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RC2006 says

A torta.

A torta is on a roll...thats a sainguich on pan bimbo.

Tim Aurora says

I can give you many examples of anti-gay , naziism and white supremacy but you will always spin around.

Homosexuality was considered Bourgeois Decadence in the Soviet Union. And Cuba.

RafiMaas says

Goran_K says

No, Nazism is actually kin with the left. Nazism is a form of collectivism, it says it in the fucking name.

"Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei aka National Socialist German Workers’ Party"

What does killing 6 million Jews and a supreme race have to do with socialism? Please do tell?

It's inherently leftist. The Nazis were leftists, born out of a socialist worker party. The biggest and most brutal mass murderers in recent history (since we can make a rough left/right division) by arge factors are/were all leftists.

RafiMaas says

once again, what does killing 6 million Jews and believing that there is 1 super race have to do with socialism?

Duya doh duh, Socialists did it?

RafiMaas says

once again, what does killing 6 million Jews and believing that there is 1 super race have to do with socialism? The rights persecution of Muslisms is more akin to the Nazis extermination of Jews.

Aah liberal logic. Socialists kill 6 million jews-burn them alive, gas them alive and do unspeakeable experiements on them. The elft questions what socialism ahs to dow tih ti-the socialists did it.

The leftis claim Rights persecution of Muslims-what, not letting 8% of them into our country -is the same as killing 6 million Jews and the horrors of the Holocaust. the elft has gone insane-how can any sane person even compare the two. Does th eleft not even see how cruel and fiendish they appear? is this some sort of collective madness-some sort of mass psychotic break????

The term "liberalism" in that particular Hitler quote was referencing the European definition of "liberalism"; i.e. "neo-liberalism"/capitalism/libertarianism in today's lingo.

Both Hitler and Moussolini were socialists (and formerly self-acknowledged and card-carrying socialist party members), as were the overwhelming majority of their core followers. The Nazi vs. Commie feud was in reality similar to the Stalin vs. Trotsky feud and Stalin's directive via Communist International to target socialist parties: internecine feud in order to eliminate the closest competition in the same Darwinian niche.

RafiMaas says

Actually Hitler was totalitarian

RafiMaas says

Just having socialist in the name doesn't make it socialism.

Both Nazi Germany and USSR controlled means of production, both engaged in disgusting identity politics, both took away basic human rights, both tortured and killed Jews, both wanted an empire with centralized power.

Most important, BOTH emphasized the collective over the individual resulting in totalitarianism.

Yeah i really dont care if Nazis were about killing the wrong races, whereas Marxists were about killing the wrong thinkers. The difference between these two is further blurred if you read Mein Kampf. Hitler very clearly expressed that Jews were genetically inclined to wrongthink, and thereby their genetic line (the wrongthink) should be eliminted.

The autonomous individual citizen, and God given rights associated w this celebration of individualism is THE SINGLE crowing achievement of western culture. Fascism and Marxism fail for exactly the same reasons. More important, the solution to both is libertarianism. Individual rights > collective identity politics.

Tim Aurora says

I can give you many examples of anti-gay , naziism and white supremac

No you can't. You can pretend there are racists under every rock but there's no evidence to support that fantasy. There will always be some number of racists amongst every group. These people are equally rejected by the right and the left.

Meanwhile the extreme left is indeed controlling most universities, violently attacking free speech, destroying property, and generally oppressing and/or attacking anyone who questions their narrative. Including but not limited to genuine liberals like Dr. Jordan Peterson as well as good-intention conservatives like Ben Shapiro. The extreme left and their MSM/pop culture apologists have referred to both as nazis.

Did the Nazis/Marxists dog whistle? Or did they stand up and righteously proclaim their oppressive intent? Has any tyrant or tyrannical movement ever dog whistled, or have ALL of them bbehaved righteous in their murder?

Assuming the left can read minds. Thus those who in no way behave or suggest they are racist are indeed dog whistle Nazis. The fact that these Nazis have been suppressed to dog whistling should prove to you the righteous extreme left is far more dangerous today.

Tim Aurora says

The Alt-right is a hard-right and it will get the hard left response and a divided nation.

You are mixing up the chicken and the egg.

RafiMaas says

This is how a true totalitarian, facist, rightists thinks.

Quality mind reading.

Question: do the psychic powers of the left work on everyone or just those you politically oppose?

Tim Aurora says

It is what is happening and it is pretty evident from the title of this thread.

Yup. The D's are going full blown Marxist, particularly the progressives.Tim Aurora says

Again, you can argue that Trump is not racist and bigot

Unless you can read minds, you are simply projecting.Tim Aurora says

I and other progressives

Ahh I see the problem here.Tim Aurora says

We are beyond reasonable arguments and have crossed into cultism.

Yup. Far left aggression is getting dangerous. Kindly knock it off. Thanks.

Tim Aurora says

So, once again, hard right will evoke a hard left response. If right wants to go more right , it will even get a more divided nation

You're like a one eyed man who can only see threats coming from the right. The alt right and regressive left are mirror images of each other. The vice versa of your statement is equally true, and though youd fully ignore it, many liberals have made the case that the extreme left is responsible for the rise of the extreme right. It certainly looks that way worldwide.

Tim Aurora says

maybe even physically get divided. Brace it because that is where it is leading.

Lol, you think soy boys can engage in violence against actual men? Please dont, for your own teams sake.

RafiMaas says

Actually Hitler was totalitarian, a fascist a Rightists.

Yes he was a Totalitarian! But you’re getting fascism and communism confused here. They are both just EXCUSES for implementing Totalitarianism! They may sound different, but they end with the same result: total government control and abdication of all people’s rights. The TRUE government spectrum runs from total government control on the left(Totalitarianism) to total absence of government on the right (Anarchy). Since Anarchy is always a very temporary state, we must not consider it as a possible government model.

Tim Aurora says

t is what is happening and it is pretty evident from the title of this thread. Again, you can argue that Trump is not racist and bigot and I will not be convinced and after trying so hard I and other progressives have not been able to convince you and other conservatives. We are beyond reasonable arguments and have crossed into cultism. It reeks of a divided nation.

So, once again, hard right will evoke a hard left response. If right wants to go more right , it will even get a more divided nation, maybe even physically get divided. Brace it because that is where it is leading.

The left has veered so far off that even the farthest alt-right can't compete with them. Pretty much every discussion about a specific policy topic - nothing to do with race or creed - ends abruptly with the leftoid calling his debating opponent a Nazi. Here's who's responsible for the divide. I have seen countless discussions like these. How can anybody with a working logical brain equate someone who is opposed to illegal immigration with people who actively went to world-war with multiple countries, worked and gassed people to death in concentration camps and had no working republic/democracy during that time whatsoever? Until the left can come back the table and talk about the issue instead about their asinine projections the rift will not end but only become bigger.

Tim Aurora says

Middle of the road conservatives such as McCain

LOL

RafiMaas says

once again, what does killing 6 million Jews and believing that there is 1 super race have to do with socialism? The rights persecution of Muslisms is more akin to the Nazis extermination of Jews.

You're mistaking a symptom for the disease. People who have AIDS often die of Pneumonia. Does that mean AIDS wasn't the problem?

The same with Socialism. Socialism creates the environment for STRONG centralized power which can lead to things like Genocide, just look at the history of the 20th century which is replete with examples of totalitarian governments that went usurpatious, but often started off with "good socialist intentions".

Tim Aurora says

I can give you many examples of anti-gay , naziism and white supremacy but you will always spin around.

What is being spun? The quotes about the NAZI party being socialist were directly out of Hitler's own mouth and his own policies.

CBOEtrader says

Yeah i really dont care if Nazis were about killing the wrong races, whereas Marxists were about killing the wrong thinkers. The difference between these two is further blurred if you read Mein Kampf. Hitler very clearly expressed that Jews were genetically inclined to wrongthink, and thereby their genetic line (the wrongthink) should be eliminted.

The autonomous individual citizen, and God given rights associated w this celebration of individualism is THE SINGLE crowing achievement of western culture. Fascism and Marxism fail for exactly the same reasons. More important, the solution to both is libertarianism. Individual rights > collective identity politics.

Obviously someone who is actually well read on history.

Seriously, there are very few "hard" lines that make totalitarian governments distinct from each other (I actually can't think of more than 1 or 2 which are trivial anyway).

The strong theme is strong centralized power based around collectivism. This has become a hallmark of the left, not just the "far left", but the entire left. It is extremely dangerous.

CBOEtrader says

Assuming the left can read minds. Thus those who in no way behave or suggest they are racist are indeed dog whistle Nazis. The fact that these Nazis have been suppressed to dog whistling should prove to you the righteous extreme left is far more dangerous today.

#KillAllMen
#DieCisScum

I don't know if it was Kemala Harris of somebody else saying yesterday:
"If you aren't a white male right now, you should be scared."

Kind of like Hitler saying "The Jews are getting close to ultimate power. Beware, Good Catholics!"

Jeff Flake is a neoliberal, not a conservative. His goals are Total Free Trade and Wide Open Borders, he ran the fake opposition in the days when there was no choice. He ran the Gang of Eight which was the Republic Wide Open Borders pressure group in the Senate.

Thanks to Trump, now we can vote on real serious issues, not just Gay Marriage. We have a choice. Not just Free Trade and Open Borders, with or withour Gay Civil Unions.

The powers that be did not want this choice, it wanted to keep things on Identity politics while they implement and cement their favored multinational corporate policies.

Tim Aurora says

He is a fascist, a racist and will align to whatever side allows him to be a real narcissist

How is he racists and a fascists? Can you make a case for either of those?

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Ocasio-Cortez is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America and a former organizer for Bernie Sanders.

Just look at her platform, she makes Bernie look like a lightweight:

Tim Aurora says

Trump is not a conservative. He is a fascist, a racist

Please don’t just spout Leftist talking points, boundless accusations without proof or definition. You’ll need to prove that if you want anyone to take your seriously. Especially since the factual evidence directly contradicts your statements! Racist? Trump was winning awards from the NAACP before he ran for President and suddenly got labeled a racist. He isn’t a true conservative this is true. Which should be a good thing for those on the Left, but the Left has grown SO CONSERVATIVE that they can’t stand anyone who is actually liberal in political stance! It’s the worst sort of irony. Finally, a POTUS like Trump is responsive to popular will. If you protest and actually have a point (like on the immigrant families issue last week), he will go ahead and change policy as requested. That’s amazing considering the last FOUR Presidents have shown nothing but smug condescension to people who neither voted for them nor contributed to their campaigns. Now we have a responsive POTUS who is liberal and respects democratic ideals, and you call him a fascist? It is to laugh! Check your twisted thinking, sister!

Sniper says

Just look at her platform, she makes Bernie look like a lightweight:

She should have just said she's running as a Genie, and will grant everyone in her district 3 wishes.

Tim Aurora says

I believe that Obama was vilified more for being a black

Please show us where Obama was criticized for being black. Just one example.

Sniper says

Just look at her platform

Goran_K says

She should have just said she's running as a Genie, and will grant everyone in her district 3 wishes.

Yeah her platform is a total bait and switch. Almost nothing on her list is possible within the next 20 years. She's the make-a-wish candidate.

She was being interviewed on NPR the other day and sounded like a total retard, feel the bern left.

Lol she wants $15/hour guaranteed jobs for everyone, along w paid maternity leave, free healthcare, free housing, free university, an open boarder AND legalized drugs?

This is the "How to ruin the US as quickly as possible" recipe.

RC2006 says

She was being interviewed on NPR the other day and sounded like a total retard, feel the bern left.

Because this is what she is.

CBOEtrader says

Lol she wants $15/hour guaranteed jobs for everyone, along w paid maternity leave, free healthcare, free housing, free university, an open boarder AND legalized drugs?

This is the "How to ruin the US as quickly as possible" recipe.

Why do you hate FREE SHIT??!

There should be a new rule that to run for political office you should have taken a basic Micro and Macro Econ course (college level), and got at least an A- or better. Not understanding the concept of scarcity is unforgivable for someone running for political office.

Not understanding the concept of scarcity is unforgivable for someone running for political office.

I would add this should apply to anyone who votes, let alone run for office.

I wonder if Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez winning this primary is the start of a trend. That is, if one is a white Democrat, especially a male white Democrat, one's chance of being nominated and elected will be to much of an uphill battle. If so, it looks like all that identity politics may have come home to roost.

HeadSet says

I wonder if Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez winning this primary is the start of a trend. That is, if one is a white Democrat, especially a male white Democrat, one's chance of being nominated and elected will be to much of an uphill battle. If so, it looks like all that identity politics may have come home to roost.

And in the end it will drive white dems esp. men to the republicans once they understand they need to move away from destroying their own lives.

This will only help reelect Trump. The progressives are so blinded by their rage.

The further the progressives move left, the further the moderates move right.

I thought politicians were supposed to be good at putting their finger in the air and seeing which way the wind is blowing?

Tim Aurora says

The Alt-right is a hard-right and it will get the hard left response and a divided nation. You can make convenient arguments to yourselves and even to me but a divided nation awaits you.

The alt-right is invective thrown against anyone who does not agree with the leftist agenda. There is no compromise with social justice warriors.

Tim Aurora says

Born in Kenya need the birth certificate,

How is this racist? Got a more blatant example of Trump's racism?

Tim Aurora says

Please show us where Obama was criticized for being black. Just one example.

Born in Kenya need the birth certificate, spewed by the current President

Why would his literary agent write: "Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation. He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago’s South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White."

Regardless, idgaf to discuss birther nonsense. It is pure brainwashing to think that questioning Obama's never publicly revealed birth certificate is racist. This is confirmation bias at the most extreme. CNN tells you Trump is racist 1000 times a day, then paint every situation as if hes some KKK member who loves David Duke... remember how DD was in the news weekly during election cycle?

This Trump is racist nonsense is the result of billions in propaganda and soft tribalized minds.

Good guys vs bad guys is a childishly low functioning model of the world. It's sad that most people operate at this level. The right is equally as prone to this brainwashing. Just so happens that the our current crop of extreme leftists are far more righteously blind that today's extreme right.

As you've already stated, this will continue to divide our country unless your team wakes up and stop righteously oppressing wrongthinkers.

The first step is have a minimum level of empathy. Rather than pretend someone is a dog whistle nazi, maybe try listening and relating to them

Tim Aurora says

The problem is that when the progressive give proof , the right dismisses them

So now we have to beg for this mythical proof? Don’t be coy. I know you have a lot of shilling to do today, but please humor this board with at least one of these solid proofs of racism! Oh and please don’t bring up the 45 year old stuff about Trump’s daddy being sued for housing discrimination. Anything that happened that long ago is just irrelevant.

Tim Aurora says

Trump lies ( i can provide you a list with 2K+)

Do you mean the interactive graphic created by washpo? https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?utm_term=.0a11c2edd385

These claims are hilariously dubious. The most prevalent Trump "lie" told 97 times by our great leader: "“We're having a stock market like just about they've never had before. Ever before. We've picked up... Piers, we've picked up $8 trillion in value during the course of 12 months...” Um... LOLZ, the left has completely lost their collective minds.

Pick out a few of your favorites and share with the group. I'm reading this for fun now :) OMG the propagandized mind is bizarre place

CBOEtrader says

This Trump is racist nonsense is the result of billions in propaganda and soft tribalized minds.

Good guys vs bad guys is a childishly low functioning model of the world. It's sad that most people operate at this level. The right is equally as prone to this brainwashing. Just so happens that the our current crop of extreme leftists are far more righteously blind that today's extreme right.

As you've already stated, this will continue to divide our country unless your team wakes up and stop righteously oppressing wrongthinkers.

What is really sad about all this is that friendships break apart due to that nonsense and people become isolated. Sure, they may think they have a bigger tribe now they belong to, be it some white supremacy group or - much more likely - some SJW/progressive group of people who pretend to be friends but will rat you out and hang out to dry at the first sign of disobedience or internal chaos. The lamestream media and the left is to blame for this. There have always been small pockets of KKKlansmen but they never really mattered. The SJW/regressive Nazis/Antifas on the left though have grown to a substantial crowd, now chipping away at the mainland and middlefield Democrats while cannibalizing each other occasionally. The result is lonely and angry people who lost all their pride for the nation/culture they belong to and just hate themselves out of forced collective guilt. Sad.