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CBOEtrader says

Trump is easily the best president of our lifetime. For the record, I thought he was a complete joke for the first 3 months of his campaign...until the MSM started calling him a nazi. That was when I dove in and started researching every propagandized article about him. Now I'm on board the Trump train. Trump the medicine our sick country needs

In other words you're just like TPB, Two scoops and Patrick. "The good thing is how much the liberals hate him. Even if the liberals are correct to hate him and even if he destroys democracy as we know it, it will have been worth it to see those fucking liberals suffer."

It's definitely a sign of the times, that the guy I (and about 190 million other American) think is so obviously the worst President in my lifetime (BY FAR !), you think is the best. (gee I wonder why you like him so much? No I'm not thinking of racism- although I'm sure that didn't hurt him in your book).

Destroying democracy starts by a party losing the election and then getting all Samson in the Philistine's Temple about it. Insinuating he's a Russian Stooge, that he's mentally ill, an abuser of women, that the election itself was hacked, a Nazi Plot, etc. etc.

No, it starts when an investigation into extreme corruption (we're not talking a bj from an intern) is not allowed to be completed, Or when the media is constantly questioned and called fake news, in many cases because of true reports on reality. Or when a head of the FBI is fired why ? Or when the President openly admires ruthless and murderous dictators. How can his multiple lies on a daily basis not give you pause ? You actually must admire his pathological lying.

Worst of all. Face it, Trump does not value the press as the 4th Estate, as a check against his power. He envies Putin who can have members of the press killed for for what they say.

We still are a democracy, but Trump is trying as hard as he can to undermine it.

marcus says

No, it starts when an investigation into extreme corruption (we're not talking a bj from an intern) is not allowed to be completed

I agree, we need a special counsel to investigate Uranium One.

marcus says

, Or when the media is constantly questioned and called fake news, in many cases because of true reports on reality

Like announcing they've got a bombshell, but getting the dates wrong on an email, then refusing to name the erroneous or malign sources that spread the fake news? Or citing "People familiar with the story" as Sources? How about maintaining that a woman coughing up a lung every 5 minutes was healthy based on a couple of paragraphs from her personal physician, when days later she topples over into a waiting car and is whisked to an apartment for private treatment?

Have you been following the Inspector General's revelations that Comey's crew was outrageously biased in the Clinton Email investigation, yet he allowed them to continue leading it? Or that many of them went on to investigate Trump?

How can you see the media daily getting busted, bias in the FBI top investigators proven bias with 10,000 texts and emails railing on Trump, rooting for Hillary, and even their own wives given six figure cash to run for office by the Top Clinton Ally, McAuliffe, while they're supposed to be investigating Clinton?

How about the FBI report on the Bill Clinton-Lynch meeting more worried about how the story leaked than any impropriety of the Attorney General meeting with the Suspect's Husband in a secret meeting?

Everything on Trump is speculation. Everything on Clinton, Podesta, Wasserman-Schultz, McCabe, Stronzky (sp?) etc. has actual factual meat to it.

CBOEtrader says

Trump is more like the hero we deserve, rather than the hero we want.

EXACTLY.

So many envisioned some kind of FDR figure riding in on a horse, with his sober, serious Atlanticist voice calming everybody as he gave a fireside chat from the White House. His reason and delivery carrying the day. (Nevermind the real FDR was a great behind the scenes politician, and a log-roller and a dissembler when necessary)

We got a big mouth billionaire who has almost certainly been planning this for 30 years, knows how to trigger his opponents to states of lunacy and live rent-free in their heads, wade through months of "Oh no you don't" "Crazy" "Not gonna happen", before getting it passed.

Although, both were wealthy New Yorkers.

marcus says

No, it starts when an investigation into extreme corruption (we're not talking a bj from an intern) is not allowed to be completed,

Agreed!
LOCKHERUP!

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Destroying democracy starts by a party losing the election and then getting all Samson in the Philistine's Temple about it. Insinuating he's a Russian Stooge, that he's mentally ill, an abuser of women, that the election itself was hacked, a Nazi Plot, etc. etc.

Except the Republicans won the election.

So the party that is insinuating all those things is the winning party.

marcus says

Many make the argument that the press was overly kind to Trump, during the campaign - giving his antics so much attention, allowing him to be elected, and then the press has been overly kind to him since he became President too.

Really?? "overly kind"?????

We're yah sleeping under a rock all of 2016?

marcus says

am I safe in concluding, as most reality based folks would, that the press is about 30 times more kind to Trump than it was to Obama ?

Wow, there are no words.....

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Everything on Clinton, Podesta, Wasserman-Schultz, McCabe, Stronzky (sp?) etc. has actual factual meat to it.

marcus says

No, it starts when an investigation into extreme corruption

When will it start?

The media was absolutely tougher on Clinton than it was on Trump. Studies have shown this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/09/20/is-the-media-biased-toward-clinton-or-trump-heres-some-actual-hard-data/?utm_term=.de314eb4866f

Sniper says

Really?? "overly kind"?????

Even with the leaked emails, showing journalists invited to special parties, individual MSM "journos" fed tasty tidbits by the campaign, the non-stop Trump Bashing, and the now statistically proven negativity from one of the few genuinely unbiased think tanks, Pew, we still hear the "MSM too nice to Trump" nonsense.

Oh, and don't forget the "He's toast, mathematically impossible!" 24-7 assault of pundits in all MSM, print, cable, network, that lasted for weeks right up until the evening of the election.

And pimping the faked Trump dossier... which turned out to be funded by the Democratic Candidate and then knowingly used by the Democratic President to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Opposition Candidate after their first attempt at a FISA wiretap was rejected... man every few seconds I think of another.

Months of wiretaps and surveillance on Trump and Mueller has yet to indict anybody? He ain't got nuthin' on Trump.

HappyGilmore says

The media was absolutely tougher on Clinton than it was on Trump. Studies have shown this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/09/20/is-the-media-biased-toward-clinton-or-trump-heres-some-actual-hard-data/?utm_term=.de314eb4866f

WaPo

Ha Ha Ha ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ha ha

Sniper says

WaPo

Democracy Dies in Our Elite Deep State.

Is it that hard to pick 3 things? My Lord.

Nobody can step up and name 3 specific topics where the press was unfair?

From what history and true facts have played out, usually weeks or months afterward, Trump is proven right about 95% of the time. When he first tweets or makes a public statement there’s inevitably gasps and protests, talk of his senility, derangement, and impending impeachment due to the 26th Ammendment. Then time passes and he’s proven 100% correct on the subject.
Rinse.
Repeat.

Sniper says

What's YOUR definition of "unfair", let's start there?

Are you kidding me? This should be the simplest question ever asked on pat.net. For the last 18 months, all I've heard is how mistreated Trump is by the lying, liberal, biased, media. All I'm asking is 3 examples.

What's the problem?

Quigley says

From what history and true facts have played out, usually weeks or months afterward, Trump is proven right about 95% of the time. When he first tweets or makes a public statement there’s inevitably gasps and protests, talk of his senility, derangement, and impending impeachment due to the 26th Ammendment. Then time passes and he’s proven 100% correct on the subject.

example? I don't recall that every happening.

Nope.
At the rate the libbies redefine the english language, clarity is needed here.
Why can't you define your version of "unfair" so your question can be answered?

HappyGilmore says

Sniper says

What's YOUR definition of "unfair", let's start there?

Are you kidding me? This should be the simplest question ever asked on pat.net.

HappyGilmore says

All I'm asking is 3 examples.

I gave a whole list, please pick the ones yo-u like best out of the list below. This really can't be that difficult.

Sniper says

Quigley says

You got the google, even if your memory is shit you should be able to find out for yourself.

Yep--my google says it never happened. That's why I asked to see if you have a different google.

It's hilarious that all the Trumpcucks make these statements as if they are well known truths but when questioned can't provide one fucking example of any of it.

Sniper says

I gave a whole list, please pick the ones yo-u like best out of the list below. This really can't be that difficult.

Great--so pick 3 that I can review then.

Seriously--how hard is this? wtf is wrong with you people? Define unfair? Really?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfair

HappyGilmore says

Is it that hard to pick 3 things? My Lord.

Nobody can step up and name 3 specific topics where the press was unfair?

During the 2016 election cycle, the MSM gave white supremacists, specifically the KKK, more press coverage per member than the dallas cowboys as a strategy to smear Trump. 100% proof of MSM propaganda.

Build a racist boogey-man, blame it on the blond haired R candidate who refuses to be politically correct. Rinse. Repeat.

Sniper says

HappyGilmore says

It's not the same.

True, Nate has been 100% WRONG the complete last year. I'd suggest a better source for info.

Wait, didn't he get Doug Jones right?

anon_c1a2c says

Sniper says

Only three out of that YYUUGGEE list spewed by the Liberal media on a regular basis???

Hmmm, the choices...

So you got nothing? Not even 1?

So you got nothing? Still not one example. That's what I thought.

I just gave you a bullet proof 100% data supported example. Ignore facts though?! Yeah. That's what I thought.

CBOEtrader says

I just gave you a bullet proof 100% data supported example. Ignore facts though?! Yeah. That's what I thought.

this?

CBOEtrader says

During the 2016 election cycle, the MSM gave white supremacists, specifically the KKK, more press coverage per member than the dallas cowboys as a strategy to smear Trump. 100% proof of MSM propaganda.

I think you need a primer as to what constitutes proof.

And he proved my point! Even when a poster gives in to his “tasking” and provides the requested “proof,” this troll discounts the evidence! HappyGilmore is apparently the sort of troll who is best dealt with via the “ignore” function.

I think we broke HGs trolling script. He’s just putting “best fit” scenarios into play now! And being contrarian for its own sake. If he was truly sentient, and not a trollish AI, he’d have something more original to say.

If anyone can point me to the data that cboe claims he posted, please do so.

After all this back and forth, nobody can provide 3 instances of Trump being treated unfairly?? I would have thought it to be an extremely simple exercise.

HappyGilmore says

? I would have thought it to be an extremely simple exercise

If you know it’s such a simple exercise, then you already know that we are right, and Trump has been mistreated by the media a hugely disproportionate amount! I’ll give you a new example from the National Review, a very conservative magazine.
http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2017/12/30/rick-manning-national-review-crowd-cant-admit-they-were-dead-wrong-about-donald-trump/

Quigley says

If you know it’s such a simple exercise, then you already know that we are right, and Trump has been mistreated by the media a hugely disproportionate amount! I’ll give you a new example from the National Review, a very conservative magazine.

Nice article but doesn't really address my question. I'm asking for a specific example of an issue or incident where Trump was mistreated by the media.

HappyGilmore says

After all this back and forth, nobody can provide 3 instances of Trump being treated unfairly??

OK, for the WIN!!

Here's FOUR.

News Media Gone Wild: These 4 Examples Show Trump-Trashing Is Their Favorite Hobby
Four topics took up more than half the time spent on the ABC, CBS and NBC evening news coverage of the president.

* The Russian "collusion" allegations, got some 415 minutes of coverage, 94 percent of it negative.
* The battle over Obamacare repeal took up 176 minutes and was 97 percent negative.
* The feud with North Korea landed 136 minutes of coverage with 86 percent of it negative.
* President Trump's response to the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia. It received 97 minutes of coverage, 97 percent of it negative.

Noyes stated, "Analyzing the networks' spin makes it clear that the goal of all this heavy coverage is not to promote the president, but to punish him."
http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2017/september/news-media-gone-wild-these-4-examples-show-trump-trashing-is-their-favorite-hobby


CHECKMATE!!

Hey--someone at least stepped up and provided some real examples. Kudos.

Now-I do have a bit of a question with the source as it's mission is "exposing and combating liberal media bias" There may be a bit of a bias there. They list their methodology but don't have the raw data/soundbites anywhere to dig in (or course) so it's impossible to really judge their findings.

But hey--at least you stepped up to the plate.

CBOEtrader says

During the 2016 election cycle, the MSM gave white supremacists, specifically the KKK, more press coverage per member than the dallas cowboys as a strategy to smear Trump. 100% proof of MSM propaganda.

Trump made this happen all by himself. "Who is David Duke ?" I don't think I know who that is ?" You want me to denounce white supremacy ? I would have to know what it means and who these people are before I can denounce them."

I imagine Trumpcucks giggling like little girls when they hear his incessant pathological lying.

Well clear out some space for some brains
HappyGilmore says

Hey--I'm all ears.

Sniper says

And it would be so difficult to find them on Google or Youtube, right? That is, if yo-u wanted to.

Actually I went to their site.

HappyGilmore says

I think you need a primer as to what constitutes proof.

So you can't, in any way, suggest I'm wrong.

The MSM and left are the ones who suggested Trump and a wave of white nationalism were somehow linked. Do you disagree w this sentiment?

Look in the Wikileaks wherein DNC and HRC put out these exact white national talking points to their media shills. Then go cross reference to Google trends data showing more articles per KKK member than the Dallas cowboys. These are facts you can not deny.

CBOEtrader says

So you can't, in any way, suggest I'm wrong.

Of course you're wrong. I thought it went without saying that you were wrong.

There are way more articles on the Dallas Cowboys. I figured you were being sarcastic.

(fyi--there at least 100X more KKK members than members of the Dallas Cowboys so you'd have to show 100X more articles on the KKK)

According to Wikipedia, there are about 5000 employees of the Dallas Cowboys compared to KKK's 3000 - 8000 members. The ratio is close to 1:1. Obviously the Dallas Cowboys are a FAR more highly capitalized organization, with professional marketers, etc... So even a 1:1 ratio is quite misleading. The KKK is quantifiably irrelevant. (For example some estimates suggest the irrelevant Church of Satan has more members.) There should NEVER be a period of time where there are more KKK articles than Dallas Cowboys articles, unless ofc you are the MSM trying to propagandize the soft minded masses.

Around the 2016 POTUS election, from Nov 7th to Nov 9th Google NEWS (articles from actual publications) hits for "KKK" is 11,100 as compared to "Dallas Cowboys" 8,940.

HappyGilmore says

Of course you're wrong

I accept your apology for being wrong.