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Rew says

Strategist says

Why should we give any aid to countries that don't like us, and don't wish us well?

We help fund the UN, paying for about 22% of it. That's not "direct aid" to countries.

That's the gosh darn neighborhood watch program in the "town we live in", and our town has some rough parts. Sure, we live in the nice area in the hills, though. Yes, we can take our money away. We have a lot of business interest downtown that will suffer first, but no matter. The sad part is eventually the blight will likely creep up into the foothills as well. It will take some time. I'm sure some gangs will move in to setup a new balance of power. But you know what, not our direct neighborhood, so ... F 'em. Right?

Isolationist saber rattling pants wetters. Run away America, run away. It's ok ... the big boys will take over.

I repeat:
Why should we give any aid to countries that don't like us, and don't wish us well?

Strategist says

I repeat:
Why should we give any aid to countries that don't like us, and don't wish us well?

Any takers? Didn't think so.

Especially since only a fraction of that Aid actually gets to poor people.

Most of it gets spent in Paris, Milan, and Gstadt. No wonder the Euros want us to keep giving large amounts of aid, regardless of support.

Fuck the UN.

Rew says

I hope the majority of the UN stands against us.

The mask slips a bit - being cool siding with China, Russia and the Muslim/Arab World against us when it comes to Israel?

socal2 says

The mask slips a bit - being cool siding with China, Russia and the Muslim/Arab World against us when it comes to Israel?

Leftist Democrats have never hid the fact that they have become the party of the false song of globalism. Look at how Leftist have ruined Europe.

Strategist says

I repeat:
Why should we give any aid to countries that don't like us, and don't wish us well?

So, in your mind, countries that "like us" and "wish us well" have to agree with every decision the US makes? Is that how you think friends operate?

Strategist says

I repeat:
Why should we give any aid to countries that don't like us, and don't wish us well?

That would be pretty much every other country on the planet if you're going on that resolution.

Goran_K says

Look at how Leftist have ruined Europe.

Decimated, Destroyed, and have activley sought out to expunge classic History and replace it with a flase narratives on Islamic Barbarians as humanaties champions.

socal2 says

The mask slips a bit - being cool siding with China, Russia and the Muslim/Arab World against us when it comes to Israel?

And every other country on the planet of course.

UN nations will not be voting against the USA, they will be voting against crazy Trump and his crazy middle east policies. There is a difference between Trump and the USA.

Goran_K says

socal2 says

The mask slips a bit - being cool siding with China, Russia and the Muslim/Arab World against us when it comes to Israel?

Leftist Democrats have never hid the fact that they have become the party of the false song of globalism. Look at how Leftist have ruined Europe.

What were the right wingers doing all this time?

You guys always blame everything on the left, have you ever bothered to check and see what the Right is doing?

The UN is like Puerto Rico. They love us a few minutes before and after we hand over the money but only if we don't ask how it is spent. The rest of the time, they spend opposing our every will as Colonialist Toxic White Male Oppressors

To the Many Voices of the Third World, shut the fuck up.

No seriously, if they are going to put their hand in our pockets, the least they can do is give it a little rub once in a while.

justme says

UN nations will not be voting against the USA, they will be voting against crazy Trump and his crazy middle east policies. There is a difference between Trump and the USA.

Crazy policies like this?
www.youtube.com/embed/a8jBFe0Lfuk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl-GHERR9hM
How about "crazy policies" like this when Obama allowed Hezbollah to run massive drug and money laundering schemes in the US to kiss up to the Iranian Mullah's?

"The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook"
https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/obama-hezbollah-drug-trafficking-investigation/

errc says

What were the right wingers doing all this time?

You guys always blame everything on the left, have you ever bothered to check and see what the Right is doing?

On the issue of Globalism, the right is "right" and the left is wrong. Plain and simple.

justme says

There is a difference between Trump and the USA.

Yes, Trump refuses to bow down to all the other world leaders and suck their dicks like Obama did.

Countries which voted against the resolution:

US, Israel, Togo, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Marshall Islands, Guatemala and Honduras

LOL

Textbook idiotic diplomacy.

So good!

Goran_K says

On the issue of Globalism, the right is "right" and the left is wrong

Are you saying that Bush was not a globalist? Since when? Reagan was not a globalist? Since when?

And Trump is not a globalist? He is giving the biggest tax cut to corporations that derive half o their revenue outside of US.

anotheraccount says

Goran_K says

On the issue of Globalism, the right is "right" and the left is wrong

Are you saying that Bush was not a globalist? Since when? Reagan was not a globalist? Since when?

And Trump is not a globalist? He is giving the biggest tax cut to corporations that derive half o their revenue outside of US.

I’m talking about now. As in this time.

As for the other drivel about tax cuts to business, how is letting businesses keep more of their money globalism? I think you are confused.

Afghanistan and Pakistan received about $15B in US Aid. More than a third of total US Aid just to those two countries.

Eithiopia? Shy of a billion.

Guess how they voted? Against the USA.

Let's start working on reducing the deficit.

anon_3b28c says

Strategist says

I repeat:
Why should we give any aid to countries that don't like us, and don't wish us well?

So, in your mind, countries that "like us" and "wish us well" have to agree with every decision the US makes? Is that how you think friends operate?

anon_6ae12 says

That would be pretty much every other country on the planet if you're going on that resolution.

Friends will always disagree at times. It's expected and it's normal. What we are looking for is countries that consistently go against our interests. They are not our friends, and they deserve no aid from us. Fuck Them.

The vote was pretty brutal. ????

Abstentions by Canada, Mexico, Australia, and a few others.

In the past few days, not only did the UN presume to nullify our sovereign right to place our own embassies, but the EU told us our tax reform was unacceptable.

Not only did they want to nullify our sovereignity, but also our democratic elections.

Let that sink in.

#Globalization

Goran_K says

anotheraccount says

Goran_K says

On the issue of Globalism, the right is "right" and the left is wrong

Are you saying that Bush was not a globalist? Since when? Reagan was not a globalist? Since when?

And Trump is not a globalist? He is giving the biggest tax cut to corporations that derive half o their revenue outside of US.

I’m talking about now. As in this time.

As for the other drivel about tax cuts to business, how is letting businesses keep more of their money globalism? I think you are confused.

No you weren’t. You made a general point not one pertaining to a specific example.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

In the past few days, not only did the UN presume to nullify our sovereign right to place our own embassies, but the EU told us our tax reform was unacceptable.

Not only did they want to nullify our sovereignity, but also our democratic elections.

Let that sink in.

#Globalization

Except that’s not what they did. They voiced an opinion, just as the US does constantly around the world.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Afghanistan and Pakistan received about $15B in US Aid. More than a third of total US Aid just to those two countries.

Eithiopia? Shy of a billion.

Guess how they voted? Against the USA.

Let's start working on reducing the deficit.

Er, didn’t you just support the new tax plan? And now you are talking about working on the deficit by quibbling over a few billion in expenditure brought about almost entirely as a consequence of the US’s own disastrous military policies (that in themselves wasted trillions). Go figure.

anon_6ae12 says

Er, didn’t you just support the new tax plan? And now you are talking about working on the deficit by quibbling over a few billion in expenditure brought about almost entirely as a consequence of the US’s own disastrous military policies (that in themselves wasted trillions). Go figure.

I believe he is complaining about wasting money. We should not give handouts to countries that hate us. It's stupid, and it's a waste of money.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

In the past few days, not only did the UN presume to nullify our sovereign right to place our own embassies, but the EU told us our tax reform was unacceptable.

Not only did they want to nullify our sovereignity, but also our democratic elections.

Let that sink in.

#Globalization

Baby blue helmets make good high contrast targets at 200 yards. Very easy to hit even with irons.

anon_6ae12 says

Er, didn’t you just support the new tax plan? And now you are talking about working on the deficit by quibbling over a few billion in expenditure brought about almost entirely as a consequence of the US’s own disastrous military policies (that in themselves wasted trillions). Go figure.

Journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. I don't think America's Economy will be endangered by cutting a few billion from foreign aid. That's hardly a call for austerity. What the hell are we doing in Afghanistan anymore? My God, we've been there for 16 years already. Like 4 WW2s.

Strategist says

anon_6ae12 says

Er, didn’t you just support the new tax plan? And now you are talking about working on the deficit by quibbling over a few billion in expenditure brought about almost entirely as a consequence of the US’s own disastrous military policies (that in themselves wasted trillions). Go figure.

I believe he is complaining about wasting money. We should not give handouts to countries that hate us. It's stupid, and it's a waste of money.

So he’s talking about what I said...

And he said, and at quote, “ let’s start working on reducing the deficit.” Again, funny that he doesn’t say that when talking about the new tax bill.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. I don't think America's Economy will be endangered by cutting a few billion from foreign aid. That's hardly a call for austerity. What the hell are we doing in Afghanistan anymore? My God, we've been there for 16 years already. Like 4 WW2s.

Because the fucking Pakistanis keep supporting the terrorists there. If we took care of Pakistan, Afghanistan would not be a problem anymore.

US foreign “aid” is mostly given to dictators and strongmen who brutally oppress their citizens and give them no choice about foreign policy. These are the best nations to give aid to, as they remain the most loyal to whatever the USA wishes of them in return. Democracies are tough customers, being mainly loyal to their constituents instead of foreign powers offering gifts. US foreign aid mostly is good for helping dictators entrench, pay off their minions who help them remain in power, and helps them continue to ignore the wishes of their population.

The best thing for nearly every nation being given foreign aid by the USA is to have that aid stop forever.

This right here tells you how much trump fails as the country leader. All that money spent buying their votes are wasted because trump has a big mouth and zero diplomatic skill.

Maybe trump should start working for America and not his son in law and the rich Jews who bribe him.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Afghanistan and Pakistan received about $15B in US Aid. More than a third of total US Aid just to those two countries.

Eithiopia? Shy of a billion.

Guess how they voted? Against the USA.

Let's start working on reducing the deficit.

BorderPatrol says

This right here tells you how much trump fails as the country leader. All that money spent buying their votes are wasted because trump has a big mouth and zero diplomatic skill.

And that statement shows just how little you understand of the situation! Obama’s gave untold billions to Pakistan, escalating payments to unchallenged heights to get them to stop the extremists sending fighters into Afghanistan. This failed miserably, as the Pakis realized they could promise America anything and then fail to deliver and still get even more money!
The fact is that in certain regimes, paying off the leaders to achieve foreign policy goals is ineffective. This is most true in nations with more democracy, where paying off dictators is more or less a sure bet.

But you are correct that we should cease aid to these countries since it’s ineffective and they continue to hate us. We should use aid as strategically as the Chinese, not as wantonly whoring out the wealth of nations as previous Presidents have done with approval of Congress.

Hopefully Trump will reform this aspect of our government as well. With statements like he gave about the UN vote and aid, it appears he’s moving in that direction. Perhaps looking for an excuse, while dragging popular opinion in that direction as well? That kind of move would definitely suit his style, and has the benefit of getting even hostile democrats to agree with him!

www.youtube.com/embed/084irEAQrLQ

TwoScoopsPlissken says

It's expected and it's normal. What we are looking for is countries that consistently go against our interests. They are not our friends, and they deserve no aid from us. Fuck Them.

Sounds good to me. President Trump has my whole hearted support.

Strategist says

Friends will always disagree at times. It's expected and it's normal. What we are looking for is countries that consistently go against our interests. They are not our friends, and they deserve no aid from us. Fuck Them.

You are reacting like if it's a child talking to other child.
What if the countries in question have several factions, some of which are against the US, some for it, and help essentially reinforces the faction in US favor?
What if the faction in power is essentially pro US and needs help, but has to pay lip service for the part of its population that is against the US?
What if, though acting in some cases against the US, a country still acts in some cases FOR the US and they wouldn't without the help?