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marcus says

One might conclude that you're lacking certain charms or skills.

How many people "charmed" their way into an expensive divorce?

Peter P says

marcus says

One might conclude that you're lacking certain charms or skills.

How many people "charmed" their way into an expensive divorce?

Thanks, for me it was that I got tired of this Alanis Morrisette psycho attitudes, so it's long before the settling down-to-marriage-to-divorce bit.

marcus says

"There are strings attached."

Let me get this straight. A middle aged female alcoholic, seduces a 22 year old recent college graduate, because she want's something in return? I don't think so. She just wants a little spice in her life, and to get laid by a horny young kid.

Actually, she wanted it to be discreet because she doesn't want her friends and relatives gossiping about it. There's something called, keeping appearances in our society. Hoffman threw that condition out the window.

marcus says

Again, just a movie. And it was racy for the time, which is why boomers remember it fondly.

I'd asked the racy question to the 50/60-somethings and their responses were, sure, it was racy but more importantly, it lashed out against the conformity of the parents' lifestyles, which was the whole point of the 60s vs the 50s of Happy Days, when ppl did what they were told by society.

The Warren Beatty character in Shampoo was a much better character to aspire to be.

Peter P says

In real life, all we want is drama-free pleasure.

Obviously, you did not date girls in high school or college.

The only thing good about The Graduate was the Simon and Garfunkel music.

Dan8267 says

The only thing good about The Graduate was the Simon and Garfunkel music.

I thought that swinging the cross at the parents and using it to fasten the doors of the church was a funny moment, esp when Wayne's World did it again but with an electric guitar.

Dan8267 says

Simon and Garfunkel music

Actually, I'd thought 'Sounds of Silence' was a much more profound song, without seeing Dustin Hoffman around.

Rin says

Actually, I'd thought 'Sounds of Silence' was a much more profound song, without seeing Dustin Hoffman around.

Valid point.

How about an 88 year old Mrs. Robinson seducing a 65 year old Dustin Hoffman.

I think it's time for a sequel. The Montreal hookers can help her out of her wheelchair and show Dustin where the viagra is and where to point his pud.

Dan8267 says

Peter P says

In real life, all we want is drama-free pleasure.

Obviously, you did not date girls in high school or college.

Just not drama queens.

Ceffer says

How about an 88 year old Mrs. Robinson seducing a 65 year old Dustin Hoffman.

I think it's time for a sequel. The Montreal hookers can help her out of her wheelchair and show Dustin where the viagra is and where to point his pud.

That would be "Cocoon 3: Being Re-boned"

Dusty & Anne stumble into a pool of super-charged water. Their libidos are awoken but can't have a good body slide because Americans practice age discrimination. But then, they discover Mademoiselle Gisele's body slide practice up in Quebec. They make the long journey, battling snowstorms, stupid state troopers, and idiot gas station attendants. In the end, they are slipping and sliding between Gisele's bazonkas while grinding against her tight *ss.

Soon, they use up the life force energy of that pool and are forced to get a 2nd mortgage to help pay for stem cell treatments in Japan, because once again, everything is illegal in America. In the end, you see our heroes in Tokyo, in a hot tub with Geisha gals, Yoko & Noriko. They let the bank foreclosure on the property in the US. Now that's a happy ending.

Ceffer says

How about an 88 year old Mrs. Robinson seducing a 65 year old Dustin Hoffman.

UGH!

Its like Harold and Maude but ickier.

Honestly, am I the only person around here who seriously enjoys bo*nking hoes?

Rin, what do you expect people to say?

Peter P says

Rin, what do you expect people to say?

That life is wonderful. Everyone falls in love and lives happily ever after.

And that those who reject this paradigm are a bunch of angry misfits, who should be whipped, straightened out, and forced back into a dating game, where ppl get married, experience a 50+% divorce rate, or perhaps, stay together in a loveless association, where ppl remain together for the sake of the kids or are too afraid of being alone in their old age.

Something like that.

Rin says

Peter P says

Rin, what do you expect people to say?

That life is wonderful. Everyone falls in love and lives happily ever after.

And that those who reject this paradigm are a bunch of angry misfits, who should be whipped

OK, now you can go to Montreal.

Rin says

Soon, they use up the life force energy of that pool and are forced to get a 2nd mortgage to help pay for stem cell treatments in Japan, because once again, everything is illegal in America. In the end, you see our heroes in Tokyo, in a hot tub with Geisha gals, Yoko & Noriko. They let the bank foreclosure on the property in the US. Now that's a happy ending.

I like it. When is it "in the can", or i guess nowadays "on the chip?" Just don't cast Betty White for Mrs. Robinson unless she agrees to the naked beaver scene without using a double.

Oh, and don't forget my screen credit.

Rin says

Honestly, am I the only person around here who seriously enjoys bo*nking hoes?

You're just the only one who joyously proclaims the phenom. You're the "Happy John" as opposed to the "Happy Hooker."

If you ever get married, you will "clam up" so to speak.

Ceffer says

you will "clam up" so to speak

Happy as a clam?

Rin says

Honestly, am I the only person around here who seriously enjoys bo*nking hoes?

IF - I were single, and IF I had as much money as you evidently do. Then yeah, I'd probably be bo*nking hoes too. But since those two 'IF's' aren't where I am; I do not (nor do I see myself in the future) bo*nk hoes.

Rin says

Honestly, am I the only person around here who seriously enjoys bo*nking hoes?

I know it is a surprise to someone with your unlimited self absorbtion, but really truly no one else cares.

Who would you rather have disarming a nuclear bomb that was about to detonate in the next 30 minutes..

The cast of "The Graduate" or the cast of "The Hang Over"?

CaptainShuddup says

Who would you rather have disarming a nuclear bomb that was about to detonate in the next 30 minutes..

The cast of "The Graduate" or the cast of "The Hang Over"?

Would make no difference, either way you're screwed.

bob2356 says

I know it is a surprise to someone with your unlimited self absorbtion, but really truly no one else cares.

Not really bob - I find Rin to be an interesting fellow in his own way.

mmmarvel says

I find Rin to be an interesting fellow in his own way

Ceffer says

You're just the only one who joyously proclaims the phenom. You're the "Happy John" as opposed to the "Happy Hooker."

I think the difficulty here is in sharing the vision. For instance, over time, I've determined what I like ... classic rock, exercise/martial arts, creative projects, bo*nking.

What's happened is that relationships and love have kinda lost their allure from being a teenager or a young adult.

So let's say I'm listening to Ritchie Blackmore going completely nuts on a guitar solo, as below

http://www.youtube.com/embed/gLyqdzu-F4k

So what happens is that I don't find myself thinking about what it's like to be in love or perhaps, even what it's like to be doing the bills with the Mrs, when I'm enjoying classic rock.

Instead, I feel like fondling a woman's *ss, suckling on her nipples, and boning her to completion. And then, the picture is clear, I'd just enjoyed an amazing solo with a great bo*nk.

Well, when I started doing the above, using esc*rts and my MP3 player w/ speakers, I was actually rather satisfied. In addition, the esc*rt would pretend to be enjoying the songs as well. So it's not like I would have to play Celine Dion for them or some other diva, which most women like to listen to.

Whether one likes it or not, accomplished people tend to be self absorbed.

Rin is eminently practical. In a small village, he would be in trouble.

Sex is a destructive, relentless demon for a lot of men, and if the Montreal Bonkers keep Rin sublimated and the genie in the bottle, then he has found a good solution. As long he can continue to acquire resources and live a creative, accomplished life, more power to him.

Me, I am one of those strange people who has never seen a hooker up close and been faithful forever in marriage. Not because I am good, moral or pure, I am just one of those monogamous, boring beings that can't do anything else. I was always like that, it's just my biology.

Ceffer says

Me, I am one of those strange people who has never seen a hooker up close and been faithful forever in marriage.

Ceffer, I like you, but any man who advertises his fidelity on a public forum means only one thing... his wife monitors the comments. ;-)

Peter P says

Ceffer says

Me, I am one of those strange people who has never seen a hooker up close and been faithful forever in marriage.

Ceffer, I like you, but any man who advertises his fidelity on a public forum means only one thing... his wife monitors the comments. ;-)

Ha, Ha, or, truth is stranger than fiction!

If she knew of my participation here, I would be roller pinned from one end of the house to the other. I am ripe for blackmail.

I have managed to keep her entertained for a long time without her ever being able to figure me out except I am a handy male to have around once in a while.

most people don't actively seek an early death via aids.
hoes fuck everyone under the sun.
do the math.

Rin says

Honestly, am I the only person around here who seriously enjoys bo*nking hoes?

who is this person?
get back to your normal self!

Ceffer says

Me, I am one of those strange people who has never seen a hooker up close and been faithful forever in marriage. Not because I am good, moral or pure, I am just one of those monogamous, boring beings that can't do anything else. I was always like that, it's just my biology

Ceffer says

I am just one of those monogamous, boring beings that can't do anything else. I was always like that, it's just my biology.

Me too, but my reason is more practical than that. My thought is that if I am at a point our relationship, where I fell like I need to start tapping and hitting something else. Then what I've got at home is over. I'm just not one, that is mentally capable of going through the motions of something, I'm not committed to.

That's not to say, I don't secretly wish Women would throw them selves at me, during an opportune moment. Or I wouldn't hit something else if the opportunity arose, and it was some random stranger I wouldn't ever see again.

But the chances of that happening is slim, when you're not out actively seeking random romps. For that I would have to hang out at bars, and other places where women are trying to be picked up. These things don't happen during random drives to the grocery store and other errands.
Well they do, but you might end up in Jail and an embarrassing picture on Mugshots.com. Which along with many other reasons, is why I don't pick up Ho's.

I suppose I'm conveniently monogamous.

If I felt like I had to actively seek out another female and then sneak around and lie, then I would just end it.

Rin says

Well, when I started doing the above, using esc*rts and my MP3 player w/ speakers, I was actually rather satisfied. In addition, the esc*rt would pretend to be enjoying the songs as well.

Now it time to really push the envelope:

This:

Plus this:

And this:

(set to the programming of your choice)

Enjoy!

Rin,

You sort of asked for an opinion, so here it is. It's a little long (sorry), but from the heart.

I don't judge you for what you do. I understand 100%. The fact is we all "pay" to be in a relationship -- one way or the other. I love my husband; he loves me; we have two children.

But I would be lying if I said that one of the things that attracted me to him wasn't the fact that he could provide for his family. Though I have a couple of master's degrees and worked from age 16 till age 37, it meant a lot to me to be able to stay at home with my kids and be a truly active participant in their lives.

Not being particularly stupid, I knew I felt this way --- and that means I need someone who sees the value in providing for a stay-at-home mom and a couple of kids. A starving artist, or someone like you who has no interest, no matter his other qualities, just wouldn't have fit the bill.

Though I knew that I wanted a family-centered life, it wasn't exactly easy to give up my independence and ability to self-support. I literally put my life into the hands of another person. No matter my qualifications, I cannot undo the fact that I've been out of the workforce for six years. Recapturing my career as I left it -- on short notice -- would be very difficult, if not impossible. My life is in his hands.

So, what's in it for him? He has a family to come home to; kids who adore him; a wife he can download his day to; a wife who sat up all night for four years working with her husband's lawyers in preparation for a trial against a hospital (we won); a wife who gladly takes his two children from his first marriage and treats them as her own; a wife who runs interference when her husband engages in email wars with his ex; a wife who washes his clothes, cleans his house, cooks his meals, and dedicates herself to his kids.

The reason I have time to support him to such a degree is because I DON'T have a job pulling me away from my family. My job is to be there, period, whatever that might mean.

Are we having sex three times a day like we did when we first started dating? No. But part of what drives a person to physically need the other person is the fear of losing that person. As you're with the person for many years, that fear goes away. It's a good thing when a relationship matures to the point that you have trust. With that trust comes familiarity. And yes, that means that you are no longer feeling, "I'm just gunna die if I cannot be with you every second of the day." But in exchange for that, you have comfort, a person you can count on.

I think a lot of people disregard the value of a mature relationship. So many think that when they aren't feeling fireworks at all times they are falling out of love. But that is the same thinking that a junkie has when he's chasing that first high. Chasing that first-kiss high through serial relationships guarantees lots of fireworks in your life, but it reduces the chances that you will ever have a real partner -- someone who will be there for you no matter what.

I know you don't think that you will ever need that kind of support from a life partner, and perhaps you won't. You're around 30, right? I'm 43, so we're not exactly a million years apart. Let me tell you... Life is long. Lots can happen. You might think you have an ironclad plan, but that's the funny thing about life. Things change.

Earlier, I said that I worked on a court case for my husband. Perhaps a few details will help to illustrate what I mean. My husband is a doctor. He had a successful practice. The local hospital wanted my husband's practice. When he wouldn't agree to become an employee of the hospital, they decided they had concerns about him as a clinician and suspended his privileges. In short, the hospital decided to take his practice by force, using a mechanism that's designed to allow hospitals to get rid of dangerous personnel without putting themselves at a malpractice risk. The process is called "peer review." All of the notes are federally protected as privileged (not even the offending physician can see them), there is NO due process (so the hospital doesn't have to prove anything), the hospital's ruling is final, and the doctor becomes "databanked" as a result, meaning that this distinction will follow him/her around FOREVER. Since the hospital had no actual reason, what they really wanted was for my husband to resign so the new doctor they hired (when my husband refused to be employed by them) could take over the patients from an already profitable practice. The hospital wanted my husband's resignation, period. If he agreed they would remove the suspension from his record and wouldn't databank him.

I came home that day to find my tear-streaked husband sitting in the middle of the living room just staring off into space. Talk about the rug being jerked out from under him. To have had this happen when he had a spotless malpractice record was very difficult to swallow.

Now, here's where the beauty of a partnership comes in. He was devastated, but I was pissed and fully in fight mode. I found a fantastic lawyer over the weekend. Based on something that my husband told me about what the hospital said, I had a feeling that they had broken into our electronic record system. Now, I'm not tech savvy like most of you here... But I figured it out. And I found exactly what I suspected. They were breaking into our system, presumably looking for anything they could use against my husband.

We decided to resign and live to fight another day. My husband found another job, we moved our family into a two bedroom apartment, I took a job in an accounting firm, and we took on the hospital. They, like many corporations, thought they could make this so expensive for us that we'd run out of money to fight. They didn't know me at all. We gave up everything in order to fight them. My income paid my husband's child support to his ex wife... We lived on a shoestring budget... and the rest went to support what amounted to $460,000 in legal bills over four years. At the end of the day, the hospital was found to have engaged in unfair business practices, to have used a "sham" peer review, and to have broken into our computers.

I hope that nothing bad ever happens to you, but chances are something will at sometime. You just cannot underestimate the number of assholes in this world. Do you really think your hookers will be there for you? Perhaps, the memories will be enough to sustain you through tough times, because that is what you will have.

I stuck by my husband when it looked like our lives were ruined. I stuck by him because I love him. I stuck by him because at his time of weakness, my fierce loyalty to my family made me strong. I stuck by him because when they attacked my husband's livelihood, they attacked mine.

So, my husband pays for it just like you do. I just think he's getting more for his money. Did it come at the cost of him coming home daily to find me cleaning in my lingerie? You got me there. But, I still have my surprises.

Turtledove, your husband is a real lucky guy.

Peter P says

Turtledove, your husband is a real lucky guy.

Ditto

turtledove says

But I would be lying if I said that one of the things that attracted me to him wasn't the fact that he could provide for his family. Though I have a couple of master's degrees and worked from age 16 till age 37, it meant a lot to me to be able to stay at home with my kids and be a truly active participant in their lives.

American women are unbelievably spoiled and this is all going to come to a disasterous end very soon.

Several graduate degrees?

and when your fun at graduate school is over, it's time to have kids! as soon as America is forced to tighten it's belt all thuis ridiculous waste being pushed by feminists will have to be eliminated. We cannot pay for all these teachers and facliites for people who simply believe they have the right to give it all up to suddenly become 'real women'. I would guess they either need to stop giving women all these subsidies and 'scholarships'- I suppose if you continue to loan them money for school they never use this technically isnt a liability for the rest of us, but it will be for her future family. Some men will put up with it, but ultimately they are the ones who have to pay.

America, and the West in general can no longer afford Feminism.

turtledove says

Are we having sex three times a day like we did when we first started dating? No. But part of what drives a person to physically need the other person is the fear of losing that person.

this incredibly long response is basically due to one thing- she, like most women in her category know that she is mostly useless to her husband. She's a complaint factory, a ball of needs with nothing to offer. She gave her best years to some retarded graduate program, then realized she couldnt actually function without a family and somehow convinced a man to support the whole thing. This option is increasingly unavaible to women- actually there are many 20 somethings who wander around wondering- WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE MEN? of course theyre not going to admit this as this is like putting a label on your head that says 'undesirable' but it's a fact.

I personally have no interest in marriage at all. I cant see any good reason to hitch myself to some creature who is weaker both mentally, physically, and psychologically who squandered her only wealth- her youth, on utter stupidity and will only have children if it means she can be permanently supported by me. THERE IS NO POINT IN IT.

its a completely different world were living in and Boomers are seriously out of touch with it.

Rin generally has the right idea- a psychologically healthy male would respond to this environment with opportunism if not cynicism.

Notice it's always the ladies who are talking about all the 'emotional support'. Personally I've never met a modern American woman who does anything but complain and introduce more problems to a relationship where without her, the man would be generally free and probably debt free. Marriage has changed DRASTICALLY. The last 20 years we have seen nothing but the progress of feminist ideas who underpin just about every aspect of life with blaming men for every problem on earth. FACT: Women dismantled all traditional roles and expect men to continue their side of the deal- so what they currently have are men who are mostly confused- they dont know what is the best thing to do and are generally bewildered, and those who are a bit smarter who are cynical and opportunistic(Rin).

What does Turtledove say in her post. Not only are marriages great for the 'company' - and keep in mind she didnt decide to make this commitment until later when she was far less attractive- after she had her stint in grad school, but Turtledove was the one who actually *saved her husband's career* while he sat crying on the couch. He had nothing to do with this. It was all her.

Turtledove youre a standard American women who has no clue.

The Original Bankster says

America, and the West in general can no longer afford Feminism.

The right kind of feminism will drive us forward. It will be one that supports independent thinking and empowerment, not one that chases equality. Sexes, or any kind of dichotomies, can never be equal. However, a diversity of opinions and ideas will make our lives better.