gays equal footing in society; Islam has arrived to roll the clock back.

Only one presidential candidate is being honest about it, which is why, if you are gay, there’s really only one choice in this election. (It was Latino night at the gay club, incidentally — Hispanics may wish to consider that, too.)

We’ve also learned in the past few hours that the killer was already being watched by the FBI. This happened in Brussels, too. Both times, the security services dropped the ball. Something tells me that they’d be a lot more vigilant, and a lot less lenient to their surveillance targets, under a Trump administration.

It’s not just gay people under threat. Atheist satirists in the west now live in fear of being executed because they drew the wrong cartoon. Women face the terrifying prospect of being attacked at night for wearing a short skirt.

Quigley says

A lot of people laughed at Donald Trump when he suggested a temporary ban on Muslims entering the country. No doubt they thought he was further harming his chances in the general election.

No one is laughing now.

No, we aren't laughing. we are sad for the tragedy in Orlando. BUT that doesn't change the fact that the Donald Trump ban is fucking stupid. This guy was
BORN IN THE USA. So, the Donald Trump ban wouldn't have done anything. Nada. Zip.

Unless, in addition to banning any muslims from coming in, your new plan is to kick out the several million muslims already living here, and anybody from the middle east, cause hell, even if they aren't muslim you can't be too sure...

it is really hard to fathom how fucking stupid you are.

We need simple solutions. Like a ban on Muslims. Like a 1,989-mile wall on the border.

Not complex liberal faggot measures like forbidding mentally-ill fucktards from buying weapons.

HydroCabron says

Not complex liberal faggot measures like forbidding mentally-ill fucktards from buying weapons.

Okay, what specifically? What are the specific requirements you suggest that aren't already in place? Felons, check. Certified wackos, check. How do you propose you go about knowing, further, the dark thoughts that might exist in another person's head?

Obligatory:

Strategist says

neplusultra57 says

What was wrongly done? Where is the mistake that needs correction?

We need to treat potential terrorists under a different set of laws.

Carefully and completely define “potential terrorist” and the “different set of laws” that should apply. Bear in mind that everyone is a potential terrorist and that Omar Mateen, having been twice investigated by the FBI was able under current law to legally obtain weapons to commit his crime. The definition of “potential terrorist” will be of no meaning if it fails to describe Timothy McVeigh, Nidal Hasan, Dylann Roof, Robert Dear, Omar Mateen, and the San Bernadino shooters.

turtledove says

How do you propose you go about knowing, further, the dark thoughts that might exist in another person's head?

To begin with: private sellers are not required to run background checks.

Why are you commenting on this incident? By focusing on an event with a large number of deaths, aren't you showing disrespect for those who died in single-victim shootings?

turtledove says

Okay, what specifically? What are the specific requirements you suggest that aren't already in place? Felons, check. Certified wackos, check. How do you propose you go about knowing, further, the dark thoughts that might exist in another person's head?

Right now, anybody can buy a used gun with no check whatsoever. They can buy from private parties at gun shows with no check whatsoever.

Right now, and Obama just answered questions about this, people who are on the "no fly terrorist watch list" can still buy guns.

We can discuss later if anybody really needs a 50 round clip for assault style weapons, I'm pretty sure i've got my home covered with my 12 round pump shotgun and my 15 in a clip 45, but your needs might just need all 50 rounds, go figure.

neplusultra57 says

Strategist says

neplusultra57 says

What was wrongly done? Where is the mistake that needs correction?

We need to treat potential terrorists under a different set of laws.

Carefully and completely define “potential terrorist”

Those who sympathize with ISIS and hate America.

neplusultra57 says

“different set of laws” that should apply.

Laws that would stop these bastards. Remove their human rights.

neplusultra57 says

The definition of “potential terrorist” will be of no meaning if it fails to describe Timothy McVeigh, Nidal Hasan, Dylann Roof, Robert Dear, Omar Mateen, and the San Bernadino shooters.

I don't agree.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

They can buy from private parties at gun shows with no check whatsoever.

And which states allow you to own it without registering it? How many attacks have been traced to guns acquired at gun shows? I'm quite shocked to learn how many of the real wackos get their guns following all the rules. Funny how those rules don't seem to do anything to eliminate the real crazies from acquiring weapons. It's particularly impressive how often it happens in places with the strictest rules.

HydroCabron says

Why are you commenting on this incident? By focusing on an event with a large number of deaths, aren't you showing disrespect for those who died in single-victim shootings?

Well now that is a rather dishonest take on the previous conversation. Perhaps you need to go back and reread the posts. What I said is that it is in poor taste to justify one attack by citing another attack. Your comment is beneath you.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

"muslims are assholes"

"hey that's racist"

"no, I'm not the racist, you are!"

Given that Islam is a religion and not a race, that is correct.

"I hate Catholicism!"
"Then You are a racist against Filipinos, Irish, Brazilians, Corsicans, Cape Verde Islanders, etc. etc...."

Islam is a religious idea, not a race.

Given the joke where hundreds of thousands if not millions of people, as well as countless tons of cocaine, heroin, and marijuana come across the border on a regular basis, color me skeptical that we can control for 9mm pistols.

I would be hilarious if we got gun control, and when it didn't work the Gun Grabbers called for a 30 foot border wall.

By the way was the dude taking a selfie for the after life?

Double Standards?

Strategist says

Those who sympathize with ISIS and hate America.

Incomplete. But Joe McCarthy would approve.

Strategist says

Laws that would stop these bastards.

That's not a dispositive statement. Gun control. Immigration control. Killing all American Muslim men under the age of 60. Those are dispositive statements

Strategist says

Remove their human rights.

Dispositive but vague. I doubt it matters to many here, but that's the exact route the Nazi's took.

Strategist says

I don't agree.

Then our nation is properly grateful that you are not a lawmaker. As bad as our current Congress is even they understand that laws which address crime address the criminal act and not accidental attributes of the criminals.

Being a Muslim is hardly accidental.

Americans are going crazy over Islam after 50 gays were killed.

Don't they remember when those Christians refused to bake a cake?

Obama will probably say something about how this is a "gun control" issue. Same old bullshit from the white house is expected. He has too much ego to say that he is failing to keep this nation safe from Muslim extremism as a president, especially after he advertised the gay shit all over the world. Was posturing for Putin, oh look how poorly they treat homos, well lookie here. Dumb ass president.

DOn't impress us with all your great insights at once FortWayne.

Pace yourself.

Quigley says

Being a Muslim is hardly accidental.

Sure it is, just like most religious people's choice of faith, it's an accident of birth (note I didn't say all).

P N Dr Lo R says

Doesn't surprise me a bit. They always seem especially hysterical--well, a lot like Dan in fact.

Translation: Having gotten my ass kicked so many times, I've resorted to pure ad hominem attacks. They are easier than addressing my opponent's arguments.

P N Dr Lo R says

mell says

atheists. communists and cultural marxists have committed as much if not more crimes in recent history.

In all of history.

The opinions of people with no grasp on history should only be laughed at. Anyone with even common sense will know the above statement is bullshit.

thunderlips11 says

If this had been some self-hating closet Gay with a strong Christian or Hassidic upbringing, all we would hear about is dangerous Christianity.

Becaues he's Muslim, we're all exaggerating, nuts, imbeciles, etc.

Only in the left media. I've consistently stated that religion, all religion, is bad regardless of the specific mythology. Islam today is exactly like Christianity was in the Dark Ages before rationalists and atheists neutered it in the western world. Of course then, Islam is even worse than Christianity. Their followers are more faithful. Faith is evil. Faith by its very nature demands the suspension of critical thought, skepticism, and changing one's mind. It is ludicrous that faith in anything is ever considered a good thing.

HydroCabron says

Isn't this disrespectful to the smaller number of people killed by non-atheist non-Marxists? Aren't we minimizing their deaths?

There is nothing wrong with stating facts. However, twisting facts into stating things that they don't is wrong. The few states used as examples of genocidal atheists and Marxists is not at all evidence that atheists and Marxists are genocidal just like mustaches don't cause genocide. Stalin and Mao did not kill people because of atheism, but solely because of political power. Need I remind you that the Christian and capitalistic American colonies and USA committed dozens of genocides. At least human greed and capitalism can rightfully be blamed for those genocides, and Christianity was in the very least used as an excuse for slaughtering Native Americans.

Another day, another failed attempt at keeping Americans safe by the LOSERS that comprise the American Homeland Security network.

In the fifteen years since 9/11, that would make a grand total of ZERO acts of terrorism thwarted by these failed losers, in return for all the freedom we've been forced to give up, and the trillions of taxpayer dollars wasted.

It's beyond time to demilitarize the police state and defund the domestic spying networks.

The biggest morons on the planet are the people saying "how could they have missed this guy? The FBI looked at him three times!"

Yea, well, idiots, the FBI etc wastes so much time spying on everyone all the time, that it is literally impossible to ever catch anyone. Proven by the fact that ZERO acts of domestic terrorism have been thwarted in the fifteen years since 9/11

thunderlips11 says

Kind of odd that the Christian countries have no penalties for being gay, but the Muslim ones do.

It used to before it was neutered. It's not surprising at all that cultures in which the power of religion and faith have diminished greatly are the ones with more liberty and fewer injustices. There are still laws being enforced in the US against homosexuality and gay people being arrested.

Last week, the Advocate reported some troubling news out of Louisiana: Since 2011, at least a dozen men have been arrested on a count of “attempted crimes against nature”—that is, an offer to have sex with another man. Even worse, the arrests were part of a sting operation in which undercover officers propositioned men, lured them into an apartment, then promptly arrested them and brought them to jail. The latest arrest occurred on July 18.

Still it's better than the treatment that occurred not so long ago when gays were castrated and lobotomized.

More than any other mental institution in the United States, Atascadero State Hospital (photograph) was a chamber of horrors for homosexuals. The tag "Homosexual Dachau" was well-earned for its forced lobotomies, castrations and brutal treatments practiced at that facility. Hundreds of gays and lesbians were forcibly sent by their families to be cured of homosexuality which, as recently as the early 1970s, was considered a sexual and psychological disorder.

The 1950's were an especially dark time for homosexuals. Because of the witch hunts by Senator Joseph McCarthy, Americans started passing horrible and oppressive laws against homosexuality. Same-sex behavior was linked to treason and Communism in that period. Ironically, Senator McCarthy had many homosexual aides at the time led by lawyer Roy Cohen. As the witch hunt spread across America, homosexuals with no politics were sent to the worst institutions imaginable.

Even up until 1971, simply being a homosexual could result in a life sentence. Twenty states had laws stating that the mere fact you were a homosexual was reason for imprisonment. In California (of all places) and Pennsylvania, we could be put away for life in a mental hospital. In seven states castration was permitted as a way to stop homosexual 'deviants.'

It's no coincidence that as fewer people attended church and religion lost its grasp on the general population, these atrocities stopped happening.

thunderlips11 says

Americans are going crazy over Islam after 50 gays were killed.

Don't they remember when those Christians refused to bake a cake?

Obviously Islamic terrorism is far worse, but that does not justify accepting lesser evils in our society. No one is proposing arresting people for not baking cakes. What should happen is that they should simply lose their business license. Denying service to people for being gay is no different than doing so because of race. How many restaurants used to refuse to serve negros? What happened when we stopped tolerating that? The problem ended. Today no one is refusing to serve blacks at restaurants and no one is protesting over it.

It's called the broken window theory. You don't ignore minor infractions because they lead to far greater ones. If it applies to crime, it should also apply to business practices and police actions.

The fact is that America is experiencing a culture war and anything to do with that culture war gets lots of press.