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errc says

Obama failed to bring the economy to full recovery and boom. Trump is succeeding here.

By what metric?

GDP. It was stagnant under Obama. Starting to move up under Trump.

errc says

ISIS. Obama was a miserable failure here. Even the Russians did better.

By what metric?

Rise and fall. ISIS rose under Obama. Pretty much destroyed under Trump.

errc says

North Korea. Obama did nothing. He could not even stop the Chinese from supporting them.

By what metric?

China.
China kept the North Koreans alive under Obama. They cut off the life line to NK under Trump.

Sniper says

Not to mention, the Trump market just for this January is up almost 1500 points, where it barely grew 700 points the whole last two years of Obama.

That's called a recovery.

errc says

Obama gets credit for preventing a depression.
Trump gets credit for a full recovery, and the coming boom.
It's as simple as that. Lets be honest.

Well if we’re being honest here, it looks like The S&P tripled under Obama. It looks like it’s up about 27% under Trump.

Look at your own chart again. Where was the S&P when Obama became President? You are not being honest by calculating the gains from the lows during Obama's term.

errc says

Outside of emotional feelZ by the Trumpcucks, i dont see a break in the trend line, nor any action by Trump that warrants crediting Trump with Obamas economy.

What are you seeing

I'm seeing a chart posted by you that does not even show the last 3 years, least of all the huge jump in stocks since Trump was elected. Why so dishonest?
If you have to be dishonest, it tells me you know perfectly well of Obamas failures, yet refuse to acknowledge them.
Shame on you.

Sniper says

errc says

Why did ya cut that chart off at 2015??

errc says

I wish people would stop repeating the propaganda so i can stop defending Obama with the simplest of truths. Reality shouldn’t clash with your view of the world so violently.

If truth and reality is so important, how about overlaying what REALLY made that market rise under Obama:



Without multiple rounds of QE injected, that market would have flatlined. Obama had NOTHING to do with the rise.

Proof, here is the DOW chart for Obama's last two years, after QE was shut off:

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Thanks for proving my point. Draw a line on your chart from jan 20th 09 to jan 20th 17, obamas presidency. The trend is in tact. Looks like it got ahead of itself a little bit mid 15- mid 16, consolidated, and then resumed the trend mid 2016, long before Trump took office. So you agree with me, I’m correct.

errc says

Strategist says

errc says

Obama gets credit for preventing a depression.
Trump gets credit for a full recovery, and the coming boom.
It's as simple as that. Lets be honest.

Well if we’re being honest here, it looks like The S&P tripled under Obama. It looks like it’s up about 27% under Trump.

Look at your own chart again. Where was the S&P when Obama became President? You are not being honest by calculating the gains from the lows during Obama's term.

errc says

Outside of emotional feelZ by the Trumpcucks, i dont see a break in the trend line, nor any action by Trump that warrants crediting Trump with Obamas economy.

What are you seeing

I'm seeing a chart posted by you that does not ev...

So you show a chart until June 2015, from which you claim Trump did an inferior job compared to Obama, even though Trump became President in 2017.
ROFL. Based on your chart, Trump may not have even been born.
Gosh Errc, if you want to be deceptive, please show something that is not so easy to piss on.

Obama stretched the facts in his final SOTU on jobs, deficits, health care, military spending and carbon emissions.

Summary
President Barack Obama’s final State of the Union address came up short of the facts on several topics:

He embellished his record on jobs, citing “more than 14 million new jobs,” without mentioning that’s only private sector jobs and only since the job losses hit bottom in February 2010.

Obama similarly omitted part of his presidency in boasting of nearly 900,000 manufacturing jobs “in the past six years.” Over his entire time in office, manufacturing jobs have gone down by 230,000.

And he said he had cut the country’s deficits by “almost three-quarters.” But that’s measured from fiscal 2009, which included some increased spending by Obama.

He repeated his now years-long claim of crediting the Affordable Care Act for a slowdown in health care spending, which economists have linked mainly to the economy. In fact, the growth rate jumped in 2014, when the law’s coverage provisions were implemented.

Obama claimed, like he did in 2014, that the U.S. has “cut carbon pollution more than any other country on Earth.” That’s true in terms of total tonnage but not in terms of percentage reductions.

He said that the U.S. spends “more on our military than the next eight nations combined.” That’s close enough in terms of dollars, but as a share of the nation’s economy, the U.S. is only the fourth highest of the top 15 countries.

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/factchecking-the-state-of-the-union/

Patrick says

If someone gets shot, and the response is "He’s a Piece of Shit", that sounds very much like a justification for the shooting.

How long does one have to wait after someone gets shot before they can call the poor bastard a piece of shit? I mean, can Scalise skate through the rest of his life without fear of criticism? You seem hyper defensive, here.

The economy hasn't changed much since Trump took over. It's basically continued Obama growth. The reason that Trump doesn't get democrats applauding low unemployment (even among the blacks), is because the long ass trend in lowering unemployment has been ongoing for 8 yrs. Trump is just trying to take credit for Obama's success, and everybody left of the aisle knows it.

The stock market has raged due to optimism over getting a tax cut, which makes stocks more valuable. It's likely due for a bit of a correction.

Trump gets props for not breaking shit yet. I'm actually quite impressed by that.

The crowd roars their approval! Hail Ceasar! Let the gladiator games begin!

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

It's basically continued Obama growth.

The market has shown a complete change in environment from the Obama admin. Trumps exec orders and leadership are the difference.

Only the most brainwashed partisans left of the isle give credit to Obama for this.

CBOEtrader says

Only the most brainwashed partisans left of the isle give credit to Obama for this.

NPR last week was on this...
"So who owns the economy when a President takes office?"
Kick.

They swore up and down that Obama inherited the bad part of his economy, but credited him for every green shoot that happened in spite of his policies to stop them.

Trump is performing as expected. I said all through Obama's administration that Presidents own the economy the minute they take office.
Obama spent his first 6 years blaming Bush for everything. He stopped bashing him the last two, because he needed to play nice with Bush to save his legacy.
So they paraded him around like he was a great President that still endorses the Obama house.

When Trump ran I swore up and down, I would blame Trump for every peak and valley and not Obama or Bush.

Strategist says

Rise and fall. ISIS rose under Obama. Pretty much destroyed under Trump.

Do you want to take a stab at explaining the policy changes that brought that about?

Booger says

Among speech watchers!

errc says

Strategist says

errc says

Which part do you disagree with? Seems like they’re reporting the facts

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-2009-buying-stocks-is-a-potentially-good-deal-2015-6

Obama gets credit for preventing a depression.
Trump gets credit for a full recovery, and the coming boom.
It's as simple as that. Lets be honest.

Well if we’re being honest here, it looks like The S&P tripled under Obama. It looks like it’s up about 27% under Trump.

Outside of emotional feelZ by the Trumpcucks, i dont see a break in the trend line, nor any action by Trump that warrants credi...

Honest? Looks to me like a disingenuous reference point.

CBOEtrader says

The market has shown a complete change in environment from the Obama admin.

Are you referring to the stock market? If you read my comment, you will see that I stated that the stock market has raged, and gave a reason for that. Are you saying that you do not differentiate between the stock market and the economy (GDP/jobs/etc.)?

anon_58b0b says

Among speech watchers!

Wait, the homeless in SF, living on the streets, weren't allowed to vote in that poll?

So sad.

Democratic platform has been reduced to hating Trump and pandering to illegal aliens.PATHETIC!

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

Are you saying that you do not differentiate between the stock market and the economy (GDP/jobs/etc.)?

All of those are up BIGLY the past year.

Why do you hate success?

BayArea says

errc says

Strategist says

errc says

Which part do you disagree with? Seems like they’re reporting the facts

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-2009-buying-stocks-is-a-potentially-good-deal-2015-6

Obama gets credit for preventing a depression.
Trump gets credit for a full recovery, and the coming boom.
It's as simple as that. Lets be honest.

Well if we’re being honest here, it looks like The S&P tripled under Obama. It looks like it’s up about 27% under Trump.

Outside of emotional feelZ by the Trumpcucks, ...

What is disingenuous about showing where the stock market was when Obama took office and how it performed under his presidency?

Do you define disingenuous as meaning you don’t like the reality that is showed in the image?

In my book, disingenuous is claiming Obama failed where Trump succeeded. I’ve been banging this drum throughout Trumps presidency. Show any graph of the metric Trump is claiming as his own win, and it’s the exact same trend line. You can hardly tell that the presidency changed hands.

This is getting tiring, i can’t tell if you guys are being honest or not

Not a knock out punch, but a good right cross on the chin of the DNC.

GOP voters are revitalized, and independents are seeing just how effective Trump has been for the country, and the nation is seeing Democrat senators not applauding record low black and latino unemployment.

The midterms will be interesting for sure.

errc says

Show any graph of the metric Trump is claiming as his own win, and it’s the exact same trend line. You can hardly tell that the presidency changed hands.

Wow, just wow. OK, once again.

The last TWO years of Obama (after the QE flow was turned off)

Sniper says

Now compare that to the trend line of Trump's ONE year (WITHOUT any QE)

Sniper says

If those two trend line look the same, well, ....

errc says

This is getting tiring, i can’t tell if you guys are being honest or not

True, we know who's not being honest in this thread.

Why ignore the FACT that without the $4.5 TRILLION of QE injected into the market during Obama, there would have been low growth?

anonymous says

Why gosh darn it - you mean Harley closing one of their plants is a good thing ?

Same with Ford Motor Company having it's credit rating lowered and it's bonds rated as just above junk status ?

Anyone bothered to look at the job cuts website recently ?

Can't have it both ways.

Leftist/Democrats: The roaring economy is still Obama's economy.

Also Leftist/Democrats: Trumps fault for some companies cutting jobs.

anonymous says

Anyone bothered to look at the job cuts website recently ?

Sure, go here, it might help!!

http://www.dailyjobfix.com/

I don't play race politics, that's all. I think Democrats playing race politics show just how weak their platform is.

Sniper says

errc says

Show any graph of the metric Trump is claiming as his own win, and it’s the exact same trend line. You can hardly tell that the presidency changed hands.

Wow, just wow. OK, once again.

The last TWO years of Obama (after the QE flow was turned off)

Sniper says

Now compare that to the trend line of Trump's ONE year (WITHOUT any QE)

Sniper says

If those two trend line look the same, well, ....

errc says

This is getting tiring, i can’t tell if you guys are being honest ...

Why would you compare the last two years of Obamas presidency to the first one of Trumps. Do an apples to apples comparison then.

Either show the trend line from jan 20 2009 to present (you won’t because it blows your narrative to shreds) or post Obamas first year 1/20/09 to Trumps first year 1/20/17. Your attempt to cherry pick further proves my point

errc says

Why would you compare the last two years of Obamas presidency to the first one of Trumps. Do an apples to apples comparison then.

It's a fair comparison. QE was vastly reduced during those stagnant years of BO's economy.

Goran_K says

I don't play race politics, that's all. I think Democrats playing race politics show just how weak their platform is.

I thought the intellectually lazy just gobble up whatever the Repubs say as gospel. Like Trump is somehow responsible for record low black unemployment. What did he do? What was the trendline he inherited

Obviously the racists are the people discrediting Obama while bliwing Trump. It’s very easy to see if you’re paying attention to reality.

And I’m getting tired of defending Obama after ripping him for eight years, but it’s important to be honest and factual

errc says

Why would you compare the last two years of Obamas presidency to the first one of Trumps.

Someone was saying that Trump was following Obama's trend line. That's statement was factually wrong, the charts prove it.

errc says

or post Obamas first year 1/20/09 to Trumps first year 1/20/17. Your attempt to cherry pick further proves my point

Did the market go up 5000+ points in Obama's first year?

What about this?

Sniper says

Why ignore the FACT that without the $4.5 TRILLION of QE injected into the market during Obama,

errc says

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Is printing $4.5 Trillion (the RED line) to boost the market just lunch money?

errc says

What did he do?

Massive deregulation, tax reform, basically creating an environment that grows the pie instead of treating it as a zero sum game. You know, the way a REAL economy actually works.

Goran_K says

I don't play race politics, that's all. I think Democrats playing race politics show just how weak their platform is.

It's really sad. That speech was fairly centrist, but you can't get any decent discussion going. Mentioned on facetwat that the Dems need the (poorer) common working citizens to win and it went right to "oh those rays cyst people, it's rays cyst to assume we need them". Yawn.

mell says

It's really sad. That speech was fairly centrist, but you can't get any decent discussion going. Mentioned on facetwat that the Dems need the (poorer) common working citizens to win and it went right to "oh those rays cyst people, it's rays cyst to assume we need them". Yawn.

Lazy leaches will be lazy leaches, they damn sure don't want Trump fucking up their shit.
Go to City Hall, the DMV your local Schools KG - 12, pretty much every administrative building. Tell me what you see? They had shiftless lazyness sewn up.
They got the job based on Pantone chart shades alone. They are great at making your Civil Administrative experience as shitty and a hastle as ever. From the minute you park in the parking garages until the minute you leave.

Ever see a door you're not supposed to enter through, and a Black Civil servant instructing people not to use it?

How do those Motherfuckers do it? That's right from a hide across the street, 10's of yards from the erroneous Entrance so they can purp bark directions to you.
"USE THE OTHER DOOR! THAT ONE IS CLOSED, YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT WHY THERE'S NOT A SIGN ON DOOR!"

another favorite.
"SIR YOU NEED TO REMOVE YOUR BELT AND PUT IT IN THE BASKET" pushes you aside while you're actually taking it off so you almost lose your balance, points to a huddle of people being needlessly hassled by Obama's son.
"Do it OVER THER!" Me "HEY! You need to chill you work for me and my home owner taxes, less you forget that!"
Try that you should see how they act then, they shut the fuck up because they know they are tripping on themselves.

Just miserable cockbites. The bastards could put a sign on the door and call it a day. No they just lock it, even though it says "Main Entrance" So they can bark out orders to you to walk around to the construction entrance on the side.
And if I tell you I have never EVER been able to tell why those doors are locked in the first place other than to give Obama son a chance to flex their authority on the public about something so painfully obvious like a fucking LOCKED DOOR!

Thanks Obama you sure did good!

anonymous says

that could never be because minorities are lazy and just feed off the government teat not to mention incompetent.

Engaging in hyperbole can sometimes be funny. This isn't one of those times.

Also, not sure why you're asking me about "right wing view". Have never voted for a GOP presidential candidate. But after seeing what the left wing tried to do to this country before Trump, I simply see which side is the most dangerous to this republic, and it's undoubtedly the left wing at this point in time.

@anonymous the above comment by Goran should not have been marked personal.

The mere use of "you" is not necessarily an attack on you personally.