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And if I'm right, will you admit to it?

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

He's either Muslim or leftist. Those are the crazy once constantly hating America for it's freedoms.

And if you're wrong about that will you admit to it?

jazz_music says

CBOEtrader says

The data disagrees with you.

When the Irish arrived in America and they were denied equality, basic needs went unmet, voila! the data were different. How about that?

Therein lies the point.

Color is never a factor.

There is nothing unusual about "these people."

You are showing your brainwashing. I never said there was something inherently different about "these people" (your quote, not mine). I am merely pointing out statistics.

I personally think its a cultural issue, exacerbated by the welfare plantation system.

Although lower IQ levels and a general inherent tendency towards violence should at least be researched as theories IF ONLY to debunk them and find an answer to the problem. You cant make a case for this being a poverty problem. Poor communities of other cultural groups have no where close to the black community's violent crime rates.

Regardless all of this is besides the point. THE POINT was that legal gun ownership rates are correlated to lower murder rates, although we are unsure if there is causation.

CBOEtrader says

I personally think its a cultural issue, exacerbated by the welfare plantation system.

Although lower IQ levels and a general inherent tendency towards violence should at least be researched as theories IF ONLY to debunk them and find an answer to the problem. You cant make a case for this being a poverty problem. Poor communities of other cultural groups have no where close to the black community's violent crime rates.

I think Jazz is pointing out "racism" as being the primary problem. He does have a point, but racism is not the primary problem as can be seen by President Obama being elected twice. It is just one of the problems.
They could research everything you mentioned, but that is taboo, and will no doubt lead to accusations of racism. Even Blacks who forcefully criticize the negatives of Black society are immediately shut down by Blacks and liberals. We have a serious problem with the Black community, but it's the Black community that won't face facts, and go into denial as can be seen from Jazz's response. Ironically, it hurts the Black society the most.
I think the solution lies with the Black community, and no one else.

rando says

OK, can you all see the "mark as uncivil" link now? Please use it if other users are being uncivil.

Yep, can see it now.

Some are suggesting this is the shooter. Unverified, ofc, but its still more evidence than anything we have for him being a simple "lone wolf".

Remember how MSM reported that the NC comet pizza gunman "liked" alex jones on FB? If there was a shred of right-wing connection for this Vegas shooter to anything right-wing, the MSM would be blaming Trump already.

The best explanation we currently have is that this guy was a left wing activist, who conspired to plan this massacre along with his leftwing friends.

Thanks anonymous dude :)

Here's another videowww.youtube.com/embed/JSq9T8Nuya0

Skip to minute 5:30 wherein the concert goer tell a the story of a Latin couple telling others they would all die tonight. Her conclusion was that this woman had prior knowledge of the shooting.

Far from definitive, but evidence points towards a conspiracy of leftwing terrorists.

FortWayne says

And if I'm right, will you admit to it?

Absolutely. A broken clock is sometimes right.

Now answer the question.

CBOEtrader says

Dan8267 says

It's time to talk about gun control.

These guns are already illegal to own privately.

Gun control is more than making things illegal. It's about control, law enforcement, shutting down production of the guns. Who's making those guns and not tracking them?

CBOEtrader says

Skip to minute 5:30 wherein the concert goer tell a the story of a Latin couple telling others they would all die tonight. Her conclusion was that this woman had prior knowledge of the shooting.

Far from definitive, but evidence points towards a conspiracy of leftwing terrorists.

jazz_music says

Even the conspiracy theorists

The eye witness from the event suggested the conspiracy. Her story is compelling.

Are you suggesting you know more than eye witnesses? Point out data that contradicts this theory, suggest a better theory, or admit you are full of sh*t.

Still no one knows why the gunman rampaged.

Las Vegas shooting: Police admit they are baffled by 'psychopath' Stephen Paddock's motivation for killing spree

ISIS claims Las Vegas concert gunman Stephen Paddock was one of its 'soldiers'; FBI denies report

There's even an article about FortWayne and CBOTrader.

Right-Wing Trolls Misidentify the Las Vegas Shooter

In their eagerness to frame the horrific Las Vegas shooting on Sunday night as a product of leftist anti-Trump zeal, cybertrolls have been pushing false rumors about the identity of the mass murderer.

www.youtube.com/embed/bYtYsLh-pPI

Listen to the experts. Leftist terror activist, possibly even an ISIS connection are both very legit theories.

The lone wolf crazy guy theory doesnt quite fit

So the FBI knows the motive but are not releasing it yet. This wouldn't happen for a clear cut lone wolf / gun nut.

Your first problem is watching Fox News.
www.youtube.com/embed/osUo48JR9kw

www.youtube.com/embed/hdT6d35oxxw

I must admit, this whole thing has been an interesting case to observe out of prejudices, even my own. While I am inclined to subscribe to the commie-TDS theory given the target and Coulter's law, Occam's razor... let's see what is announced and what is actually found. Both sides are eager to gloat.

CBOEtrader says

Listen to the experts. Leftist terror activist, possibly even an ISIS connection are both very legit theories.

So are the theories of the shooter on the grassy knoll, the mafia, and Che Guervo killing Kennedy. At least as creditable also.

PCGyver says

You need to be logged in. When you post as anonymous you can't see it.

Yes, and you need some number of comments and likes.

Brand new users can't mark comments as uncivil.

Dan8267 says

Your first problem is watching Fox News.

I don't watch fox news. I don't even own a TV. I watched Lt Col Shaffer's clip on YouTube and shared it. Are you suggesting Col Shaffer is biased? He may be.

anonymous says

Because he's an angry old white guy and we simply have to have someone else to blame to appease the Dotard in the White House ?

No regardless of his motivation, he is still 99% responsible for his own actions.

That extra 1% of misguided righteousness can and will multiply in society if its not called out though. Today we have an entire community of leftists who rrighteously rationalize violence against trump supporters, etc... Its gross. It needs to stop.

Nothing about this shooter's motivation is definitive. All we know for sure is he was a man who embraced the dark side of life's pain and suffering rather than bearing his personal burdon and thriving. He chose the path of Cain over Able. https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=8172s&v=44f3mxcsI50

CBOEtrader says

I don't watch fox news

And yet you posted a video from Fox News as evidence! Big mistake. Fox News is worse than no news.

PCGyver says

I believe they are suggesting that Fox News is biased but apparently that went over your head

I'm unequivocally stating that Fox News outright lies. It's propaganda, not news. It's not bias; it's pure deception.

Do we know yet if Paddock was taking any prescription drugs?


Nearly 70 percent of Americans are on at least one prescription drug, and more than half take two, Mayo Clinic and Olmsted Medical Center researchers say. Antibiotics, antidepressants and painkilling opioids are most commonly prescribed, their study found.

What a bunch of Failed Losers!

me123 says

Then why do you watch it all the time?

Fox's lies are well documented on other news programs and were exposed quite humorously on The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. Therefore your implication that a person has to be an avid Fox News watcher to know that Fox News is terribly dishonest is simply a lie and a stupid one. However, you do continue to aptly demonstrate the stupidity of the conservative right. Keep it up piggy.

CBOE said "I watched Lt Col Shaffer's clip on you tube"

You watch this YouTube clip, published on October 3, as the source of your October 2 statement that " this guy is a well known leftist activist.… As long as this continues, violence will continue"?

CBOEtrader says

Listen to the experts

Funny they don't speak of the 40 + guns the guy owned. Sounds like they are picking and choosing and stretching. The gunman doesn't strick me as a liberal who wants gun control.

anonymous says

CBOE said "I watched Lt Col Shaffer's clip on you tube"

You watch this YouTube clip, published on October 3, as the source of your October 2 statement that " this guy is a well known leftist activist.… As long as this continues, violence will continue"?

No, but you know that already. Stop being obtuse.

PCGyver says

I believe they are suggesting that Fox News is biased but apparently that went over your head

I am specifically saying i dont care to listen to talking heads. I didnt listen to nor would care about a fox news hosts analysis. What I do care about is the expert statement of Lt Col Shaffer. That is the quote I posted and the one I listened to.

Perhaps that went over your head.

anonymous says

Funny they don't speak of the 40 + guns the guy owned.

He bought $100k worth of guns in just the last few weeks...all in preparation for this event. Then he only used 2 of them? Something doesnt make sense.

Dan8267 says

Fox's lies are well documented on other news programs and were exposed quite humorously on The Daily Show and The Colbert Report.

LOL Daily show and colbert report are both jokes. Literally, jokes. Their purpose is to make you laugh.

The manipulative nature of those shows has been well documented by psychiatrists, but should also be quite apparent to any reasonably minded viewer. Regardless, no talking head news show anchor is worth listening to. The experts they have on their shows may perhaps be worthwhile. Listen to the expert, skip the editorializing of the talking head.

Do I need to teach you guys how to find facts through a narrative? Lol

Reports are out now that Paddock had booked a hotel room overlooking Lollapalooza next. For sure a leftist.

me123 says

So you're going to use radical lefty liberal talk show hosts as your factual basis of Fox?

What you label as radical lefty liberal talk shows cite hard-core, verifiable evidence, and that is all that matters. You labels, like your life, mean nothing.

CBOEtrader says

LOL Daily show and colbert report are both jokes. Literally, jokes. Their purpose is to make you laugh.

Laughing at the stupidity of people dumb enough to believe Fox News is not mutually exclusive with evidence. Example follows.
www.youtube.com/embed/0i8-ZNLEeag

Just because it's a comedy show doesn't mean any of the things in the above video aren't true. What The Daily Show claimed is true and verifiable. The Daily Show cites real evidence unlike any conservative medial including Fox News and Breitbart. What Fox News says is an outright lie and verifiable true. Tell me exactly how Fox News is right on this story and The Daily Show is wrong. Go on, grow a pair and show that. You can't.

This is exactly why people who watch only The Daily Show score highest on domestic and international knowledge whereas those who watch only Fox News score lowest, even lower than those who watch absolutely no news. That is the bottom line.

The Daily Show is completely accurate in its exposure of the utter hypocrisy and lying of Fox News.

#lawyered

Dan8267 says

What you label as radical lefty liberal talk

Where did use this label? You are projecting your own irrationality onto others.

The daily show is manipulative as F. Go read or listen to entire statements from experts or look at the underlying data for yourself. Its not that hard to do

CBOEtrader says

Dan8267 says

What you label as radical lefty liberal talk

Where did use this label? You are projecting your own irrationality onto others.

Are you really that stupid? The very post you quoted in turn quotes piggy using exactly the term "radical lefty liberal talk shows". You seriously need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

Dan8267 says

me123 says

So you're going to use radical lefty liberal talk show hosts as your factual basis of Fox?

What you label as radical lefty liberal talk shows cite hard-core, verifiable evidence, and that is all that matter

CBOEtrader says

The daily show is manipulative as F. Go read or listen to entire statements from experts or look at the underlying data for yourself. Its not that hard to do

Translation: You do not have the balls or the honesty to present even an amateurish argument that The Daily Show was manipulative or dishonest or inaccurate. Nor do you have the balls to rise to the challenge of refuting the specific video I posted above in which The Daily Show exposes the hypocrisy of Fox News with indisputable evidence.

Dan8267 says

Not only has CBOEtrader failed to even assert a single false statement in The Daily Show, but now that I explicitly challenged him to do so in the most famous piece from The Daily Show on Fox News, he will not even try. Even though I'm writing that he does not have the balls to attempt to refute the video I just posted and I'm calling him an intellectual coward because of that, he still won't rise to the challenge. Yes, not even after he reads this post.

But hey, coward, prove me wrong. Tear apart everything in the above clip that you think The Daily Show got wrong and defend Fox News. Go on.

Nailed it.

CBOETrader epically failed to back up his baseless assertions even when challenged directly and explicitly. Conservatives are such predictable cowards. They cannot even be shamed into not shitting their pants and hiding when confronted.

Even though I have thoroughly exposed CBOETrader as a liar and a coward, he still won't grow a pair and refute the above Daily Show segment.

www.youtube.com/embed/72UPxDFPKDs

So now you want someone else to fight your battles? This video doesn't even show that The Daily Show is wrong about Fox News. It's talking about soccer.

You lose.

CBOEtrader is truly a moron. He did a YouTube search for any video condemning The Daily Show. He found a video titled "The Degeneration of the Daily Show" and immediately thought it would prove his point and posted it without even watching the video -- yes, it's obvious that this is what has just happened. However, the video is completely mistitled because the actual content of the video, although it uses tiny fractions of a segment, does not address any arguments against The Daily Show itself. The only thing that it argues is
1. Women's soccer produces less money than men's soccer. (true)
2. Soccer is a business and profits are what matters. (true)
3. The women being interviewed lied about the revenue statistic they cited. (false)
4. The statistic is misleading because it was not representative of normal profit because women had a World Cup game that year. (partially true, partially false. The statistic does not support that women's soccer is more profitable than men's soccer, but it does support their point that sometimes women's soccer produces a profit in a year that men's soccer produces a loss. In business, this is called hedging you bets and it's an important financial strategy. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.)

There is nothing in this video that makes The Daily Show look bad or dishonest even if you disagree with the opinion -- and the key word is opinion -- that women's soccer is important. You can disagree with opinions. You cannot disagree with facts. Fox News tries to disagree with facts. Also, there is nothing hypocritical about The Daily Show in this segment unlike Fox News who's hypocrisy is legendary.

Utter fail, CBOEtrader. You should really watch videos before posting them. The title does not necessarily mean what the video does. You are a fool to have posted this video to support your position without actually watching the video. And if you claim to have watched the video before posting it, I will call you out as a liar yet again.

Another thing. It would be one thing to find a single segment from thousands of segments where a show screws up and says something wrong. That's cherry picking. It's quite another when the business model is lying to the public, creating divisiveness and false outrage, and being completely hypocritical on purpose. That's Fox News. It's nothing like The Daily Show and equating the two and calling it a wash is entirely dishonest. No one who does that should be respected at all. And yes, I mean you CBOEtrader.

Dan is truly a moron. He did a Youtube search for any video condemning Fox news, when NO ONE IS DEFENDING OR ARGUING FOR FOX NEWS.

Yet again Dan, try to address the Lt Col Shaffer source or what he said. Stop trying to move the goal posts, stop trying to project your idiocy on others, stop putting up a fox news strawman.

Ultimately you are pissed that every black/white statement you have made about there being "zero % chance" of the shooter being a radical lefitist having merit.

Focus on the topic. Idgaf about fox news.