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Yeah Manafort is overwhelming odds on favorite.

If this were horse racing of put a 100 to 1 bet on Tony Podesta though.

Probably Manafort - and much of it will lead to Podesta, for whom Manafort was employed.

Meuller's bias will be demonstrated or not as to whether Manafort is arrested and left at only Manafort, or if Manafort's arrest leads to the Podestas, for whom Manafort worked for, including the Podesta Group Clients, associated with Yankuvytch (and thus, Russia).

The Podesta Group belatedly filed several new disclosures with the Justice Department on Aug. 17 related to work the firm completed between 2012 and 2014 on behalf of a pro-Russia Ukrainian think tank.

Back in April, the powerful Washington lobbying firm run by Clinton ally Tony Podesta filed a document admitting its work for the pro-Russia European Centre for a Modern Ukraine may have principally benefited a foreign government. New disclosures revealed dozens of previously unreported interactions the firm made with influential government offices, including Hillary Clinton's State Department and the office of former Vice President Joe Biden, while lobbying on behalf of the center. Embattled ex-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort failed to disclose his extensive lobbying efforts on behalf of the center at the time as well.

Anyone lobbying or doing public relations on behalf of foreign governments is required to register as a foreign agent in compliance with the Foreign Agents Registration Act. The Aug. 17 filings include short-form registration statements for six Podesta Group employees and an amendment to the firm's registration statement that includes a list of political contributions made by relevant employees throughout 2013.

A review of those donations shows both parties received cash from Podesta Group lobbyists.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-do-you-say-whoops-in-russian-podesta-group-retroactively-files-more-doj-disclosures-for-pro-putin-work/article/2632538
It'll be bizarre if Manafort is charged for not disclosing information in a timely manner, but Podesta sails scot free.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Meuller's bias

He's a Republican. To what bias do you refer?

Imagine the Media's Reaction if Trump paid Russian Sources via a third party to develop a Dirty Dossier on his opponents, did it via Michael Cohen and failed to disclose it in FEC paperwork, just a few years after selling 20% of US Uranium to Russia, whose various actors deposited millions in Trump Charity Funds.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Imagine the Media's Reaction if Trump paid Russian Sources via a third party to develop a Dirty Dossier on his opponents, did it via Michael Cohen and failed to disclose it in FEC paperwork, just a few years after selling 20% of US Uranium to Russia, whose various actors deposited millions in Trump Charity Funds.

Will you stop with the dirty dossier nonsense. If Trump paid for oppo research the media would have ignored it because it's standard operating practice.

The only reason it would be dirty is because of Trump's behavior.

Sniper says

Did Donald Trump Jr. break the law by meeting with Russians to gain dirt on Clinton?

I think the jury is still out on that one. Collusion between the President and the Russian government to get elected is big news and this meeting is definitely some evidence so the media obviously covered it.

Here's the key CIC--there is no evidence of any payment for the info that the Russian lawyer was set to provide. Unless you are really naïve, you understand that very few people do things for free--certainly not Russian intelligence. So, the question then becomes, what exactly was promised to the Russian lawyer to get her to arrange this meeting and give up all this intel?

That's why it's different than simply paying for oppo research.

Sniper says

Looks like "include image" link on individual threads disappeared by the Comment box. It only shows on the "New Post" page.

@Sniper thanks for telling me. Should be back now.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Probably Manafort - and much of it will lead to Podesta, for whom Manafort was employed.

I saw this "flow chart" some where else. Anything is possible:

Manafort-->Podestas
Podestas-->Dossier
Dossier-->Clinton Foundation/Cankles/DNC/Uranium 1
All-->Zero (Obama)

I find it hilarious that some of you think Clinton is going to be indicted. NO chance.

Patrick says

@Sniper thanks for telling me. Should be back now.

Thanks Patrick. God forbid we go a day without 1,000 dumb memes on this site.

joeyjojojunior says

. If Trump paid for oppo research the media would have ignored it because it's standard operating practice.

You missed the other points I made that put it in context of other activities. Read it again.

Sniper says

Wait, Trump Jr, sent a few emails and had a short meeting with a Russian Lawyer. Why isn't he in Gitmo right now? He committed a Felony, right?

Yup. DJT Jr. I believe said the recognized in the first few minutes the guy was a crank and ended the meeting.

The problem with the Trump-Russia collusion is there is no quid for the pro quo.

Whereas for the Podesta-Ukraine, Hillary/Clinton Foundation-UraniumOne/Rosneft Affiliates, and Clinton/DNC-Dirty Dossier, there are paper trails and actual transaction evidence for ALL of them

Great job guys. I really have no idea if people could vote multiple times, but we had 34 replies. I couldn't get it to format correctly, so had to take a couple screen shots of the results. Sounds like it's gonna be Manafort. I know this was my personal pick as well. I'm still confused why the indictment was sealed though. I think there is maybe a 20% chance we could be blindsided tomorrow when word breaks.

Who picked Karen and do you know what she's all about? I assume you do or it was a smart ass pick just like me being a smart ass including her in the poll. I'm a little disappointed Barron didn't get any love. But I feel like maybe people took the poll seriously, which isn't bad.

I'm also a little sensitive. Who down voted this thread? Not cool... Not cool.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Yup. DJT Jr. I believe said the recognized in the first few minutes the guy was a crank and ended the meeting.

The problem with the Trump-Russia collusion is there is no quid for the pro quo.

Whereas for the Podesta-Ukraine, Hillary/Clinton Foundation-UraniumOne/Rosneft Affiliates, and Clinton/DNC-Dirty Dossier, there are paper trails and actual transaction evidence for ALL of them

Well, I believe Clinton said that was no quid pro quo on the Uranium deal too, so according to your DJT Jr. standard, I guess that means there is nothing there, right?

I love that you continue with the "dirty" dossier though. Oooh, it's dirty! Must be something there!

WookieMan says

Sounds like it's gonna be Manafort.

That's the way the MSM has been leaning, but they haven't been correct yet on the whole Russian Collusion theme so far, so it could just be a smoke screen. From what I'm reading, if it is Manafort, it will be for financial issues WAY before he was part of the Trump campaign, which wouldn't make sense, if Mueller was ONLY investigating Russia and election issues in 2016.

joeyjojojunior says

Collusion between the President and the Russian government

No evidence trump dis anything of the sort. There is however massive evidence that hillary did exactly that... Yet trump is guilty because of his "behavior" and Clinton is in your tribe, so no biggie.

Did I get that right?

CBOEtrader says

No evidence trump dis anything of the sort. There is however massive evidence that hillary did exactly that... Yet trump is guilty because of his "behavior" and Clinton is in your tribe, so no biggie.

Did I get that right?

Nope, not in the slightest. There is a fair bit of evidence in the public realm and likely much more than hasn't been made public yet.

I've yet to see any evidence of Clinton's collusion, but I'm definitely open to believing it. Please link to whatever evidence I'm missing, but I hope it's not an anonymous source claiming something. McGee has already made clear that all anonymous sources are lying and cannot be trusted.

Looks like MSM is cranking out election meddling involving Trump campaign. Then again, they can simply rehash what they've already been tracking, with the added "news" being a leak of a sealed indictment.

This does read like a momentum recapture attempt in light of the shifting narrative towards the DNC and HRC (and even Mueller himself). That story is enormous and implicates the entire Obama admin and a bunch of Republicans as corrupt and treasonous. A catastrophic failure of government function, national security, and law & order took place there and Russia was a major player. The timing of this indictment is absolutely ridiculous and makes Mueller look that much worse.

It's time for Sessions to shut this farce down and refocus it on the real issues and the real players. The goddamn FBI has been in possession for over a year now of enough evidence to lock HRC up. This is becoming worse than what they had feared by avoiding doing their jobs before the election. The longer they drag this out, the more divided the country becomes, and the more its adversaries lick their chops.

No one should expect anything positive to come out of this for Trump. Mueller's team is filled with Clinton supporters and even Clinton Foundation donors. This investigation is one big legal defense super team assembled to cover up the Obama admin high crimes using all possible resources available to them.

Ok I admit it. I voted twice. 1 serious 1 joke vote. The joke vote was for Debbie. The serious vote for Flynn. This was from quick research that there were two grand juries and seemed like Manafort was not at the Grand jury that indicted. The research lasted all of 3 minutes and probably was flawed.

anon_3dce2 says

No one should expect anything positive to come out of this for Trump. Mueller's team is filled with Clinton supporters and even Clinton Foundation donors. This investigation is one big legal defense super team assembled to cover up the Obama admin high crimes using all possible resources available to them.

Wow making excuses already, huh? Mueller is a Republican.

And the answer is...

Manafort.

joeyjojojunior says

Wow making excuses already, huh?

Let the spin begin. This should be a really hysterically funny exercise in new speak.

Paul Manafort and his former business associate Rick Gates were told to surrender to federal authorities Monday morning, the first charges in a special counsel investigation, according to a person involved in the case.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=66021164&pgtype=Homepage

joeyjojojunior says

And the answer is...

Manafort.

...."The indictment is purely focused on alleged financial crimes and does not include any charges related to the broader question that formed the basis of Mueller's investigation – whether Donald Trump's presidential campaign colluded with Russia to swing the 2016 election in his favor.

It describes criminal allegations that predate the Trump campaign; Trump's name is not mentioned in the 31-page document.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5031419/Paul-Manafort-Rick-Gates-told-SURRENDER.html#ixzz4x08i1Mu8 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Sniper says

I think, if you know how the world works, Manafort was probably steered into the campaign by DC power brokers who wanted a mole inside Trump's campaign.

There is a season spin, spin, spin.

Besides the 18 million, and 800K spent at a clothing store ... how desperate and sad does a 4:37am tweet from Trump look, claiming rambling BS about Fusion GPS and Obama? lol

Big dumb smile on my face right now.

Go deep state. Let the pants peeing commence.

I expect more indictments, just don't know when.

anon_3dce2 says

That story is enormous and implicates the entire Obama admin and a bunch of Republicans as corrupt and treasonous. A catastrophic failure of government function, national security, and law & order took place there and Russia was a major player.

I sincerely hope they throw all of them in prison. Its past time for our politicians to fear stealing from the public.

#draintheswamp

Yea but muh Hilldog Clinton! Waaaaaa

Sniper says

So, the FBI has been investigating Russian involvement for a year and a half, Manafort's house was raided in July, Mueller has a team of like 16 investigators on his crew, and this is the best "Russian Involvement" they could find?

Nope--it's the first shoe to drop. The lowest hanging fruit so to speak.

But don't forget about George Papadopolous:

"One of President Trump's former advisers from his presidential campaign has pleaded guilty to lying to FBI agents investigating allegations of collusion between the Trump presidential campaign and the Russian government, the Department of Justice (DOJ) said Monday.

George Papadopolous, the 30-year-old foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty earlier this month, according to court filings unsealed on Monday. The DOJ unsealed the documents shortly after it announced charges against two other higher-ranking, Trump campaign officials - Paul Manafort and Rick Gates.
Prosecutors charged Papadopolous with lying to investigators about his conversations with a foreign professor who told him that Russians had thousands of emails containing "dirt" on Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.
The Trump aide allegedly told the FBI that those conversations happened before he joined the campaign, statements rebutted by the Justice Department's timeline."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-trump-campaign-adviser-pleads-guilty-to-lying-to-fbi/ar-AAueuS6?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
This looks very interesting. He felt the need to lie about this--why? Has he turned on Trump?

joeyjojojunior says

about his conversations with a foreign professor who told him that Russians had thousands of emails containing "dirt" on Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

Wait, he had "conversations".. Quick - Treason, Felony - sent him for execution NOW!!

Oh wait, it's just oppo research, right?

joeyjojojunior says

The Trump aide allegedly told the FBI that those conversations happened before he joined the campaign,

Oh shit, fake news again..

Damn...

Sniper says

Oh shit, fake news again..

Wow you are really batting 0.000 this morning. That's why he was charged--he LIED about when the meeting took place. It actually happened AFTER he joined the campaign and the Justice department could prove it.

And there’s nothing new. Once Dumbocrats finish jizzing their yoga pants over this stunningly weak indictment, they’ll realize that they just put all their hopes and dreams on a dead horse.

The coming weeks will tell if Mueller is strongarming Manafort for Podesta stuff or just wants Trump dirt.

We'll see!

joeyjojojunior says

Prosecutors charged Papadopolous with lying to investigators about his conversations with a foreign professor who told him that Russians had thousands of emails containing "dirt" on Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.
The Trump aide allegedly told the FBI that those conversations happened before he joined the campaign, statements rebutted by the Justice Department's timeline."

meanwhile Hillary actually had conversations, paid them and got a whole pee pee dossier-this is going to be fun.

Let everyone who did this go to jail-the whole lot of them.

lostand confused says

meanwhile Hillary actually had conversations, paid them and got a whole pee pee dossier-this is going to be fun.

Let everyone who did this go to jail-the whole lot of them.

Sounds good. Trump can have the cell next to Hillary.