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HEYYOU says

To all the students that play shoot 'em up video games,you just got a taste of reality.
Blood & guts are so much more colorful in real life.

Did you see any pictures of blood and guts at the scene?

School to staff: don't admit kid if he has a backpack.

Kid comes in with backpack and rifle.

School: we couldn't have been more prepared.

Ceffer says

Conspiracy theorists already calling it another false flag event.

Gosh dang liberals! Everytime!

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Homeschooled students score about 72 points higher than the national average on the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT). The average American College Test (ACT) score is 21. The average score for homeschoolers is 22.8 out of a possible 36 points. Homeschoolers are at the 77th percentile on the Iowa Test of Basic Skills.
https://wehavekids.com/education/Do-Homeschoolers-Really-Do-Better-on-Tests
Many states don't give the ACT and SAT to all (or even most) students, either, so the differential is probably worse for Public School Students.

Wow, I've never seen so many fudges and weasel words in one single article before. Nice job. Most notable is the lack of mention of the number of states that don't track home schooling or require any kind of assessments and how that would affect any comparisons. Especially since those states are mostly the poorer educated red states.

Many states don't give to ACT/SATall students you say? Are you saying all home schoolers get ACT/SAT? I don't think so. Actually I know so.

My nephew is home schooled by my paranoid conspiracy freak nut job sister in a state that doesn't check on home schoolers. Epic fail. The kid knows nothing. These were the same idiots that kept a loaded pistol on top of the fridge "for home protection" with kids playing in the house for years. What could go wrong?

14 in a month and a half ... sorry ... 18 school shootings (of all types) for 2018.
That's over twice as many Wednesdays we have gone through. WTF is wrong with us?

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Homeschool your kids. Don't leave them at the mercy of an impersonal institution run by professional morons.

That's a funny way of writing "disgruntled boys who abuse girls, shouldn't be able to purchase firearms".

Goran_K says

An armed guard would have ended the confrontation at the point of entry.

An armed guard would have been the first victim. See Vegas.

Not a gun problem. Not an AR-15 problem. This is a masculinity and gun culture problem. If only there was an institution left in America teaching responsible gun ownership. Shame.

Our total school shootings is what, 14 in a month and a half for 2018? Disgraceful. Our nation is filled with some very poorly raised young males. shrug ... probably cannot do anything about it though.

Every time a gun nut uses a school for target practice, the liberals start talking about gun control!!

It’s insane. Meanwhile Hillary Clinton probably jaywalked somewhere and nobody did anything! America is doomed

Guns don’t kill people

Liberals kill people

When was the last time you saw : Guns listed as cause of death on a death certificate? Exactly! Never

It’s all a liberal lie to get the communists invaders all triggered.

Putin 2020!!

Eat that librul skum wee ant gonna sit here and watch tranny porn while Obama the seditious jive monkey runs the stock market into the grund any longer! SEIG HEIL!!!

Clearly we need more guns! Imagine the teachers and students were heavily armed! No chance for the mass murder to fight against an army of students! Therefore, we need to start selling more guns to protect our citizens! A gun shop offering heavy discounts next to the snack bar would be the solution!

The SAT I mean

anon_e144f says

Many states don't give to ACT/SATall students you say? Are you saying all home schoolers get ACT/SAT? I don't think so. Actually I know so.

Oh? Show me a link. This subject was already discussed here. NY state and maybe a few others are the ONLY states that have a policy of testing most students.

anon_44452 says

Oh? Show me a link. This subject was already discussed here. NY state and maybe a few others are the ONLY states that have a policy of testing most students.

Right. No one knows what percentage of home schooled take the ACT/SAT compared to public schools. So the test results for home schooled compared to public schools is meaningless. I believe that was the point.

FP says

Sniper says

anon_fad35 says

The lesson is all guns should be banned.

Liberal Logic

I thought you don't like liberals. Why are you praising them?

That wasn't praise, it's proof of Liberalism being a mental disorder.

There is a reason that Russia dumped a bunch of money into the NRA a couple of years ago. There's a reason that Trump took a hard gun rights stance (to get that money). Now, we watch to see what happens.

FP says

Clearly the problem is one or both of the following:
1. Too much weapons in the US.
2. Americans are one of the most murderous peoples on earth.

Whichever it is, it justifies keeping guns away from the Americans.

Yes, everyone knows, it's the gun doing all the killings, not the mentally dysfunctional person holding the gun.

We need police (with guns) to confiscate the 300+ million firearms from all the citizens in the country, even if they've never broken any laws.

It's for the children.

anon_41c1a says

14 in a month and a half ... sorry ... 18 school shootings (of all types) for 2018.
That's over twice as many Wednesdays we have gone through. WTF is wrong with us?

It's because guns were just invented this year, if they weren't made available in 2018, these shootings would never of happened.

Oops... Oh wait, guns have been around for centuries...

Care to try and figure out what's going on in the schools TODAY causing these increased shootings, and why this wasn't happening 10 years ago, even though the same access to firearms was available?

Ceffer says

Conspiracy theorists already calling it another false flag event.

Some people that don't follow the TV and proven lying media's narrative are already speculating that it's just another in a long list of false flag events.

anon_3a1a3 says

Clearly we need more guns! Imagine the teachers and students were heavily armed!

Clearly we need more soft targets where no one is armed. Let's make it extremely easy for mentally deranged individuals to slaughter people without any resistance.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

bob2356 says

Better they learn from amateur morons in the home who were too cheap to arm them so they could stand their ground.

Homeschooled students score about 72 points higher than the national average on the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT). The average American College Test (ACT) score is 21. The average score for homeschoolers is 22.8 out of a possible 36 points. Homeschoolers are at the 77th percentile on the Iowa Test of Basic Skills.
https://wehavekids.com/education/Do-Homeschoolers-Really-Do-Better-on-Tests
Many states don't give the ACT and SAT to all (or even most) students, either, so the differential is probably worse for Public School Students.

Enthusiasm and a Strong Vested Interest trumps 30 credits in Diversity Training backed by a huge bureaucracy.

Homeschool has always been a tone deaf a rallying cry for white nationalists who like to arrange marriages (and occasionally fuck their children) and teach them to hate non-natives. It's a dog whistle most intelligent people have figured out.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

FP says

Clearly the problem is one or both of the following:
1. Too much weapons in the US.
2. Americans are one of the most murderous peoples on earth.

Whichever it is, it justifies keeping guns away from the Americans. However, that will not happen; too many idiots, too much corruption, a dysfunctional political system.

... and yet you continue to flock here instead of staying in your peaceful paradises full of super-smart people...

Hahaha, so predictable a response. And a personal attack, which I'll let stand because it's so illogical; maybe you'd wish to delete it yourself.

As for why it make sense to flock here, in light of what I wrote earlier:

1. Americans are even more murderous abroad.

2. Living in a place full of idiots gives me huuuge competitive advantage.

Sniper says

Care to try and figure out what's going on in the schools TODAY causing these increased shootings, and why this wasn't happening 10 years ago

Oh, but it was happening 10 years ago. You need to go back further.

The issue is lack of military service, a maligned boy scouts, and shitty excuses for male role models: like Cadet-Bone-Spurs and the "shooter in every jungle gym" NRA.

Modern masculinity has been horribly marred and twisted by some real primitive knuckle dragging tribalist fucks ... who think shooting a 1000 pond herbivore from the comfort of their Range Rover is manly.

This issue is todays American male population has a higher concentration of terrified weenies tweeting their latest black plastic tacti-cool acquisition and jacking off to porn hub. Then one day ... snap ... "life is too hard, my penis is too small, she called me names" ... goes and shoots up his school.

You want to blame today's youth? Nuh-uh. You blame todays adult males. We are failing our sons.

zzyzzx says

You could look at that via "mother" and "father" archetypes, which also reflect our political divisions to a large degree.

The mother archetype is trying to get all the children to get along and share with each other, and to use shaming as the primary control mechanism.

The father archetype is letting the children know that "dad" is in charge, exactly what the rules are, and that the rules will be physically enforced.

Mothers are good at controlling and nurturing small children, but once kids get past a certain age, especially boys, shaming and other social tactics just don't work anymore. They need a strong male force to keep them in line. In fact, I would argue that boys in particular want a strong dominant male figure to be in charge. Without that, they feel uncomfortable because they know something is not right.

Patrick says

The father archetype is letting the children know who is in charge, exactly what the rules are, and that the rules will be physically enforced.

The majority of these guys kill themselves before they get caught. What makes you think potential "deadly force" is a deterrent to them?

anon_8f378 says

What makes you think potential "deadly force" is a deterrent to them?

The way things are now, they go into it knowing that all guns are banned at the school, so the strong male force (the police and swat teams) is far enough away that they can kill, say 17 unarmed people before the jig is up.

If they go into it knowing they are going to be splattered within 30 seconds, the proposition is not nearly as attractive.

Patrick says

The way things are now, they go into it knowing that all guns are banned at the school, so the strong male force (the police and swat teams) is far enough away that they can kill, say 17 unarmed people before the jig is up.

If they go into it knowing they are going to be splattered within 30 seconds, the proposition is not nearly as attractive.

I think most of the attackers don't expect to survive and go into it as a suicide mission like the Trench Coat Mafia, Virginia Tech student and vegas shooter. What happened yesterday was the exception rather than the norm - he actually tried to blend it with the students and make it out which didn't work for him. But about the "strong male force" being present, I don't think it will work - it may further incentivize the attackers so that they can show that they are the true "alpha."

Looks like the shooter had an hour and ten minutes without any armed resistance (2:40 to 3:50):

https://www.news4jax.com/news/timeline-how-the-school-shooting-in-south-florida-unfolded

You can't prevent wacko kids from getting guns. If they are determined, they will get them.

What you can do is make their shooting spree damn short. We could learn a lot from the Israelis about this kind of thing.

Patrick says

What you can do is make their shooting spree damn short. We could learn a lot from the Israelis about this kind of thing.

Swiss would be better.

Patrick says

If they go into it knowing they are going to be splattered within 30 seconds, the proposition is not nearly as attractive.

Urban cover, high capacity mag, target rich environment. 30 seconds? Psssshhhh.

Even if every teacher is an armed bad ass a "wacko kid" who gets access to a firearm can wipe out a classroom. That's typically 30 people, not 17. Is that death toll a good price for no gun regulation? (That's regardless all the credible studies saying that the "armed heroic defense" is pretty much a myth.)

Unless we are talking making every school as secure as a prison the "more guns" solution is just bullshit.

That's regardless all the credible studies saying that the "armed heroic defense" is pretty much a myth.)

Do we really need a study? If the Armed Defenders were ever going to do anything, wouldn’t it have happened at least once by now?

All this gun shit has happened right alongside the militarization of police and the criminalization of the populace. More of the same will net us more of the same results

Patrick says

Looks like the shooter had an hour and ten minutes without any armed resistance (2:40 to 3:50):

https://www.news4jax.com/news/timeline-how-the-school-shooting-in-south-florida-unfolded

You can't prevent wacko kids from getting guns. If they are determined, they will get them.

What you can do is make their shooting spree damn short. We could learn a lot from the Israelis about this kind of thing.

That's true, there are plenty of incidents where armed citizens prevented mass shootings (question is by how much will any measure tip the numbers significantly if at all). The reality is that gun control will likely change nothing wrt the numbers (as you can get a gun everywhere like you can get drugs everywhere) but I also agree that you'd need much more security in schools to make them secure then. I'd focus on SSRIs, better cross-work of LEOs and schools etc. and much more security in the short-term. Maybe also overhaul checks on obtaining permits, esp. for semis.

jazz_music says

NO MASSACRE IN 30 YEARS HAS EVER BEEN PREVENTED BY ARMED CIVILIANS so cut the bullshit on arming everybody everywhere

So miss-aligned and wrong:

https://www.americanrifleman.org/the-armed-citizen/

anon_20a16 says

Urban cover, high capacity mag, target rich environment. 30 seconds? Psssshhhh.

Even if every teacher is an armed bad ass a "wacko kid" who gets access to a firearm can wipe out a classroom. That's typically 30 people, not 17. Is that death toll a good price for no gun regulation?

Such a failed narrative.

First, if one of these deranged shooters knew multiple teachers were CCW, or there were undercover LEOs, they won't go there.

Case in point, how many mass shootings have there been at police stations or gun ranges?

Patrick says

You can't prevent wacko kids from getting guns. If they are determined, they will get them.

What you can do is make their shooting spree damn short. We could learn a lot from the Israelis about this kind of thing.

Not really. How many armed guards were in the Las Vegas hotel?

How can you be sure that the shooter wouldn't make the armed guard his first victim?

mell says

The reality is that gun control will likely change nothing wrt the numbers (as you can get a gun everywhere like you can get drugs everywhere)

That's a problem gun control can address as well. Without the probability of sales, manufacturers would stop producing so many guns.

Patrick says

If they go into it knowing they are going to be splattered within 30 seconds, the proposition is not nearly as attractive.

Perfect.

That's why most mass shootings take place at schools, shopping malls and theaters. The shooters know there won't be any resistance.

errc says

That's regardless all the credible studies saying that the "armed heroic defense" is pretty much a myth.)

A myth?

anon_c9d2b says

https://www.americanrifleman.org/the-armed-citizen/

Please read.

The problem is, you won't hear about these situations on your favorite Liberal MSM channel. It goes against their narrative!

The following article claims that mass killings/shootings is a side effect of handing out anti-depressant drugs (SSRI drugs) like candy to everyone that says they are depressed or unhappy. This includes Prozac, Paxil and similar drugs. I wonder if there might be some truth to that claim.

Come to think of it, is it possible that many current societal ills are caused by anti-depressant medications? People, young and old, are dissatisfied with their lives. They take antidepressants to feel better, but does the medication also make many of them completely uncritical of themselves and their own actions? I could see this could lead to blaming everyone else for what is wrong, and then lead to rage and mass murder. It may also have the (milder) effect of people having a very high opinion of themselves and treat other people with little regard. Sort of a sociopathic effect caused by anti-depressants. And it does not just apply to men, in fact from what I see women have never been less critical of themselves than in current society.

How common is it to take anti-depressants? I personally know only one person that will admit to it, and he said he has since gotten off the meds but that it was difficult to quit. That's all the details I know. He seemed a bit hyper in 2016 -2017, but not sociopathic. He has always been a very decent man.

Here is the article:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=232986