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Well, we need to distinguish religious intolerance from civic intolerance. One can be civic tolerant yet religious intolerant: that's what we see in the west; this situation also tells us that religious intolerance does not entail civic intolerance (like terrorism, modern crusades, beheadings during the reformation era, etc).

For more, check
http://www.hipkapi.com/2011/03/03/religious-intolerance-vs-civic-intolerance/
http://www.hipkapi.com/2011/04/14/religious-intolerance-and-terrorism/

If there was such thing as conservatism scale, I would rank right wing american christian conservatives at 6.5 and muslims at 9.5 (on a scale of 1 to 10).

dublin hillz says

If there was such thing as conservatism scale, I would rank right wing american christian conservatives at 6.5 and muslims at 9.5 (on a scale of 1 to 10).

6.5 and 9.5 being the number of feet they make their women walk behind them? :)

raindoctor says

Well, we need to distinguish religious intolerance from civic intolerance

I think religion can be political, cultural or spiritual. Using any of these metrics, American conservatives and Muslims have more overlap in a Venn diagram than Muslims and liberals, right?

CL says

Do you think Islam today is conservative or liberal?

Islam is clearly right-wing conservatism. The more "radical" or "fundamentalist", the more right-wing it is. Just think about what the Christian right and the Islamic right have in common...

1. They hate the separation of church and state.

2. They think their religion is the absolute truth and every other religion is heresy.

3. They hate homosexuals.

4. They hate Jews. (The Christian right only wants Israel to exist so that the Jews can be used as cannon fodder to bring the rapture and the return of Jesus sooner.)

5. They hate science.

6. They don't like liberated women.

7. They have immense sexual hangups about pre-marital sex, but they can't seem to succeed at monogamy either.

8. They love guns and preach the most hateful parts of their religion, ignoring all the parts that promote pacifism, which they consider a dirty word.

9. They have no problem with assassination of political opponents. They think by killing a man, they can kill an idea.

10. They do all their evil in the name of god, morality, and family values.

11. They are willing do wage endless wars for their tribe, but are unwilling to volunteer at a homeless shelter to help their less fortunate neighbors.

12. They look down on rationality, reasoning, objectivity, and intellectualism.

13. They glorify violence sacrifices.

14. God is always on their side and the other side is always evil.

15. They motherfucking hate atheists.

Dan8267 says

Islam is clearly right-wing conservatism.

You'd think they'd embrace them more, if only for electoral viability!

On a value scale for humanity of 1-10, 10 being highest value. Religion & conservatism tie at -4.

CL says

Dan8267 says

Islam is clearly right-wing conservatism.

You'd think they'd embrace them more, if only for electoral viability!

It would make about as much sense as Republicans' current strategy to court the Latin vote by emphasizing adherence to Papal bulls***. Apparently, that isn't going over well with Republican nativists and border vigilantes, and it isn't working anywhere else either. That leaves Republicans with the Jindal strategy, i.e. don't change anything but also don't say anything.

Dan8267 says

Islam is clearly right-wing conservatism. The more "radical" or "fundamentalist", the more right-wing it is. Just think about what the Christian right and the Islamic right have in common...

Gosh... you certainly dont want you left wing struggles ... wars of national liberation to be tainted by those radical Soviets aided Marxist Muslims during the last 60 years of the 20th Century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_socialism

HEY YOU says

On a value scale for humanity of 1-10, 10 being highest value. Religion & conservatism tie at -4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes#List_of_claims_linking_communism_and_mass_killings

According to Rudolph Joseph Rummel, the killings done by communist regimes can be explained with the marriage between absolute power and an absolutist ideology – Marxism.[25]

"Of all religions, secular and otherwise," Rummel positions Marxism as "by far the bloodiest – bloodier than the Catholic Inquisition, the various Catholic crusades, and the Thirty Years War between Catholics and Protestants. In practice, Marxism has meant bloody terrorism, deadly purges, lethal prison camps and murderous forced labor, fatal deportations, man-made famines, extrajudicial executions and fraudulent show trials, outright mass murder and genocide."[26] He writes that in practice the Marxists saw the construction of their utopia as "a war on poverty, exploitation, imperialism and inequality – and, as in a real war, noncombatants would unfortunately get caught in the battle. There would be necessary enemy casualties: the clergy, bourgeoisie, capitalists, 'wreckers', intellectuals, counterrevolutionaries, rightists, tyrants, the rich and landlords. As in a war, millions might die, but these deaths would be justified by the end, as in the defeat of Hitler in World War II. To the ruling Marxists, the goal of a communist utopia was enough to justify all the deaths."

Thomas, do you write your comments on Wikipedia so you can copy and paste them here? Do you think that fools anyone other than you into imagining Wikipedia to be a source? I can't imagine where that would work, even schoolchildren know they can write anything into Wikipedia so they would not be fooled by it.

Once again, Wikipedia proves its usefulness as a moron identifier.

Dan8267 says

Once again, Wikipedia proves its usefulness as a moron identifier.

LOL that gave me an idea that could probably be automated in a script. Any time a User quotes & links to Wikipedia, the script would use an anonymous IP to create a Wikipedia article identifying that User as a moron, and adding the article to a Wikipedia Category: morons. Then post a PatNet comment quoting and linking back to the new Wikipedia article, proving conclusively that the User is a moron. This might be a fun feature suggestion for PatNet.

curious2 says

I can't imagine where that would work, even schoolchildren know they can write anything into Wikipedia so they would not be fooled by it.

Not perfect but its getting there.. of course the Socialist always throw propaganda around...but in the end.. they ignore what ever source you present. Nowhere is that more evident than the Occupy Wall Street Socialists.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/g_CCvEjHYWE

http://www.youtube.com/embed/KurgemG4H5c

thomaswong.1986 says

of course the Socialist always throw propaganda around...but in the end.. they ignore what ever source you present.

You're right, socialism is pure evil. We should get rid of it starting with the by far largest socialism program in our country, the military.

Dan8267 says

You're right, socialism is pure evil. We should get rid of it starting with the by far largest socialism program in our country, the military.

I expected nothing less from you.

CL says

Do you think Islam today is conservative or liberal?

One of the brothers in the Boston bombing has this to say. His world view is Islam and his personal priorities are career and money. If that's not Republican, I don't know what it. Religion and money.

thomaswong.1986 says

Not perfect but its getting there.. of course the Socialist always throw propaganda around...but in the end.. they ignore what ever source you present. Nowhere is that more evident than the Occupy Wall Street Socialists.

So, if Islamic Radicalism is left, then where are all the Islamicists at these Occupy events?

thunderlips11 says

So, if Islamic Radicalism is left, then where are all the Islamicists at these Occupy events?

To be fair, there was at least one Islamic wedding held at OWS:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/imam-khalid-latif/a-muslim-wedding-at-occupy-wall-street_b_1096124.html#s477459&title=Occupy_Wall_Street

No Burka however.

What is troubling about that religion is that the youth is getting radicalized and is influencing adults. Based on the known facts, it appears that the older tsarnayev sought the radical influence vs being brainwashed by his own family. In general islam is a troubling phenomenon - professor of religious studies Stephen Prothero made a strong argument as to why the 21st century will belong to islam and given their birth rates I have no reason to doubt him. Also, Dostoyevski was on to something in the 1800s when he warned of "pestilence coming from asia." One effective defense/resistance may be marginalizing anything that resembles revenge/violence coming from that religion even if it's in less than extremist forms and not letting them have a seat at the table if they don't drop the paranoid grudge that a world is out to get them and if they don't stop the conversations about "great satan" and decadent west.

Dan8267 says

One of the brothers in the Boston bombing has this to say. His world view is
Islam and his personal priorities are career and money. If that's not
Republican, I don't know what it. Religion and money.

And if one of them would have used religion to make money, he would have been a headline guest speaker at some GOP event.

How about, any time a denomination has a member who commits a terrorist crime, they have their tax-exempt status revoked. Easy, plus it'll force organized religions to police their own brands better.

Vicente says

plus it'll force organized religions to police their own brands better.

Then you could have "New and Improved Islam! Now, with less Jihad!"

upisdown says

Dan8267 says

One of the brothers in the Boston bombing has this to say. His world view is
Islam and his personal priorities are career and money. If that's not
Republican, I don't know what it. Religion and money.

And if one of them would have used religion to make money, he would have been a headline guest speaker at some GOP event.

muslims do plenty of financing via religion and they do it at a worldwide level

dublin hillz says

muslims do plenty of financing via religion and they do it at a worldwide level

One thing I find interesting about Islam, they don't finance anything. Mosque being built down the street from where I lived, took forever and got built in stages. Because they only paid for it as they had money to do each phase.

You'd think this would appeal to the allegedly "fiscal conservative" live-within-your-means-peasants GOP. Yet it actually doesn't.

Islam and conservatism aren't comparable. There are conservative and liberal Muslims.

The super far right crazy shit that Muslim extremists do is what the ultra conservative Christians would do if they weren't being held in check by liberals.

There are quite a few extreme and evil individuals out there. Lets just call evil what is. They should be eliminated like the rapid dogs they are.

Vicente says

One thing I find interesting about Islam, they don't finance anything.

You mean the "Petro States" since the 70s were NOT buying US Govt Bonds or
any other sovereign bonds.. and of course they were NOT investing into tech and non-tech
start ups ? where else have they putting their excess cash ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Waleed_bin_Talal

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204791104577107733831343976.html

Twitter's Fit for a Prince -- Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bets $300 Million on Social Media

Kevin says

The super far right crazy shit that Muslim extremists do is what the ultra conservative Christians would do if they weren't being held in check by liberals.

since when ? 1750, 1850 or 1970? You chicken shit liberals havent been around that long.

your a product of the drug crazed numb nuts from the 60-70s.

Did anybody to a scientific study to figure out why muslims always have problems everywhere they go. anywhere i see terrorism ,its highly likely that muslims are involved. india,burma,usa,afghanistan,pakistan,africa,europe,russia. you name it.
they are last in 20th century science and technology but number 1 in terrorism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations

thomaswong.1986 says

You mean the "Petro States" since the 70s were NOT buying US Govt Bonds or

any other sovereign bonds.. and of course they were NOT investing into tech and non-tech

start ups ? where else have they putting their excess cash ?

You're talking about governments. I'm talking about Islam as an organized religion. You see any mosques borrowing money?

Vicente says

thomaswong.1986 says

You mean the "Petro States" since the 70s were NOT buying US Govt Bonds or

any other sovereign bonds.. and of course they were NOT investing into tech and non-tech

start ups ? where else have they putting their excess cash ?

You're talking about governments. I'm talking about Islam as an organized religion. You see any mosques borrowing money?

They can't "borrow" in the sense that we do in mainstream america because they are forbidden to pay/charge interest - it is considered "haram". However, they still finance project via raising money from supporters such as wealthy governments and business people.

Even in other countries where paying interest is not prohibited, you will find that people utilize spend as you go approach where financin is not readily available. For instance in Mexico, it is quite common to first purchase land and then gradually build the house on that land as you earn money for each part of the house. Oftentimes, it may take many many years to build one. It is rather inefficient to a 30 year mortgage I would say since you live in tricked out diggz that are built from day 1 and then pay it back over time.

thomaswong.1986 says

You chicken shit liberals havent been around that long.

Guess you've never heard of The Enlightenment, which isn't surprising.

I find the views that some the leftists/mentally ill on Pat.net attribute to conservatives and Christians to be hillarious. If I didn't run into people like you IRL, I'd simply write it off to trolling.

Vicente says

You're talking about governments. I'm talking about Islam as an organized religion. You see any mosques borrowing money?

I dont expect any religion borrowing money. ANY! but your comments once again were proven false..

finehoe says

Guess you've never heard of The Enlightenment, which isn't surprising.

Your not even close to it.. are you not adopting Adams Smith works on Capitalism ?

jaldi1 says

Did anybody to a scientific study to figure out why muslims always have problems everywhere they go. anywhere i see terrorism ,its highly likely that muslims are involved. india,burma,usa,afghanistan,pakistan,africa,europe,russia. you name it.

they are last in 20th century science and technology but number 1 in terrorism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations

Funny how Christianity and Islam are sons of Judaism but Christianity and Islam hate their father. All three are useless and need to go away from sane society.

Moderate Infidel says

jaldi1 says

Did anybody to a scientific study to figure out why muslims always have problems everywhere they go. anywhere i see terrorism ,its highly likely that muslims are involved. india,burma,usa,afghanistan,pakistan,africa,europe,russia. you name it.

they are last in 20th century science and technology but number 1 in terrorism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations

Funny how Christianity and Islam are sons of Judaism but Christianity and Islam hate their father. All three are useless and need to go away from sane society.

Lol! Now that's a troll!